Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Bassomatic]

That last pic is straight up armslist "I know what I got a spec ops IRAQI AK" 2k take it or leave it NO LOW BALL.

I miss bullying poors on armslist.

 

[ChampFantana]

Unfortunately the industry is stuck on "another AR or GLOCK-alike" mode because they work and people will buy them.

You're absolutely right. Hell, I own both a Glock and AR myself. They're both basically the gold standard in their categories.

I also think that technology plays a part in how ubiquitous Glocks and ARs are.
Until the next revolutionary weapon technology comes along that makes chemically-propelled chunks of metal obsolete, we'll continue to see the same stuff at SHOT Show year after year.

 

[Akran]

Someone is working on a SAW furniture kit for the lima six, FN bros in shambles. No idea on cost or anything, its a prototype

 

[The Dude]

You're absolutely right. Hell, I own both a Glock and AR myself. They're both basically the gold standard in their categories.

I also think that technology plays a part in how ubiquitous Glocks and ARs are.
Until the next revolutionary weapon technology comes along that makes chemically-propelled chunks of metal obsolete, we'll continue to see the same stuff at SHOT Show year after year.

I think we will have chemically propelled slug-throwers for a long, long time to come yet. What might change is what chemicals are used to chuck those slugs and how they are formulated/what form they come in. Could be someone cracks caseless ammo and is capable of making a propellant that is durable enough to serve as the case while taking the knocks and bangs of the combat field, but will reliably be ignited when the trigger is pulled (either through a typical primer or through an electronic ignition system a la the M41A Pulse Rifle), and is clean burning so it won't horribly foul the weapon. Could be someone creates a liquid propellant that is safe and stable in its container, is reliably ignited in the chamber, and the only feed mechanism is for the projectiles themselves. Who knows?

 

[Foley]

I think we will have chemically propelled slug-throwers for a long, long time to come yet. What might change is what chemicals are used to chuck those slugs and how they are formulated/what form they come in. Could be someone cracks caseless ammo and is capable of making a propellant that is durable enough to serve as the case while taking the knocks and bangs of the combat field, but will reliably be ignited when the trigger is pulled (either through a typical primer or through an electronic ignition system a la the M41A Pulse Rifle), and is clean burning so it won't horribly foul the weapon. Could be someone creates a liquid propellant that is safe and stable in its container, is reliably ignited in the chamber, and the only feed mechanism is for the projectiles themselves. Who knows?

I have a hard time seeing how we are going to make basic service weapons significantly more effective than they currently are, without there being some type of new technology that is not directly connected to the firearm itself. Like your average modern service rifle is a reliable, accurate, and deadly firearm for what infantry combat requires in these modern times. The biggest limiting factor in their capability doesn't really have anything to do with the rifle itself, it has more to do with the settings they are being used, and how well people use them. But, if we have exoskeletons that aid the individual soldier with service rifle efficiency (ability to hold the rifle steady), and at the same time we have improved protection for the soldier that does require more advancements in cartridge technology, then we are maybe looking into bigger developments.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

That last pic is straight up armslist "I know what I got a spec ops IRAQI AK" 2k take it or leave it NO LOW BALL.

I get a little nostalgic for the Fiberforce stocks, even if they're crap.

 

[The Dude]

I have a hard time seeing how we are going to make basic service weapons significantly more effective than they currently are, without there being some type of new technology that is not directly connected to the firearm itself. Like your average modern service rifle is a reliable, accurate, and deadly firearm for what infantry combat requires in these modern times. The biggest limiting factor in their capability doesn't really have anything to do with the rifle itself, it has more to do with the settings they are being used, and how well people use them. But, if we have exoskeletons that aid the individual soldier with service rifle efficiency (ability to hold the rifle steady), and at the same time we have improved protection for the soldier that does require more advancements in cartridge technology, then we are maybe looking into bigger developments.

My guess is the basic form factor and operating system will remain more or less unchanged and what the next step will be is more lethal ammunition via increased velocity/kinetic energy. Ammunition will become more potent as new powder and case technologies are developed, and then downsized to be able to carry more, lighter weight ammo while maintaining similar effectiveness. We are already starting to see it with all the new 6.8mm systems starting to debut. Or if combat grade exo-suits become reality and an individual soldier is now able to carry a heavier combat load while maintaining the same or greater combat effectiveness, then perhaps we will see a shift towards weapons systems that can take advantage of larger, even more powerful ammunition or a much higher capacity, like backpack belt-feed system to cut down on reloading, while still being able to run and gun like it was an M4.

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

Or if combat grade exo-suits become reality and an individual soldier is now able to carry a heavier combat load while maintaining the same or greater combat effectiveness, then perhaps we will see a shift towards weapons systems that can take advantage of larger, even more powerful ammunition or a much higher capacity, like backpack belt-feed system to cut down on reloading, while still being able to run and gun like it was an M4.

I think the stepping stone between where we are now and exosuits would be a squad support bot. Something like a Spot or BigDog to carry the squad LMG and run the belt directly from, plus a ton of mags for battle rifles and other supplies if we end up actually fielding the M7 or something like it, to reduce the ammo burden on the individual soldier without reducing the number of rounds they have access to. It's not a perfect solution since you'd have to come up with a way to recharge the bot in the field, but that's the same issue you'd run into with power for the exosuits if you're relying on them for increased load capacity as well

 

[The Dude]

I think the stepping stone between where we are now and exosuits would be a squad support bot. Something like a Spot or BigDog to carry the squad LMG and run the belt directly from, plus a ton of mags for battle rifles and other supplies if we end up actually fielding the M7 or something like it, to reduce the ammo burden on the individual soldier without reducing the number of rounds they have access to. It's not a perfect solution since you'd have to come up with a way to recharge the bot in the field, but that's the same issue you'd run into with power for the exosuits if you're relying on them for increased load capacity as well

I think the major hurdle with exosuits/exoframes and squad companion/pack mule drones is going to be the same hurdle to overcome as individual laser/EW weapons: a power supply that is compact, lightweight, high capacity, high energy, can be quickly swapped out, and quickly recharged in the field. And whatever is used to recharge in the field itself must be easily portable, powerful enough to recharge the power supplies quickly, and probably be able to do so with multiple power packs simultaneously.

 

[Taser Confetti]

if we end up actually fielding the M7 or something like it

I might have to eat my words but I don’t see the M7 ever actually seeing combat. Maybe a couple will see use as a DMR but the real pipe hitters want nothing to do with this abomination.

 

[Foley]

I might have to eat my words but I don’t see the M7 ever actually seeing combat. Maybe a couple will see use as a DMR but the real pipe hitters want nothing to do with this abomination.

I'm pretty sure the only photos where I see M7 being handled are always with 101st airborne. Literally no-one else.

 

[Taser Confetti]

I'm pretty sure the only photos where I see M7 being handled are always with 101st airborne. Literally no-one else.

They love to give prototypes to the 101’st - I believing they were even allowed to fuck with Scar L’s and Remington ACR’s back in the day.

101 gave the M7 scathing reviews.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I'm pretty sure the only photos where I see M7 being handled are always with 101st airborne. Literally no-one else.

right now the plan is only to equip the close combat forces with the new rifle. all other troops retain the M4. I've seen photos of the 101st, 82nd, 3rd Inf. and 75th rangers using the rifle.

 

[Foley]

right now the plan is only to equip the close combat forces with the new rifle. all other troops retain the M4. I've seen photos of the 101st, 82nd, 3rd Inf. and 75th rangers using the rifle.

Let's give the M7 to the troops that least actually need it! What could go wrong?

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

They are not "like 5th long". They are literally over 5ft.

I was looking at cheap pistol scopes on Amazon the other day and cracked up at all the old rifles people were buying them for that needed two feet of eye relief. I'd never thought about a scope on a Garand.

Looks like Colt is making the new Grizzly just like the originals where it is a Python barrel on a King Cobra frame, and not just a Python with a ported barrel. I don't know why I had it in my head that the new ones were just a Python variant. It doesn't surprise me that they are trying to be as faithful as possible to the original guns. Colt under CZ has been really good about that.

I don't think I've ever seen 30 stores listed for a BLEM gun before. Is there a production issue with the Grizzly or all these places selling the same gun?

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/151550026747

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I'd never thought about a scope on a Garand.

M1C and M1D Garands had scopes. they saw extensive use in Korea and the last stage of WW2. most were .30-06 but the navy had some made in 7.62x51. A flash hider was mounted in place of a bayonet. they used a mount from Griffin & Howe. G&H still make that mount and will build you a Garand with it. many of these rifles went on to serve with the South Vietnamese army.

 

[Taser Confetti]

M1C and M1D Garands had scopes. they saw extensive use in Korea and the last stage of WW2. most were .30-06 but the navy had some made in 7.62x51. A flash hider was mounted in place of a bayonet. they used a mount from Griffin & Howe. G&H still make that mount and will build you a Garand with it. many of these rifles went on to serve with the South Vietnamese army.
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Fulton Armory will build these for you to this day if you have the coin.

 

[Dean Pentel]

I'll likely get the 3" version of the Grizzly, but I'm REALLY tempted to get a 4.25" of the Kodiak.

You're feeling that temptation because God is trying to guide you toward the best carry revolver choice here.

I've got kind of a boner for vintage pinned and recessed N Frame magnums.

I knew you were an alright guy.

Could be someone creates a liquid propellant that is safe and stable in its container, is reliably ignited in the chamber, and the only feed mechanism is for the projectiles themselves.

I could see this happening for artillery or similarly sized projectiles but I suspect powder is what'll drive small arms until well after we're all dead.

 

[hog cranking frog]

Cased ammo is a great heat sink. Hard to improve upon that.

 

[The Dude]

I could see this happening for artillery or similarly sized projectiles but I suspect powder is what'll drive small arms until well after we're all dead.

I believe one of the experimental guns for the Abrams back in the 80s used liquid instead of powder for the propellant. Might have been the 90s.

Edit: I'm a dumb. It's the exothermic propellant ammunition that I'm thinking of.