Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread - Gorl Tawk's very own DMZ (De-Moidified Zone)

should we sterilize the poor? would you cosign my effort to deploy a virus that affects people with sickle-cell anemia and causes infertility?
:story: I love that you got mad because you know I'm right
Idk where you pulled anything about sterilization out of, what I'm saying is obviously that noone can afford kids because moids have trashed the economy and allocate 8 million dollars for the average ceo while workers make less every year. That your mind goes to forced sterilization and lab viruses rather than fixing this garbage heap is telling.
 
moids have trashed the economy and allocate 8 million dollars for the average ceo while workers make less every year
Well, clearly the solution to this problem is importing infinity Indians. They'll work for less and still have kids so we can keep the same economic policies with no consequences. What's that you say? The Indians are doing a rape? Obviously this is white women's fault. We should take away their rights to punish them.
 
Given this amazing world scrotes are hard at work building and providing, it is good that they are extolling the virtues of living in poverty and trying to make women feel bad for not wanting to bring children into lives of poverty. Having sex and making babies is a super big priority right now, especially given how well society is functioning thanks to moid intelligence and planning.
do not make moids work hard and earn money you gold digger xd

should we sterilize the poor? would you cosign my effort to deploy a virus that affects people with sickle-cell anemia and causes infertility?
ugh I do not know on one hand it's cruel on the other hand I've seen some photos of families mass producing children when they cannot afford 1. Like they live in an apartment that is literally 1 room they don't have toilet in the house (they share it with neighbors) and then they are having 5 children. And then the woman is pregnant because condoms are sin or something. And then the children are slowly being taken away. Or they explicitly don't want any children but they are too retarded to buy a condom. I have read a story of a boy born with HIV and given up for adoption and nobody wanted him in Poland and he had to be adopted in France by a nurse.
I'm not exactly into spreading more viruses though.
I would say we should just sterilize felons, but by the time most of them get caught and convicted, they already have at least five kids who will all grow up to be just like their dad despite never knowing him. Their sperm is already a virus.

I remember seeing this Tiktok of a guy defending himself for never wearing condoms and never paying child support. He was blaming his seven baby mamas and saying it was their fault for agreeing to have sex with him. The comments were all asking why he didn't just get a vasectomy if he doesn't want kids and doesn't like condoms, and he didn't have an answer. Just now I couldn't find it, though, because there are so many of them it's hard to find a specific one.
no because sometimes the felon is a woman who beated up her cheating husband.

Well, clearly the solution to this problem is importing infinity Indians. They'll work for less and still have kids so we can keep the same economic policies with no consequences. What's that you say? The Indians are doing a rape? Obviously this is white women's fault. We should take away their rights to punish them.
nooo we say pajeets. But yes we should stop importing pajeets like what are they useful for.
 
Yes. They make children beg in the streets and feed them trash. They generally cannot raise functional, productive members of society. Most poor moids are poor for a reason. They have nothing to lose, which is the most dangerous category of man. They treat women horribly and do not deserve a wife.
Like in many other cases, Disco Elysium script exists, so I can read from it as if it was holy scripture:

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:story: I love that you got mad because you know I'm right
Idk where you pulled anything about sterilization out of, what I'm saying is obviously that noone can afford kids because moids have trashed the economy and allocate 8 million dollars for the average ceo while workers make less every year. That your mind goes to forced sterilization and lab viruses rather than fixing this garbage heap is telling.
I replied because your point is that "bringing children into poverty" is immoral, but having a child in the United States guarantees them a base line level of sufficiency and social security never seen before in human history at any other time. By your logic, if we presuppose that poverty in the US makes having children immoral, having children any time before the administration of FDR was an immoral and selfish act. This is either a ridiculous and ill-thought out perspective, or a nihilist and anti-natalist perspective reserved for only the most spoiled and bored humans alive. If you personally don't want kids because you're angry at men or whatever, it would be less ridiculous to simply say so instead of pretending what you have to say is based on any merit.

Workers are making less because of immigrants. Real wages are down because there is no need to pay more. White Americans are being denied educational paths based on the color of their skin, even those who graduate are under/unemployed, every major corporation is filing for H-1B visas while cutting the jobs of White American who built their companies, and are generally allowing hostile takeovers from foreign wealth to the disadvantage of everyone in the country, because they then also overseas production lines to the point where finding anything made in the US using US materials is actually impossible even for simple things like nuts and bolts.

The point of my statement was that you're angry about the economy. I won't deny it's hard to budget children in, but when I do the math it's because I'm being raped by the IRS to pay for nigger welfare, nigger snap, nigger medicaid, nigger section 8, and nigger hotels (prison). If I (or any income-earning adult in the US) kept their income, that would be baby money for baby crib, baby supplies, baby trust fund, baby hsa, baby esa. Instead it's nigger money for niggers who are going to rape and kill white babies - which also impacts the budget because more money has to be delegated to anti-nigger housing (white suburbs), anti-nigger security (guns and cameras), and anti-nigger education (private school / homeschool). You can say this is just my insane racism or whatever but the fact is that the entire US housing market is based on how far away you can get from niggers without living too far from your job. "Quiet neighborhood" and "Good schools" are Zillow euphemisms for "no niggers".

So I support your thesis. It's immoral to have children in poverty. I just define poverty differently. Poverty is India. Poverty is Nigeria. I believe that most of those people should be sterilized. I'd argue that it is impossible to truly be so poverty stricken that it's immoral to have children in the US. The children who are missing meals in the US are the children of addicts, and on principle I think all addicts should be shot dead regardless of race.

P.S. I'm not "mad", this is just how I talk, sorry if that offends you.
 
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I am just going to leave this here thought you would want to know.
 
By your logic, if we presuppose that poverty in the US makes having children immoral, having children any time before the administration of FDR was an immoral and selfish act. This is either a ridiculous and ill-thought out perspective, or a nihilist and anti-natalist perspective reserved for only the most spoiled and bored humans alive.
By my logic, reliable contraception only exists since the 60s and marital rape wasn't a thing. :ratface:
I replied because your point is that "bringing children into poverty" is immoral
People are having less kids because their standard of living keeps going down and they can't afford houses, and I was commenting on the internet misogynistic talking point about birthrates and abortion and feminism while ignoring how the world/economy goes to shit (due to moids in power).
Workers are making less because of immigrants.
False. Workers are making less because of powerful moids extract as much value as they can for themselves. Note that the article I posted said CEOs make 54% more while workers make 12% less. Scapegoating immigrants is ultimately retarded because they're just the cheap labor the rich scrotes use. If AI could one day be cheaper than human labor, they'll slack every human and use that to cut costs to extract the value for themselves.If they can offshore jobs to the third world, they do that. When it was legal to use kids for cheap labor, they did that. When it was legal to underpay women, they did that. When it was legal to use **IMMIGRANT** slaves, they did that. Obviously exploitation, not its effect, immigration, is the cause.
when I do the math it's because I'm being raped by the IRS to pay for nigger welfare, nigger snap, nigger medicaid, nigger section 8, and nigger hotels (prison).
Ok, we like math. Nigger hotels contain 93% males. 56% white and 38% black. Moids again. The majority of welfare recipients are white boomers. 39% of recipients of snap are children, and 35% are white to 25% black. They may be overrepresented but it's dishonest to say that niggers are costing you when lots of white kids, which are your panacea, are eating thanks to these programs. Their fathers aren't paying for them so someone has to.
In 2025 alone, the collective wealth of american billionaires (just the billionaires mind you, not the hundred-millionaires) grew by 1.5 trillion, to 8.2 trillion. 1.5 trillion dollars is 4,200 dollars per American person worth of economic value being funneled into the pockets of 989 people. 981 of them are moids. Math is fun.
Also for the record I have a son, I'm not antinatalist, I'm laughing at birthrate spergs who blame feminism and the 19th for the baby bust when moids have done this all themselves.
 
I am just going to leave this here thought you would want to know.
I was just about to post that. Of course it was a court in Louisiana, a state that voted in 2018 that there is no state constitutional right to abortion. What this means is that you'll have to get abortion pills mailed from "illicit" sources like Los Libres/ Plan C or doctors on international waters if you're in Red states. Considering the precarious laws I'm sure women were using those methods anyways. They're trying to get the FDA to ban it and get providers to turn over patient information so they can prosecute them.
 
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If you personally don't want kids because you're angry at men or whatever, it would be less ridiculous to simply say so instead of pretending what you have to say is based on any merit.
I think crazedaze is a mother, so I'm not sure this would apply.
having a child in the United States guarantees them a base line level of sufficiency and social security never seen before in human history at any other time.
I agree, but I think many people are using "can I give my kids a better life and opportunities than I had?" as a barometer, rather than "can I give them a better life than my great grandparents had?" For Indian and Nigerian immigrants, the answer to the former question is an automatic yes, because the conditions they grew up in were so awful. For many Americans, it's a no, partly because of the problems you pointed out in your post. Maybe we do need to adjust our standards to fit a larger global and historical metric of human success, rather than just our own childhoods. But many people feel frustrated about being told to lower their hopes for their children due to someone else's fuck ups. That frustration comes out in a lot of different ways, some of them nihilistic, but it doesn't always mean they're personally determined to not have kids.
on principle I think all addicts should be shot dead regardless of race.
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I replied because your point is that "bringing children into poverty" is immoral, but having a child in the United States guarantees them a base line level of sufficiency and social security never seen before in human history at any other time. By your logic, if we presuppose that poverty in the US makes having children immoral, having children any time before the administration of FDR was an immoral and selfish act
One thing I wanted to add, as someone from a third world country, is that the average American spends hundreds of dollars a month on things that can be downgraded or eliminated without affecting their standard of living, in some cases it's thousands of dollars instead of hundreds, I like telling the story of an American friend I used to had that complained about his finances, yet he bought $3000 night vision googles, 500 rounds for his rifle and a used truck just for fun, and he was making 80k a year (which is not out of this world) and his wife didn't work.

I waste my money too, even if it's to a smaller degree, if you don't have children it's not that you can't afford them, you just would rather spend the money on comfort, also by this logic (of not being able to afford kids) then no one in second tier countries such as Uruguay or Portugal should be able to have children. It's similar to when people say that poverty causes crime, by that logic everyone in my Paraguay should be a criminal.
:story: I love that you got mad because you know I'm right
Idk where you pulled anything about sterilization out of, what I'm saying is obviously that noone can afford kids because moids have trashed the economy and allocate 8 million dollars for the average ceo while workers make less every year. That your mind goes to forced sterilization and lab viruses rather than fixing this garbage heap is telling.
CEO pay is a meme, Walmart's CEO earns 27.5 million a year and Walmart has 2,1 million employees, if he was earning $0 a year then his employees would get an extra $13 a year. Also movie stars and athletes make more money than CEOs all the time yet there is no movement complaining about how Rihanna has a billion dollars, this is because the people who put these ideas in your head want to replace CEOs but can't replace artists and athletes.
 
People are having less kids because their standard of living keeps going down and they can't afford houses,
Doubtful. People love blaming the economy or feminism or both for the declining birth rate but as Null pointed out, people managed to reproduce above replacement rate in what we would consider untenable conditions.

Personally I blame a lack of mortality salience. Wealthier countries are better at hiding their dead and dying and our ‘oh shit that’s gonna be me, and soon’ switch doesn’t get triggered.
 
Doubtful. People love blaming the economy or feminism or both for the declining birth rate but as Null pointed out, people managed to reproduce above replacement rate in what we would consider untenable conditions.

Personally I blame a lack of mortality salience. Wealthier countries are better at hiding their dead and dying and our ‘oh shit that’s gonna be me, and soon’ switch doesn’t get triggered.
I'm not sure they "managed to" so much as they didn't have a choice. They needed kids to help with the physical labor of survival, because everyone kept dying of diseases and accidents. We don't just pretend death doesn't exist. It's actually less of a problem for us, because the child mortality rates are so low and life expectancy in most developed countries is at an all-time high. If every person you knew who's dead died at 60 or 70, you at 25 are not likely to think "oh shit, that could be me soon, better have kids right away."

Can someone move all these posts to a new thread? I looked around and I can't find a dedicated birth rate discussion thread that isn't from five years ago.
 
you live in a fabricated reality. if you cannot accept the fact that more workers accepting less money = lower wages for everyone (a well-documented phenomena known as "saturation"), there is no purpose in discussing anything.
Of course there isn't, because you're blaming imported workers and I'm blaming the scrotes at the top who made the decisions and did the planning and hired them. Your reality is that everything is about race and my delusional fantasy is that powerful men who organized the world to work this way and offshored all the jobs and promise to build the data centers that'll make human work obsolete are responsible. I get it.
 
CEO pay is a meme, Walmart's CEO earns 27.5 million a year and Walmart has 2,1 million employees, if he was earning $0 a year then his employees would get an extra $13 a year. Also movie stars and athletes make more money than CEOs all the time yet there is no movement complaining about how Rihanna has a billion dollars, this is because the people who put these ideas in your head want to replace CEOs but can't replace artists and athletes.

Utter dross, and simplistic math. First of all, salary is but one component (often a small one) of CEO (and CFO - also others but those two especially) comp, unlike for most. Walmart's CEO in 2025 had a putative $1.5M salary, and the rest in various other forms. So at first that seems to support your point - even less improvement to average people from zeroing out just salary. But most of his comp is in shares; the difference for a CEO with 8 or 9-figure comp vs others is that the larger part of his comp increases as he does his job. For average workers, most of their money must be spent to live, not sit somewhere to grow. And their comp absolutely does not grow on the daily merely because they do their job. Also, a CEO with assets can fund any cash shortfall (lol) via low-cost loans, also not available to most proles. But a CEO lije Walmart's won't ever likely need to: Walmart's CEO owns $670M worth if Walmart stock. If it fell by 99%, he'd still have $6.7M.

Second, if you think the average worker has as much input to or influence over his comp as a CEO does, you're high. That is a *material* difference in experience and vulnerability.

Third, here's what's happening: people (from low-level to fairly high) are being displaced by offshoring and AI*, but CEO comp is increasing, both by appreciative Boards and by the net numbers improvements due to slashing humans. Oh, yes, sure, there may some reckoning when AI fucks up big or proves to be not quite capable of doing things right or well, but the downstream effect of that is years away and therefore nonexistent, corporate-wise. Yes, we've got tons of (formerly) people running risk analyses and coming up with liquidity/hedging strategies, but the bottom line is that CEOs preaching adaptability and streamlining are very happy to be rid of pesky, whiny human units.

*Walmart's head of AI got higher total comp than the CEO in 2025.
 
Utter dross, and simplistic math. First of all, salary is but one component (often a small one) of CEO (and CFO - also others but those two especially) comp, unlike for most. Walmart's CEO in 2025 had a putative $1.5M salary, and the rest in various other forms. So at first that seems to support your point - even less improvement to average people from zeroing out just salary.
I used the number 27.5 million, which includes what you talk about, not just the 1.5 million salary, that's still $13 a year if it's divided among all the workers. 27.5 million divided by 2.1 million workers is 13.

Second, if you think the average worker has as much input to or influence over his comp as a CEO does, you're high
I never implied that workers can influence how much CEOs earn, I'm saying it's irrelevant because if they made $0 nothing would change, CEO could be paid five times more money than now and it wouldn't matter.

Third, here's what's happening: people (from low-level to fairly high) are being displaced by offshoring and AI*, but CEO comp is increasing, both by appreciative Boards and by the net numbers improvements due to slashing humans.
Even if I accept all of those things as fact, still if they made $0 a year nothing woud change.

I noticed you didn't address my point about artists and athletes being rich, richer than most CEOs in some cases, and how there is no public discussion about if Messi or Rihanna are overpaid or not. I think you know that the people who forward these ideas want to replace CEOs, but know they can't replace artists and athletes. Your ideas don't make sense once you put numbers in them and once you notice the hypocrisy in calling out only certain rich people (who are not even as rich as artists and athletes). I don't think this is getting anywhere so I'll let you hate men in peace, to bring back the discussion on topic: Men, am I right? :smug:
 
This is a popular opinion in xitter feminist circles and it's meant to be favorable to women: women are complete persons who have other interests, priorities and relationships besides scrotes, scrotes are defective subhuman drones with a damaged chromosome who are autistically focused on MAH PENIS and are run through after one relationship; all moid problems stem from them being salty about getting dumped in high school.

(I disagree: all moid problems stem from them being told to behave in primary school.)
The healthy scrotes probably also have other interests, priorities and relationships. It's the unhealthy scrotes and the chronically online femoids that hate post on Xitter / shit socials like that constantly imho. I do agree with your take though.

how the world/economy goes to shit (due to moids in power).
I know this is a moid hate thread, but I'd like to point out that in most Western countries it's emotional libtard women voting retarded green party type dudes into power. The tanking of the economy is mainly caused by retarded women.
 
I used the number 27.5 million, which includes what you talk about, not just the 1.5 million salary, that's still $13 a year if it's divided among all the workers. 27.5 million divided by 2.1 million workers is 13.
I specifically acknowledged this - called it out, even.

I never implied that workers can influence how much CEOs earn, I'm saying it's irrelevant because if they made $0 nothing would change, CEO could be paid five times more money than now and it wouldn't matter.
No, you didn't; my point was that the situations are dramatically different, not just a matter of dollars.

Even if I accept all of those things as fact
They are fact.

still if they made $0 a year nothing woud change.
Which is not the point. The point is more complex than specific dollars. For instance, when you multiply the salaries/ comp of those losing their jobs, and the resulting impact, the loss far outstrips the basic bitch "CEOs make x." The concern is the impact.

I noticed you didn't address my point about artists and athletes being rich, richer than most CEOs in some cases, and how there is no public discussion about if Messi or Rihanna are overpaid or not.
I don't care about them. If you don't understand the immense impact of corporate decisions on the health of the workforce, that's a you issue. Messi or Rihanna making x is a completely different concept, with different impact.

hypocrisy
Not my concern. I'm talking about real dollars, real jobs, and real economic impact.

I'll let you hate men in peace
Agreed this is a tangent to the thread topic, but in no moment did I say anything about this being about hating men. @crazedaze's point that corporate world/industry is largely headed by men is factual, but my comments were in response to your very simplistic arithmetic and low comprehension assertions.
 
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