Fat Acceptance Movement / Fat Girlcows

I don't understand how them expanding into smaller sizes hurts anyone who wears a larger size. They're not taking clothes you could have purchased.

A big part of it is that fat chicks see Torrid as "their" store, catering only to them. Normal-sized women can shop just about anywhere else in the mall and find trendy clothes that fit, but Torrid (and, to a lesser extent, Lane Bryant) are the only two stores that cater exclusively to fatties. So it's a retail "safe space," if you will, where fatgirls get a chance to feel important and catered to.

But Torrid's a clothing retailer, there to make a profit, and the young women with the most discretionary income to spend on clothes, and who actually buy the most clothes, are not the mega-fats above size 3X or 24-26. If, as I've seen alleged, the average woman in the US wears a size 14/16--the largest straight size/smallest plus size--then Torrid's missing out on a lot of potential sales by not catering to merely "smallfat" or "in-betweenie" women who wear a size 10-12. So they're now offering clothes to some women on the left side of the bell curve, and many of those on the right side are going all Trigglypuff over it.

But here's another thing: from what I've heard, Torrid's sizing tends to be generous. And if that's the case, a Torrid size 10 is akin to a 12 or 14 in straight-size brands, and an average-height woman who wears a 12 or 14 is pretty darned chubby. If she's really short, she may actually be classifiable as obese. So no, by offering extended smaller sizes, Torrid's not catering to "skinny bitches" with normal BMIs--not unless they're six feet tall, and don't mind shopping at a fatgirl store.

Another thing: Torrid's market is teenagers and young women. If you're 16-20 years old and already big enough to get into Torrid's size 10, chances are very good that you're just going to get fatter, because girls who are fat as teenagers generally tend to stay fat--and get fatter--as adults. So eventually, those "privileged smallfats" who can still shop at regular stores are going to be actual fatties who have to shop plus-size. So why not start establishing brand loyalty to Torrid now, before they blow up, while they can still get excited at "only" being a size 10, and the skinniest girl in the store?

Sure, the current size 3x-and-up fatties will howl, but frankly, they're not Torrid's most profitable customers, and where else are they going to shop? They're a captive audience. So Torrid really doesn't have to do more than pay lip service to them, while doing what it needs to do to ensure profitability.

Oh--and one last thing: Tumblr fatties howling about the use of a hot, slender model in Torrid's ad campaign, and insisting upon a corpulent, cottage-cheesy one in the name of "representation" is a joke. They complain all the time about size-12 "plus size" models with hourglass figures; chunky Ashley Graham is considered too skinny by these folks to be modeling clothes for fatties. But here's the thing: fashion advertising and merchandising is aspirational. It presents clothing in an idealized way, on bodies chosen to make the clothes look good--because it's about showing the clothes to best advantage, and not the body they're on. Clothes that look bad on the model, that draw attention to every bulge, don't sell, because customers don't want to see reality. They don't want to be shown ahead of time how shitty theiy're actually going to look; they long for that magic garment that will transform their lumpy, sagging, overfed body into something approximating sexy, elegant, and beautiful. And yes, as size range of 10-26 is going to be shown on a size 10, and not a 22, because nobody actually wants to look like a size 22 or larger. They just don't.
 
Speaking of plus sized stores, Torrid recently put up a picture of a smaller model in one of their bathing suits on Facebook. View attachment 251429


As usual for any Facebook comment section, not everyone was happy.
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As someone who just got down to a size 16 last year, I can get the frustration of finding clothes that fit. I also have a long torso, which is one reason I shop at Torrid. However, I personally don't give a shit about thinner people shopping there. The most angriest of the comments, 'Green', doesn't even have a picture up of herself. I wonder why.

Fat acceptance =/= shaming smaller women. (Not even necessarily thin women by society's standards, just smaller.) So much for "beauty at every size".

Holy shit. When I read this REEEEEing over jeans I wondered why they didn't by XXL maternity clothes or something for their massive fupas - well I guess that's the answer. Even XXL maternity clothes aren't equipped for thighs that ungodly wide and lumpy just massive bellies.

Of course they can only buy mumus once they get over 350lbs, there's no way to determine where the fuck that fat will go and how it will distort your body when there's that much of it. Fat bitches need to shut up and just pay for some seamstress to make some fucking pants for them because no retailer can custom make clothes for all the disfiguring ways super morbid obesity can effect the body.

At the point where you're wearing bed sheets-- cheaper too.
 
Fat acceptance =/= shaming smaller women. (Not even necessarily thin women by society's standards, just smaller.) So much for "beauty at every size".

That's the thing -- they want everyone to accept them, but can't accept smaller/thin women shopping at 'their' stores or just smaller/thin women in general.
 
Yeah, Lane Bryant, Torrid and other such places use what is technically a 14W, (woman) instead of a 14 misses. Their 14 is comparatively giant, and it's cut for a gut and batwings.

Watching them flip out about Torrid's re-brand was also fun.

Do these fat whales not realize that clothes are priced in large part because of how many can be sold? If they expand their lines to include these other sizes and as a result sell more of them, they don't have to charge as much for each one.
 
Do these fat whales not realize that clothes are priced in large part because of how many can be sold? If they expand their lines to include these other sizes and as a result sell more of them, they don't have to charge as much for each one.
They think "economy of scale" applies only to food packages.
 
Oh--and one last thing: Tumblr fatties howling about the use of a hot, slender model in Torrid's ad campaign, and insisting upon a corpulent, cottage-cheesy one in the name of "representation" is a joke. They complain all the time about size-12 "plus size" models with hourglass figures; chunky Ashley Graham is considered too skinny by these folks to be modeling clothes for fatties. But here's the thing: fashion advertising and merchandising is aspirational. It presents clothing in an idealized way, on bodies chosen to make the clothes look good--because it's about showing the clothes to best advantage, and not the body they're on. Clothes that look bad on the model, that draw attention to every bulge, don't sell, because customers don't want to see reality. They don't want to be shown ahead of time how shitty theiy're actually going to look; they long for that magic garment that will transform their lumpy, sagging, overfed body into something approximating sexy, elegant, and beautiful. And yes, as size range of 10-26 is going to be shown on a size 10, and not a 22, because nobody actually wants to look like a size 22 or larger. They just don't.

This is the part that cracks me up the most. Normal women have their clothes modeled by impossibly thin and incredibly tall models - because everything in fashion advertising is aspirational and never realistic. Fat models have flopped for years because most fat girls imagine they don't look that way, or buying the right clothing will make them look not so fat. They want to buy what looks the very best just like all other women - and clothing looks best on tall, thin bodies.

Why are runway models near anorexic and nearly 6 ft tall? Because designers want walking clothes hangers to show off their clothes, not real or average body types. Ideally you want clothing to drape and hang elegantly on a person - and you can't do that with fat person unless you have a circus tent - but it's easy to do on a 5'11 120 lb model. It's hard to make clothes look bad on a tall, thin woman.

One of my close friends used to work in the publishing world of high fashion. She would show me photographs of really gorgeous, thin women that were all in the reject pile. Why? Because they were short. 5'8 was the bare minimum for fashion modeling (not runway) and 5'10 and above was truly the standard they went for, you had to be something special to get in the door at 5'8. You never hear people complaining about height though, only about weight. Funny thing is that the majority of successful plus size models are very tall girls, but you never hear that commented upon just REEEEing about weight.
 
Do these fat whales not realize that clothes are priced in large part because of how many can be sold? If they expand their lines to include these other sizes and as a result sell more of them, they don't have to charge as much for each one.
They do, and they hate it. They feel it's "unfair" for manufacturers to try to make a profit on circus tents, or deny that it could really cost THAT much more at point of sale to hire a specialized pattern maker, and totally rearrange the piecing to fit plus sizes (piecing is where you cut X number of sizes out of an industry standard fabric roll; plus piecing means you lose multiple "pieces" every normal table size, 70 inches), thus requiring that much more fabric overall to meet the order.
 
Does the source for this have any pictures? I want to see how big this brontosaurus must be to not fit in any clothes made by mankind.

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Someone posted this in the Random Tumblr Posts thread. It seems relevant here.
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Did you know that the more you climb stairs, the better you get at climbing them? Mind blowing.

I can't stand these fuckwits that baw on and on about 'thin privilege' . It's a privilege to be a fat FUCK, because that means you have access to food and resources millions and millions of people don't have.

Keep bawing, fatties. The only privileged people here are yourselves.
"Thin privilege" and "fuck all them skinny bitches" is one of the few dumb tumblr fads that can actually drive me to rage, for this reason.
Like damn, I'd fucking love to have an infinite supply of cookies and burgers.
You gotta be delusional or stupid if you really think less weight = more privilege.
This is not a "fatphobic" point of view. There's just more respect for people who don't take shit for granted, who aren't trying to eat themselves to death, and know that the American beauty standards are strict for everyone.
You don't get attractive bodies by just being born with good metabolism, people.
And god help you if you're from Korea.
 
Look for posts from This Is Thin Privilege signed by "-MG". That's MadGastronomer, and boy does she ever chimp out when anyone suggests it's possible to lose weight.

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Here's someone who claims to know her IRL. What a surprise, she has anger management issues and nasty bipolar mood swings.
I hate it when HAES people compare gym memberships to fad diets like eat only cabbage soup or only drink lemonade. Physical activity is one of the most beneficial and lowest risk things you can do to care for your body. I remember people like Deborah Reber in the 2000s who were basically the proto body positivity movement but they didn't spout this nonsense about how weight loss is impossible.
 
This is the part that cracks me up the most. Normal women have their clothes modeled by impossibly thin and incredibly tall models - because everything in fashion advertising is aspirational and never realistic. Fat models have flopped for years because most fat girls imagine they don't look that way, or buying the right clothing will make them look not so fat. They want to buy what looks the very best just like all other women - and clothing looks best on tall, thin bodies.

Why are runway models near anorexic and nearly 6 ft tall? Because designers want walking clothes hangers to show off their clothes, not real or average body types. Ideally you want clothing to drape and hang elegantly on a person - and you can't do that with fat person unless you have a circus tent - but it's easy to do on a 5'11 120 lb model. It's hard to make clothes look bad on a tall, thin woman.
I know someone who is a seamstress, a big part of their business was bridal parties, but they stopped doing those because, amongst other things, they would have to either radically alter or make from scratch dresses for the larger girls, who were often not happy with how they looked. And they knew that a lot of the women were going to gain weight over the three to six months between the fitting and the wedding, so they would make sure to leave extra material to let it out at the last minute.

All bodies can grow or shrink a bit over a period of months, just from slight changes in diet and activity to even retaining water weight. On larger people this is amplified greatly. I can't imagine what a nightmare it must be to try and account for not only the many different proportions in plus size clothes, but also try and accommodate those fluctuations in the design.

One of my close friends used to work in the publishing world of high fashion. She would show me photographs of really gorgeous, thin women that were all in the reject pile. Why? Because they were short. 5'8 was the bare minimum for fashion modeling (not runway) and 5'10 and above was truly the standard they went for, you had to be something special to get in the door at 5'8. You never hear people complaining about height though, only about weight. Funny thing is that the majority of successful plus size models are very tall girls, but you never hear that commented upon just REEEEing about weight.
I've heard that a lot of the very beautiful women in the adult entertainment industry started out as regular fashion models, but they weren't the right size and shape for their careers to go past a certain level. If you ever see a woman who seemingly has the perfect proportions and look to be a mainstream model, they're usually like 5'2" and couldn't get booked for fashion work.
 
Someone posted this in the Random Tumblr Posts thread. It seems relevant here.
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Did you know that the more you climb stairs, the better you get at climbing them? Mind blowing.

I wonder what fatty thinks about the weight limit on elevators and escalators, considering she probably is just shy of the limit.

Also, fatty, fat ass isn't a disability. Put down the double decker #4 from mcdonald's and get on the stairs.

I feel the tumblr rage already... I'm laughing at them from afar :'D
 
So the under 40 but morbidly obese Fat Heffalump took a "spill" and ended up with a fractured tibia and a bunch of other mangled shit. It's amazing to me how they ruin their bodies and can't even do the most basic tasks like walking without disaster striking. In any other time self inflicted injuries like this would thin the herd, teehee.
" mean the fall itself wasn’t spectacular, unless you count spectacularly embarrassing (thankfully the construction workers I fell in front of were really nice), but the injuries kind of were. Chipped a bone in my wrist, broke the tip off my fibula, turned my right palm and left knee into bloody pulp and sprains in both the wrist and ankle. We didn’t discover the fracture in my ankle until a couple of weeks after I did it, when it didn’t heal. "

She's too fat in the legs for a x-ray scan to pick up on a broken bone; she's probably also too fat for a CT scan. because that would be what they'd use for a fattie when looking for a fracture, due to the depth.
 
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" mean the fall itself wasn’t spectacular, unless you count spectacularly embarrassing (thankfully the construction workers I fell in front of were really nice), but the injuries kind of were. Chipped a bone in my wrist, broke the tip off my fibula, turned my right palm and left knee into bloody pulp and sprains in both the wrist and ankle. We didn’t discover the fracture in my ankle until a couple of weeks after I did it, when it didn’t heal. "

She's too fat in the legs for a x-ray scan to pick up on a broken bone; she's probably also too fat for a CT scan. because that would be what they'd use for a fattie when looking for a fracture, due to the depth.

Can you even imagine falling down (while walking) and doing that to yourself? Like, normal weight people fall down and at worst they sprain an ankle or knee. Imagine the forces needed to snap bones like that. Someone on FPH did the math on the forces fat people are exposed to when they fall compared to normal people and it wasn't pretty.
 
So the under 40 but morbidly obese Fat Heffalump took a "spill" and ended up with a fractured tibia and a bunch of other mangled shit. It's amazing to me how they ruin their bodies and can't even do the most basic tasks like walking without disaster striking. In any other time self inflicted injuries like this would thin the herd, teehee.
For those who don't wish to touch that poop bare-handed, here's an archive link: http://archive.is/fZ4Xo

So, basically, a simple trip-and-fall accident that would have left a normal-sized person with a scraped knee and maybe a sore wrist has, for this deathpig , resulted in sprains and fractures and another layer of debility on top of her obesity-impaired mobility and function. Great.

She might not have even taken a spill in the first place, had she not been such a fatty; normal-weight people, and even your basic chubster, can often react quickly enough to regain balance and not fall. And even if they do, they can fall in a way that avoids serious injury. The Heffalump, on the other hand, was going to hit that pavement no matter what, and with 400 or so pounds of mass acting against her, there was no chance she was going to maneuver to avoid injury to her already-overstressed joints.

One of my longtime personal lolcows broke her ankle in a similar way (stumbling while wearing a pair of Japanese Lolita/tea party shoes with platform soles, because weeb), and it took several weeks before the fracture was discovered. Like the 'lump here, she didn't get an x-ray at first, assuming it was just a sprain. Also like the 'lump, she's an avowed deathpig, albeit a smaller one. Weeks of walking around on her fractured ankle, while also carrying 125+ Freedom Units (~57kg) of excess adipose did so much damage she required surgery to fix it.

Being obese makes everything worse.
 
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