Russell Greer vs. Viatron Corporation, A-26-937678-C

[RodgerDodger]

What a name, is she a zoo?

I think its Klingon? Qa'Plagh!

 

[TurboNAS]

He actually thinks calling something a severance package and no-showing on the day you're told to be back in the office is not effectively just quitting without notice.

Bizarrely they didn’t send me a check for a quarter million dollars (to cover taxes) and I was ready to go back to work eventually though I didn’t tell anyone until I started legal threats. It’s excusable neglect! It was a publicity stunt! I’m a shock jock! There will be blood!

The arbitrator is going to have a blast with this one.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

How the fuck did they maneuver Greer into agreeing to arbitration on this one? Is his certainty that being able to explaaaaaaain is going to carry the day that really fucking strong? Did they tell him if they go to arbitration Hardin won't be involved?

 

[RodgerDodger]

Does this eliminate or even reduce the chances that Greer will be referred for criminal charges after the arbitration is settled? Because if the answer to this question is "yes", that may explain why Greer took such a retarded deal.

I suspect a lot of that depends on Greer's actions. If he does something immensly stupid, like actually file his bullshit complaints with OSHA or the EEOC Viatron will almost certainly respond by dropping it all on an AG's desk. The Nevada AG may recognise the name. Because technically Greer is supposed to be serving him alongside the Nevada Sec State regarding Greer v Aguilar.

The notion that arbitrators rule in favor of corporations when compared to state and federal judges is something that sounds true and is widely believed, but I have personally not seen borne out in reality. Arbitrators are generally retired federal or state judges who had good reputations at retirement. They decide cases using the same substantive law and likely have the same philosophy that they did on the bench.

Arbitration is generally seen as preferable by companies because the process is way more streamlined. If you are a company that has repeatedly paid out $50k nuisance settlements to avoid spending $250k "winning" a case in federal court, cutting out many of the procedural steps seems highly appealing. Arbitration allows for trying cases that could easily cost $250k in federal court for $100k. It's like a cross between federal court and small claims court. The judge gets a limited number of filings from each side, reviews the law and evidence, makes a decision, and everybody goes home.

In the case of Greer, Greer's only realistic path to the big payout he wants is by using the cost of litigation as leverage. He is good at this. If Greer somehow won Greer v. Moon outright, he would likely win around $10k in damages for copyright infringement (statutory damages awards are almost always near the minimum). He has been able to use the fact that he might be entitled $10k to force the defendants to spend 6 years defending. The defense cost would likely have exceed $300k if both attorneys were not under-billing. If Greer offered to settle that case for $20k, a purely self-interested defendant would jump at the opportunity, despite risking only $10k if they lose. Arbitration gives up that leverage. This decision likely caps the realistic worst case scenario at Greer winning $20k + lost wages, rather than a big payout to go away.

Somebody correct me if I am misreading this, but one of the takeaways from Sony v Cox is Statutory Damages are absolutely off the table. In fact The Statute expressly denies it. That whole Section 230 thing. Contributory Copyright Infringement is not mentioned anywhere within the Statutes. And Null rather clearly falls under the Section 230 protections.

 

[Dumbledore's Onlyfans]

I suspect a lot of that depends on Greer's actions. If he does something immensly stupid, like actually file his bullshit complaints with OSHA or the EEOC Viatron will almost certainly respond by dropping it all on an AG's desk. The Nevada AG may recognise the name. Because technically Greer is supposed to be serving him alongside the Nevada Sec State regarding Greer v Aguilar.

I was just wondering about it because I know the judge in a civil case can refer the case straight to the district attorney if they feel that there's been criminal shenanigans, and the DA is pretty much guaranteed to take it seriously. Whereas, if ViaTRON or the arbitration company refers it to the DA, there's going to at least be extra steps involved, and it may not have as much gravity as a referral by a judge (idk, this is the question).

I also don't know if part of the incentive for Greer to sign the arbitration (which on the surface seems very unfavorable to him) was a promise from ViaTRON to not pursue prosecution against him. SOMEONE would have to explain to him very carefully what he did wrong, how bad it looks, and what the potential consequences for trying to extort ViaTRON would be. Of course, any such agreement would not be binding on the arbitrator, so if it were the case (and idk that it is) Greer could have been scared into signing this very bad arbitration agreement to avoid criminal charges being filed by ViaTRON, only to have them filed by the arbitrator later.

Alternately, maybe Greer thought that agreeing to arbitration would somehow be pulling a fast one on Harding. I don't see how that would work as it doesn't really affect Harding at all, but who knows what goes on in Greer's flat Moebius-stripped mind.

 

[It's Never Leprosy]

The judge gets a limited number of filings from each side

Oh. Russ is so fucked lol. Ain't nobody gonna limit the ECF Prince.

 

[Bloodthirsty Nosenigger]

How the fuck did they maneuver Greer into agreeing to arbitration on this one? Is his certainty that being able to explaaaaaaain is going to carry the day that really fucking strong? Did they tell him if they go to arbitration Hardin won't be involved?

I think we can extrapolate from his previous behavior. Greer thought he was guaranteed the $20,000 payout, and decided to squeeze them for more.
Confidence grown out of stupidity. He still believes that, and thinks of Viatron paying all the fees as a concession to him.

If he's taking the false premise of a guaranteed pay day as granted, there's no harm in expediting and simplifying the process, especially when he desperately needs money.
A more competent plaintiff would have taken the fact that Viatron went out of their way to handle this via arbitration as a warning sign.
Not the Greetard, though.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

How the fuck did they maneuver Greer into agreeing to arbitration on this one?

I don't think they did, because he thinks he's won after the dismissal. He's probably viewing the arbitration as his beloved 'settlement conference'.

The Nevada AG may recognise the name. Because technically Greer is supposed to be serving him alongside the Nevada Sec State regarding Greer v Aguilar.

Wonderful news. Problem being,can Russell Greer, Qualified Paralegal effect service? I got tree fiddy sayin' nah.

 

[Sneed Force One]

I dream of a discovery request for Greer's LLM prompt history.
Just as SmashJT found out, its not work-product doctrine protected.

 

[Gobermental Supervisor]

I dream of a discovery request for Greer's LLM prompt history.
Just as SmashJT found out, its not work-product doctrine protected.

Knowing how the Greertard gets away with everything this would lead to a judge deciding it is protected because he is pro se.

 

[Swole McPole]

Why Greer agreed to this is anybody guess.

He doesn't have a lawyer explaining the pros and cons to him. He probably sees this as a way of fast-tracking his $200,000 to get him out of his stinking EV and into a nice shiny brothel in the desert.

As soon as he explains his plights to the arbitrators, they'll be falling over themselves to punish that stalker Hardin and make all of Russell's dreams come true.

 

[Butters scotch]

It's Saturday, the kids aren't at football because it's the Marathon.
I'm sat in the garden with a beer and the BBQ warming up and reading the adventures of "Prime example to legalise post-birth abortion".

I'm sad that the adventures of Hardin are being cut short, but I'm excited for Greer getting rinsed and ending up uber-homeless.

 

[lol cow supreme]

at MOST a token 'fuck off' amount of a couple thousand and more then likely sweet bugger-all

They will offer Greer 5000$ to go away,

I say the best situation is they agree to give him a small amount, and with all the fee shifting and everything else he ends up in the negative. Now that would just be fucking hilarious.

Hardin has thought past all of this. He suckered ViaTRON into arbitration knowing it would be easiest to get Greer a token award to fuck off. He will make sure that the award amount after taxes and all other costs comes to $5,460. At first Greer will walk away thinking he is victorious and after celebrating with a hooker at Olive Garden, the $4500 will go a long way towards starting his brothel empire.

But before the ink ever hits the checkbook, Hardin files to seize the proceeds to pay already owed sanctions. Greer walks away with nothing, and Hardin gets paid by ViaTRON twice.

 

[Silver Coin Anon]

Greer walks away with nothing, and Harding gets paid by ViaTRON twice.

You need to write for a legal drama. Bravo!

Also maybe we need a poll, "When does Greer appeal his own agreement to arbitration?"

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Hardin has thought past all of this. He suckered ViaTRON into arbitration knowing it would be easiest to get Greer a token award to fuck off. He will make sure that the award amount after taxes and all other costs comes to $5,460. At first Greer will walk away thinking he is victorious and after celebrating with a hooker at Olive Garden, the $4500 will go a long way towards starting his brothel empire.

But before the ink ever hits the checkbook, Hardin files to seize the proceeds to pay already owed sanctions. Greer walks away with nothing, and Hardin gets paid by ViaTRON twice.

This joke scenario is exactly why I said there's a conceivable conflict of interest. I don't think he'd ever do this or that Null would want him to, but Hardin losing ViaTRON's case=Russ getting money for Hardin to take in Greer V Moon

 

[Tinidril]

My pet lawyer posed an interesting hypothetical: Hardin (as attorney in Greer v Moon) could potentially garnish ViaTRON (if they ended up losing, and owing Greee some money) saying you owe money to someone who owes money to *my* client, and Greee would never even touch any award. But easier, and less risk of a conflict of interest, to let Greee get his mitts on the money and then snatch it, even if he get to spend some of it for a hooker.

 

[Seymour Duncan]

How the fuck did they maneuver Greer into agreeing to arbitration on this one? Is his certainty that being able to explaaaaaaain is going to carry the day that really fucking strong? Did they tell him if they go to arbitration Hardin won't be involved?

I feel like he just read "arbitration" and thought it meant "we'll be forced to hash out a deal somewhere in the middle = guaranteed payday".

 

[HackerX]

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Now that's what I call maximalist!

Is this a dog whistle?

Someone is about to be very very poor. Probably not the company.

I'm sure the US taxpayer will somehow end up on the hook for this one way or another.

So Hardin is hogging all the Greer content for himself since we won't be privy to proceedings?

Sly like a fox that one.

Hardin is slowly consolidating all of the word's lolcow aura to himself. The man is playing 4D chess, and I'm envious.

He agreed to this. He can't back out.

In the timeless words of some wise old man drinking on his boat out on the lake before he does something really cool, "Hold my beer." Do you know whomst we're dealing with here??? By God he'll certainly make a dozen or so attempts.

Why Greer agreed to this is anybody guess. He thinks he gets to explain and they give him a big sack of money? He's terified of his history coming out in court again? He thinks this avoids his Nemesis Hardin? He's just fucking stupid? You be the Judge.

My bet is he thinks he just checkmated Viatron since that's his MO for basically everything where the conclusion isn't explicitly predetermined against him. Hell, not even a predetermined conclusion isn't enough to stop Russ from conjuring the idea he wom.


Literally Russ right now.

I imagine he will be surprised when the arbitrator tells him there is no IFP application available.

You think that'll be enough to stop Russ's fury??? What I'm interested in is whether Russ is aware that arbitration costs money, that can't be waived to the US taxpayer, and how he'll proceed from there. He'll either play stupid (I'm using play very liberally here) and pretend he doesn't understand, or just keep doing whatever he does and never acknowledge it until there's a distinct ruling that orders him to pony up his hooker money. (Or his student loan money, LOL. Even though that well is certainly tapped dry by now.)

I interpret this clause that if no party prevails and a settlement is made, each party covers half.

So my prediction is this:
They will offer Greer 5000$ to go away, the arbitrator will say "take it, it won't get better", they settle with no prevailing party, Greer is settled with half the cost, exceeding the 5000$ reward, and Hardin will have the last laugh.

Greer will never pay and file a new lawsuit to fight the settlement.

God. That would be hilarious because you know he won't process that reality in the heat of the moment. He'll be so consumed with victory, and be absolutely flabbergasted when the bill arrives at his door car. Bonus points if Russ expects a check for $5,000 and it turns out to be a bill that goes 'We've already deducted your award from the bill, and now you owe $2,000.'

Remember, the vast majority of federal judges are not bow-tied idiot lunatics.

In the spirit of my ignorance of federal courts, Plaintiff Plaintiff Greee, and his associate legal threads, I'm interpreting this post as a tongue-in-cheek way to say that all federal judges are bow-tied, idiot lunatics. I wouldn't expect it any other way.

Worse, she's a paralegal.
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Based on the area and the weird name I was guessing Indian(feather not dot).

What are the odds Russ has already invited her to either work at his brothel or suck him his penis? 90%? Higher?

If Greer loses this, there's a non-zero chance he files a "Motion to Undue" and lists every single thing that happened during arbitration.

Non-zero? WTF? It's 100%.

How the fuck did they maneuver Greer into agreeing to arbitration on this one? Is his certainty that being able to explaaaaaaain is going to carry the day that really fucking strong? Did they tell him if they go to arbitration Hardin won't be involved?

Because Russ thinks his victory is assured now. While arbitration is already a pretty solid tactic in general for corporate, it's especially brilliant against Russ. He thinks this is all to negotiate his settlement, with $200k serving as the bare minimum starting point. There's no way he's expecting there's any other purpose, plus he won't have access to ChatGPT to interpret the arbitrator or Viatron.

Though I'm willing to bet he'll certainly try to generate some AI prompts in the middle of it, but the discussion will be too fast for it to be usable. If he does attempt that, you have to imagine the arbitrator will scold him, right? Hell, I'll get a real good giggle if him doing that unnecessarily increases the length of arbitration, raises the fees, and explicitly gets identified as a fee he's responsible for.

He doesn't have a lawyer explaining the pros and cons to him. He probably sees this as a way of fast-tracking his $200,000 to get him out of his stinking EV and into a nice shiny brothel in the desert.

Lawyer? He has something better. ChatGPT.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Is this a dog whistle?

... huh?

 

[HackerX]

... huh?

A dog whistle for either time travel, or for KF case that'll live long enough for time to horseshoe back to the beginning of time.