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The output of these modern studios is absolutely pathetic. Amazon has released only 32 episodes of Invincible since April of 2021. Meanwhile the standard for Cartoon Network programs in the good old days was 13 episodes a year and they were involved with a lot more animated projects.

The Amazing Digital Circus which everyone is shilling only has 8 episodes despite the pilot airing in 2023. I genuinely don't get it.
 
The Pulverizer said:
The output of these modern studios is absolutely pathetic. Amazon has released only 32 episodes of Invincible since April of 2021. Meanwhile the standard for Cartoon Network programs in the good old days was 13 episodes a year and they were involved with a lot more animated projects.

The Amazing Digital Circus which everyone is shilling only has 8 episodes despite the pilot airing in 2023. I genuinely don't get it.
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Says a lot the effort to crank these out isn't the same as it used to be decades ago.
 
The Pulverizer said:
The output of these modern studios is absolutely pathetic. Amazon has released only 32 episodes of Invincible since April of 2021. Meanwhile the standard for Cartoon Network programs in the good old days was 13 episodes a year and they were involved with a lot more animated projects.

The Amazing Digital Circus which everyone is shilling only has 8 episodes despite the pilot airing in 2023. I genuinely don't get it.
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Indi animation probably takes longer and needs Time to keep the quality up. Space King only has 5 eps and a 6th on the way but then again Tom and Dawn are also making a comic book so that also effects things.
I have no excuse for Amazon.
 
Edgeymcedgename said:
Indi animation probably takes longer and needs Time to keep the quality up.
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I was just thinking about this. Cartoons used to have 65 episodes as a default, nowadays cartoons are lucky to get 16 total episodes before being cancelled. Then again, cartoons used to look like this:
I love Jem, but I can acknowledge parts of the show looked terrible, especially the first few episodes. The quality DID improve over time, but even then they had a few episodes animated by a cheaper studio that were even worse looking than the first few episodes. Go figure.
Indie cartoons are kind of like handmade craft goods, you've got a small group of broke people working on the project and doing it reasonably well every time, compared to mass-produced bullshit that has a large team and money behind it and can afford to make 5,000 errors.
I think the pre-recession economy also has something to do with it. Things used to be so good, studios would greenlight any old garbage even if it was as stupid as "Super Duper Sumos" or what-have-you. They didn't need every single cartoon to have Lore™ and last 9 seasons and a movie and sell so much merchandise it changed the world. Nowadays everything is so bad, if any time spent working on something ISN'T time spent earning enough to live off of, nobody's willing to do it. The suits at studios only want to do reboots or close down their animation departments, the nerds doing indie animation either need to merchandise to hell and back or sell their souls to Amazon, and everyone else just gives up because it's time and labor intensive and you'd make more stable money just being a cashier at Walmart.
Bad economies don't support thriving animation scenes. It's one of those luxury things that you just can't have if everyone is worried about their next rent check. It's like how native american tribes didn't have art and jewellery if they were struggling, they spent all their time and resources on food and shelter instead.
 
The Pulverizer said:
The output of these modern studios is absolutely pathetic. Amazon has released only 32 episodes of Invincible since April of 2021. Meanwhile the standard for Cartoon Network programs in the good old days was 13 episodes a year and they were involved with a lot more animated projects.

The Amazing Digital Circus which everyone is shilling only has 8 episodes despite the pilot airing in 2023. I genuinely don't get it.
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What do you think is the deal with that? I find it hard to believe that animations takes as long as it does. Are they just stuck in an endless corporate hell meetings, deciding whether or not to cancel the show because it costs too much overhead?
Niggerphobe said:

It’s coming back
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What is this?
 
Probably has been talked about, but I loved Adventure Time.

The romantic episodes are the least entertaining, but the ones where it involves ADVENTURE (like in the name, wink) and magic, mixed with the weird humor and chill vibes is absolutely beautiful and inspiring.

They don't make other stuff like that, do they?
 
Celebrate Nite said:
is there some inside joke with this show that I'm not getting?
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We live in a terminally online world filled with sickos and faggots, so that a normal preschool show that would've just been appreciated by its target audience of families 20 years ago now has a "periphery audience" that treats it like the second coming of Christ because it's mildly enjoyable for the parents watching it with their kids (but their narcissistic brains mean it's meant for them too).
 
Carbiter said:
What do you think is the deal with that? I find it hard to believe that animations takes as long as it does. Are they just stuck in an endless corporate hell meetings, deciding whether or not to cancel the show because it costs too much overhead?
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The prestige of being an animator probably attracts people that aren't very talented. I also doubt most of the employees are as passionate as the people working at CN two decades ago, and with cartoons a lot of the charm comes from passionate artists being playful with their work. On top of all that, action cartoons basically died early in the last decade alongside TV, so I imagine the tried and true formula has been lost to time.

As far as corporate meddling goes, I seriously doubt that's a problem now that TV schedules don't exist and ratings don't seem to mean anything. Amazon doesn't actually care whether or not the latest season of Invincible increases or decreases Prime subscribers by a small fraction of a percentage.
 
The Pulverizer said:
On top of all that, action cartoons basically died early in the last decade alongside TV, so I imagine the tried and true formula has been lost to time.
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Much like American cars in the 1970s, and American motorcycles in the 1980s, the Japanese came in and ate them alive.
 
The Pulverizer said:
The output of these modern studios is absolutely pathetic. Amazon has released only 32 episodes of Invincible since April of 2021. Meanwhile the standard for Cartoon Network programs in the good old days was 13 episodes a year and they were involved with a lot more animated projects.

The Amazing Digital Circus which everyone is shilling only has 8 episodes despite the pilot airing in 2023. I genuinely don't get it.
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It's so jarring watching any given anime nowadays when it has at least 12/13 episodes that are roughly twenty four minutes each. You'd think Amazon, one of the richest companies in the world, could absolutely dominate in the animation department but Invincible has rough animation even in its fourth season and it ain't looking like it'll improve any time soon.
 
starborn427614 said:
It's so jarring watching any given anime nowadays when it has at least 12/13 episodes that are roughly twenty four minutes each. You'd think Amazon, one of the richest companies in the world, could absolutely dominate in the animation department but Invincible has rough animation even in its fourth season and it ain't looking like it'll improve any time soon.
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Lord knows even Japanese studios today are nothing like the ones that wowed us 30-40 years ago.
 

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