Fair points. But the Greens would destroy the country and if you think they've above bringing in laws that would stop parties like Reform or Restore even being allowed to exist you are missing a lot of what they are currently up to.
"would" being the operative word.
Also the Greens will get their mandate if they got in just like Labour did with what they have rolled out since their latest appointment to power. It doesn't matter if it's not what the country wants, if elected they would ride roughshod over any semblance of restraining laws because they will never get this chance again.
As I said in my original post, based on polling, the one thing
@Made In Wales was right about - there's a realistic chance of Reform getting a very significant majority that would let them push through anything they want, would let them disregard the dissenters that Nige hasn't managed to purge yet, and claim they're what people want even as they sell everyone out from under them. I just can't see the Greens - even in the low probability they won, having a large mandate. Their victory would be an open declaration of war between the Marxist-Islamists and everybody else. Whilst Reform would be "our side" and pull the rug out from under the nationalist movement in this country.
I've been quite explicit on why I think Reform are the greater danger and why I want to actively avoid giving them any more ammunition against Restore, which every vote for them is.
True. But what makes any of that not applicable to the Greens?
Because I'm not talking about selling out the country, I'm talking specifically about selling out the nationalist movement and Right Wing in this country. You've obviously read this as "selling out the country". That's not what I wrote. Greens
would be an external blow to the Right and to Nationalists. We are still at the point that the Right can take that blow and punch back. Reform would be... not a punch. It would be the movement sitting down in the ring corner and stopping fighting. Reform are NOT the Right nor the Nationalists. And if these groups appoint or allow Reform to be their leadership or speak on their behalf, the fight goes out of them. All the energy, all the anger, is just used by Farage to further advance Uniparty goals. It goes to giving him an even bigger mandate to pretend that he's giving people what they want.
You know Environmentalists? And how they're different to environmentalists? The latter being people who want rivers not polluted and species not wiped out. And the former being giant NGO lobby groups who want to champion wind farms and trans rights and solidarity with Palestine? And you're aware how every one of the latter ends up finding all their energy and money somehow magically transforms into Greta Thunberg's flotilla or new subsidies for ground dehumidifying bird killing machines instead of clean water? Well Reform is the Right's version of that.
They sold out their party's underlying principles to chase certain voting blocs just as much as Reform did, their only defence is they have been doing so for longer.
I refuse to play "which lizard I want to get in". You're playing to lose if you do that. We've seen what seven decades of this does to the country. You can play to win, you can play to lose slowly or you can play to lose quickly. The trick is to convince people the choice is only between the latter two.
In this case, the voting to lose slowly, is actively working against Restore because as I said at the start, the single and only argument Reform have against Restore is "you'll split the vote". Every single vote for Reform is a tiny boost to give legitimacy to that argument. Voting Reform now with the intent that maybe you'll swap later is counter-productive. By doing so you are actively making your chance to swap later less likely. You're being herded.
Greens if elected would not have any reason to have even a shred of restraint.
Of course not. No party does. There are no good parties, only parties that you can constrain how they behave and parties you cannot. Greens, in the imo low chance they did win, would be and are more so than a likely much stronger Reform government would be.
No party ever gets in and does what they promised because they promised it. Or very rarely. They do it,
if they do it, because the electorate still has them in a position to punish them if they renege. As I said, in the
unlikely event of an actual Green majority which would be shaky and energise nationalist sentiment across the country, I would take that over a dominant Reform which would likely to be strong and defuse any nationalist sentiment and kill it long term.
Perhaps I can put this even more simply: What will determine the direction this country takes, is the level of engagement and anger and passion of the people. The Greens cannot kill that. At least not any time soon. Reform can hurt it severely though. You think the government is the ultimate power in this country, that's the difference. But the government is filled with cowards. The Civil Service is filled with cowards. As all the Islamists know and prove repeatedly in this thread, unity and anger determine government policy. If nationalists and the Right want a future, they cannot throw away their unity and anger with Farage and Reform and see the whole movement dissipate,
EDIT: Yes,
@Morethanabitfoolish , that is my point that you say in the follow up post. We don't have to agree, I just like to make sure any disagreement is not based on misunderstanding. I believe you get my point.
The party that has stated their absolute unwavering zeal to bring in almost 6 million browns a year and give them all our money, is a worse threat to the country than the party that will just maintain the current pipeline of poop.
It's not a worse threat. Because a threat, in the sense of a danger, is a product of likelihood and outcome. Having a piano fall on my head is a worse outcome than having a mugger jump me and punch me in the back of the head, but the latter is the greater
danger.
Anyway. I'm done for the night. I feel anything more is just me repeating my arguments.
