The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

Dread First said:
Conversely, the ArchWiki explicitly states that the AUR is 100% a caveat emptor sort of affair. You use those PKGBUILDs at your own risk, regardless of whether or not the developer of $insert_project_here is officially maintaining that PKGBUILD. That's why you need yay: because Pacman intentionally lacks any sort of direct ability to interface with the AUR.
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Well, idk about that exactly. You just use yay, paru, or anothe aur helper because it's more convenient than handling it the official way. But as far as I know the official way to use the aur is with git, and makepkg, then installing with pacman. The aur helpers, just automate what you would otherwise do by git cloning, running makepkg, and then running pacman to install the pkg.

Betonhaus said:
You can set some apps to have access to all Xnamespaces. Otherwise it would be exactly like the garbage Wayland solution that everyone hates.
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At least from the time I started using wayland, the clipboard stuff was already a solved problem, and nothing was really needed beyond the programming knowing that wayland exists, and knows to look for WAYLAND_DISPLAY instead of DISPLAY in the environment. And if so use wl-clipboard rather than xclip. The issues that I've seen are in screensharing, and things along those lines. At least from what I've seen it is something that is actively being changed, but even now there are solutions to it but they require things like xdg-desktop-portals, and pipewire which is annoying.

SCV said:
Supposedly that doesn't happ if you're using the app but that leads into my other complaint. If they support wireguard it should, you know, work but also they seem to be trying to nudge people to use the app. Why? I don't know. It could just be trying to get better retention or it could be more sinister. But I will tell you if I were the NSA or whoever and wanted to unmask someone I sure would prefer them to have the app. Because then I can just hand proton a court order (that they can't talk about) and force them to compromise my targets machine. There's no facility for that with just wireguard.
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I always recommend mullvad. Never had any problems with it, also for people that don't want to use their own cli/app At least in my experience using just wireguard works just fine. It just doesn't give you some of the things you get from the cli.

Dread First said:
You can tweak this script to use yay if you so choose. I personally refuse to because I loathe the AUR wholesale.
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The script for the aur would be even shorter.

Code: 
#!/bin/sh
yay
#(or if you use paru)
paru
flatpak update

Really it would be 2 lines, and probably better as an alias, because making a script for it seems unnecessary. just running paru or yay with no arguement updates all normal packages, and aur packages.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
At least from the time I started using wayland, the clipboard stuff was already a solved problem, and nothing was really needed beyond the programming knowing that wayland exists, and knows to look for WAYLAND_DISPLAY instead of DISPLAY in the environment. And if so use wl-clipboard rather than xclip. The issues that I've seen are in screensharing, and things along those lines. At least from what I've seen it is something that is actively being changed, but even now there are solutions to it but they require things like xdg-desktop-portals, and pipewire which is annoying
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Oh so OBS and global hotkeys now work without having to have a carve out that's specific to each DE and requires app developers to do a completely different implementation each time?
 
Anti Snigger said:
>canonical is getting DDOSed
>Can't update or install shit ATM
:sigh: I have nobody to blame but myself
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Betonhaus said:
Huh, glad I switched my server to Debian
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I'm still holding steady on Ubuntu Server. On the flip side, at least the update cadence for Ubuntu Server is naturally slower. DDOS attacks can be waited out without much urgency. (What? Copium? No! Whatever do you mean?! There's no copium here [nervous laughter while kicking the can under the bed])

Squishie PP said:
Indeed. With other distributions, you will be able to pick mirrors to download from. With Ubuntu, half the apt packages will just secretly translate into snap packages without telling you, so you can't mirror them.
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Serious praise to the Linux Mint team for having actual fucking mirrors, no snaps by default, and coherent tooling. Linux Mint is the only Ubuntu variant worth running, and we need to make damn sure the glowies don't target Clem. Clem and Patrick Volkerding are the only two people left who still have their heads on correctly.

prollyanotherlurker said:
Well, idk about that exactly. You just use yay, paru, or anothe aur helper because it's more convenient than handling it the official way. But as far as I know the official way to use the aur is with git, and makepkg, then installing with pacman. The aur helpers, just automate what you would otherwise do by git cloning, running makepkg, and then running pacman to install the pkg.
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I honestly don't give a shit about any of that. My core gripe is specifically: "I find the AUR to be a pain in the ass no matter how I slice it, and I'm already biased against Arch and assorted variants for various reasons. I want a lazy man's bleeding edge Linux distro, not "Mom, cancel my appointments. Pacman fucked up my xorg.conf again.""
 
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Thought that the battle against surveillance based on "protecting the kids" couldn't get worse?
A Utah will become the first state to have companies liable if someone in state uses a VPN to connect to their platform to void age verification.
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Betonhaus said:
Oh so OBS and global hotkeys now work without having to have a carve out that's specific to each DE and requires app developers to do a completely different implementation each time?
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that wasn't one of the things they listed.

Dread First said:
I honestly don't give a shit about any of that. My core gripe is specifically: "I find the AUR to be a pain in the ass no matter how I slice it, and I'm already biased against Arch and assorted variants for various reasons. I want a lazy man's bleeding edge Linux distro, not "Mom, cancel my appointments. Pacman fucked up my xorg.conf again.""
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Arch seems pretty easy to me. I've used it consistently for a while now. I would say it's overall been pretty smooth. I definitely don't have to deal with constantly fixings unlike what people say about arch I don't worry about things breaking on updates. I just consistently update, and something going wrong is so rare I don't think I can recall an actual example of it happening to me in recent memory.

I mean I guess if people actually have no idea about anything happening on their system it's not a good distro to use. Like if they don't know on updates, if you modify the package provided files in /etc instead of using one of the *.d drop in file directories, when you update it will create a *.pacnew file. Then you can either merge manually, or run pacdiff and which gives you a few options for merging them. Or you can just remove the *.pacnew if you don't want to modify anything in it.

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But that's just arches version of the same thing other distros do with system configuration files. They pretty much all more or less do the same thing. The only one I think handles it more cleanly is gentoo. Which keeps old versions in /etc/config-archive so you can go back and get older versions before making any changes on updates.

Anyone using any distro should probably know on package updates the package manager will update package provided /etc files, and there is going to be a way you have to deal with it if you make changes to those files.
 
Betonhaus said:
Oh so OBS and global hotkeys now work without having to have a carve out that's specific to each DE and requires app developers to do a completely different implementation each time?
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No, providing consistent standard for handling key input like X does would be against unix philosophy or something
 
Is Wayland still shit? I am contemplating switching my neckbeard x11 i3wm setup to Sway when I finally upgrade my PC. But I actually want something functional and that doesn't need a million workarounds to do stuff. I contemplated hyprland but it gives me troon dev vibes, and the stupid eye candy of it seems masturbatory.
 
Meth Reindeer said:
Is Wayland still shit? I am contemplating switching my neckbeard x11 i3wm setup to Sway when I finally upgrade my PC. But I actually want something functional and that doesn't need a million workarounds to do stuff. I contemplated hyprland but it gives me troon dev vibes, and the stupid eye candy of it seems masturbatory.
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Wayland is still shit yeah. Hyprland isn't troon dev, he's just a slight weeb.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Surprised nobody has brought up this yet https://xint.io/blog/copy-fail-linux-distributions
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I tried to watch Brodie Robertson's video on it but he pisses me off so I read the short AI generated summary of the issue, followed by a Low Level video (who I can tolerate more than Brodie).

It's partly normal CVE doom exaggeration in my opinion, but I'm not a security guy. Not that it isn't a pretty big vulnerability, just that it requires an existing local user account to already be compromised. At that point you're already kind of fucked. I also think there's probably a ton more similar vulnerabilities waiting to be discovered.

Anyway, the mitigation is simple as fuck. When I tested to see if my VPS was vulnerable it wasn't, and it's kernel had not been updated since before the disclosure so my guess is the optimisation responsible was already turned off on it. I am sure it's caused headaches for sysadmins though.

My desktop was vulnerable, but I am literally the only person who uses it and I just turned off the optimisation until I upgrade my kernel or desktop entirely.

Dante Alighieri said:
Wayland is still shit yeah. Hyprland isn't troon dev, he's just a slight weeb.
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I see. It just gave me the vibes of something a programmer socks enjoyer would use. I might just stick to i3 and "old" x11. I still don't see why people automatically want to replace old and tested stuff with new buggy shit before it's ready.
 
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