Trainwreck Nailah "Mama Nails" Winkfield / Latasha Spears-Winkfield - Jahi McMath's mother, kept dead child in apartment to play dress-up, put on makeup and paint nails

I've seen a lot of things on this website. I've seen a pedophile masturbate with his own faecal matter. I've seen a pierced septic taint. But this, this whole thread, after one page, made me fucking sick. I thought, like a lot of other threads here, the title was some overexaggerations. But no, you get what you see. This is just on a whole different fucking level. And there are so many questions.

Why haven't the authorities intervened?
How much money has this woman raked in off of her daughters demise?
Why doesn't this have the horrorcow tag?
And where is my horrifying rating?
 
Wanted to toss something into the mix.

There is no concrete proof that Jani was fed a hamburger just after she woke from surgery. No medical personnel witnessed Jahi being fed by her family after surgery and if there was any proof it happened it would have made it into at least one of the physicians statements declaring her brain dead.

In the days just after the case made national news, an anonymous poster on an online news site claimed that she knew for a fact that the family smuggled McDonalds in for Jahi to eat. That statement was offered with no way to verify it, but it got legs and became part of the accepted facts in this case. The statement occurred around January 1, 2014. By that time if Jani bled out due to eating solids, there would have been proof of it in the numerous examinations Jani received to prove she was brain dead. Traces of the burger would have been evident in the aspirated blood or would have been found in the stomach and not a single medical record supports this happening. I cannot find the original reference to the hamburger story but what the public began to learn about Jahi's family made it easy to believe they would be the sorts of assholes who would absolutely have to feed this child the moment she stirred after surgery. She went almost 15 hours without eating - I'm sure they felt she needed to get her strength back up lest she go into starvation mode and get fatter or some such bullshit.

There were also comments from other people who had been in the hospital that day who noted that Jahi's family was loud and obnoxious and that the ICU nurses bent over backwards to accommodate them, permitting too many people at one time to see her after surgery. They also reported that Jahi's family had been eating fast food in a family waiting room. It's believed that someone saw the references to a loud, aggressive clan eating hamburgers, read that Jahi was been given something to eat too soon after surgery (possibly a Popsicle) and either accidentally or deliberately added the hamburger into the story.

On another note, I wonder how much longer this can go on. I'm surprised Jahi looks as good as she does. Various experts stated that Jahi would experience extreme muscular contracture, her intestines would slough out, her brain would liquify and begin to seep out her nose and ears, as well as other disgusting and upsetting processes. Of course Nailah gives us the most sanitized version of Jahi in photographs. Perhaps she is a mass of rot and bed sores but it's hidden. Even if that is the case, Jahi's body is still holding up so much better than anticipated. I had hoped she would become so physically unstable that even Nailah would have been unable to continue on with the ruse. I really hope that her little heart finally stops beating and can't be shocked back into service.

The people who support keeping Jahi alive are some of the stupidest fucking people online. They all hate doctors and think their internet assembled knowledge of how the brain works is par with years of medical training. I remember one genius who begged Nailah to take Jahi to a mental health facility and subject her to ECT because that would start her brain back up like some sort of cerebral jumper cable. The Facebook for Jahi's case is overrun with some of the most frightening examples of how the ability to Google has made everyone more knowledgable than doctors. Essential oils get mentioned a lot, too. I'm surprised no one has tried to raise her out of her bed by laying on of hands.
 
I'd like to thank @Barbarella for not only making this thread while life is bombarding her with shit but for being able to stomach this as well. I remember reading an article about her on the internet when she died, and some commented called out mama nails for using her daughter as a cashcow. Didn't believe him then, but now I agree with him wholeheartedly.

One thing I didnt understand was that apparently Grandma was a nurse at one point of time, and she used a machine to suck blood from the incision site? Are you kidding me?

:powerlevel:I wanted to be a nurse... But after reading the chance thread and this, I'm not so sure anymore (:_(
 
So, why haven't the authorities intervened? They have, but Mama Nails keeps uprooting her brain dead kid.

In essence, she doesn't give a damn about the girl. Just as long as she's getting her nails, her gaudy makeup, her gaudy jewelry and her gaudy bags... she's going to keep Jahi on this earth until she collects more money.

People like Mama Nails give material and "validity" to sites like Stormfront, Niggermania, VNN, Et al. This is plain and simply a money grab. And the eyes are permanently shut due to the fluids leaking and closing them. In other words, the eye crud and the melting corneal liquids are glue to those eyelids.

Mama Nails and her crack team, pun intended, violate "Do No Harm." And personally, if there is a hell... may this witch be the 12:30 appointment after Hitler and his pineapple.
 
If the patient is brain dead there is no consciousness. If someone is in a persistent vegetative state then they can sometimes be aware of their environment.

It sounds like this girl is brain dead though. Is that correct @Barbarella?
Completely brain dead. She'll never wake up. She had every test possible too, more than once, by outside expert doctors as well. The girl had brain swelling and I believe her brain stem herniated out the back. It's an unrecoverable injury.

She is gone, never to return. No miracles there-she's dead.

My theory on the eyes is that medications given to dry out the face. Saliva, nasal secretions, tears, drooling....Jahi can't swallow so saliva goes somewhere. They turn her sometimes, so it gets on the bed, but on her back gravity slides some of it down the neck. But to stop any danger of pneumonia they dry her nasal passengers and saliva up, I think using mannitol? To make up for it they put vaseline on Jahis eyes and cover it with gauze, and do mouthcare to keep things moist.

Her eyes under there may be fixed and dilated or have dolls eyes, but covering them up most of the time protects them. She. Ant blink if something comes her way or get a lash out. So protecting them is safest. And then mom can find cute sunglasses...win/win
 
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I thought they said she was on a feeding tube. Probably ground up and put through the tube with whatever else they put in there.

If she's not being turned properly, she definitely could have gotten bed sores which could have caused the.. issue, but I'm in agreement she probably had already started her period prior. This may also cause the body to lose circulation faster and cause decomp to set in on her body as blood pools toward the lowest parts. (This is how one can tell the position someone died in)



I don't think they were dried out. I think they look like they were glued shut by her own bodily fluids - like the ones you can get when you get pink eye. Possibly on top of makeup. I saw a few pictures where you could see her eyes at an angle, they are definitely full and don't show signs that they've died and dried out. (Unless those pictures are old.)
I don't think the sockets are empty- the eyeballs are still there. I think the surface, the cornea, has been damaged enough to make it really clear that she's dead.

the family causing it was granny nurse deciding to suction out the wound. that right there was the death sentence.

I'd like to thank @Barbarella for not only making this thread while life is bombarding her with shit but for being able to stomach this as well. I remember reading an article about her on the internet when she died, and some commented called out mama nails for using her daughter as a cashcow. Didn't believe him then, but now I agree with him wholeheartedly.

One thing I didnt understand was that apparently Grandma was a nurse at one point of time, and she used a machine to suck blood from the incision site? Are you kidding me?

:powerlevel:I wanted to be a nurse... But after reading the chance thread and this, I'm not so sure anymore (:_(

don't do it. go into anesthesiology instead. it's better money and less pressure ulcers and funguses.
 
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I've often wondered, but never had a platform to ask...the pro-life religious wing-nuts preach ad nauseum that God and Jesus are the only entities who can decide if someone lives or dies, that God has given life etc...so how do they rectify that when a body is being kept alive solely by man-made scientific machinery? Surely if you're going to leave a life in the hands of God, you'd switch all machines off rather than artificial life-giving measures? A ventilation machine is the opposite of allowing God to do his thing, surely? This child would've been buried back in 2013 if they'd left it to God.

I find religious people very confusing.
 
I've often wondered, but never had a platform to ask...the pro-life religious wing-nuts preach ad nauseum that God and Jesus are the only entities who can decide if someone lives or dies, that God has given life etc...so how do they rectify that when a body is being kept alive solely by man-made scientific machinery? Surely if you're going to leave a life in the hands of God, you'd switch all machines off rather than artificial life-giving measures? A ventilation machine is the opposite of allowing God to do his thing, surely? This child would've been buried back in 2013 if they'd left it to God.

I find religious people very confusing.

I assume they think it's because God made man and man made machines? I also find religious people confusing. And to be perfectly honest, the religion of poor people is even more confusing. God doesn't have a problem with four baby daddies? With buying shoes with charity money? With nails so long there's no way you can wipe your own ass?
 
But....but..nshe has reflex twitches. MIRUCAL!!!!

Presumably when she started fountaining blood and went into cardiac shock, god was on a tea-break? But he's making her twitch. Prayuz Bayubee Jeezurs!

(This is not meant to offend believers. Just this vending-machine version of a deity, which is nothing more than ego reinforcement. But I'm going to hell anyway, so...fukkit.)
 
Perhaps there's a large freezer we don't know about in the Winkfield home in regards to the preservation of the body. Her body is being somewhat preserved by O2 and some kind of dialysis, right? I'm confused as to why there wouldn't be more decomposing on the surface level.
Her body is still alive. As long her body has oxygenated blood, the cells still thrive.

Can't say that for the brain. She is dead, but the rest of her body is not.
 
Words are hardly adequate to describe being in this situation. It is not unlike being at the bottom of an ocean with the weight of untold miles of water crushing you from every direction. Even the smallest points of illumination that come with the most unlikeliest of hopes can help you to withstand it.

I understand the difficulty in being told that there is no longer a person behind their eyes. You watch the tears that roll down their cheeks, you tell yourself that you can see the discomfort on their faces. It doesn't help when a doctor tells you this fact with the same tone of voice that he would use when explaining the fuel pump on your Ford is shot.

With insurance (or donations) covering the bills, you tell yourself that one more day, three more days may bring the change needed for an upgrade in prognosis. You hold their hands while nurses swarm in and out on a schedule. You ignore the occasional beeping. The harsh intake of air through the tracheal tube. Honestly, you wait for them to die.

It comes to the point where you deny this is what you are doing, but it is. You want it to be over. You hate yourself for these thoughts, because who wants their parent/child/spouse to just die already? An ocean atop another ocean.

I'm envious that this bitch is spared the horror and despair that a human would feel in similar circumstances. It was the stupidity of herself and her mutant relatives that brought this about, not the cruel hand of fate. I felt sympathy for this woman... until it became clear she was going to ride this child's bloated corpse to a financial windfall. It isn't that she is deluding herself as to the difference between mostly dead and all dead. Everyone feels that when they're forced to confront this, at least if they possess an ounce of compassion for others. Most accept it, some just do not.

There is no Hell too hot for this abomination of a parent and a person.
 
Words are hardly adequate to describe being in this situation. It is not unlike being at the bottom of an ocean with the weight of untold miles of water crushing you from every direction. Even the smallest points of illumination that come with the most unlikeliest of hopes can help you to withstand it.

I understand the difficulty in being told that there is no longer a person behind their eyes. You watch the tears that roll down their cheeks, you tell yourself that you can see the discomfort on their faces. It doesn't help when a doctor tells you this fact with the same tone of voice that he would use when explaining the fuel pump on your Ford is shot.

With insurance (or donations) covering the bills, you tell yourself that one more day, three more days may bring the change needed for an upgrade in prognosis. You hold their hands while nurses swarm in and out on a schedule. You ignore the occasional beeping. The harsh intake of air through the tracheal tube. Honestly, you wait for them to die.

It comes to the point where you deny this is what you are doing, but it is. You want it to be over. You hate yourself for these thoughts, because who wants their parent/child/spouse to just die already? An ocean atop another ocean.

I'm envious that this bitch is spared the horror and despair that a human would feel in similar circumstances. It was the stupidity of herself and her mutant relatives that brought this about, not the cruel hand of fate. I felt sympathy for this woman... until it became clear she was going to ride this child's bloated corpse to a financial windfall. It isn't that she is deluding herself as to the difference between mostly dead and all dead. Everyone feels that when they're forced to confront this, at least if they possess an ounce of compassion for others. Most accept it, some just do not.

There is no Hell too hot for this abomination of a parent and a person.
I'm not too impressed with the situation but Jesus- whatever is said about Mama Nails, she's still lost a child. Sure, she's riding the financial coat-tails of her child's demise, but I honestly think on some level she believes she's doing the right thing and her little girl can survive. I've said it about Gwen and her Flesh Puppets, and I'll say it again- hope is one hell of a drug.
 
Sure, she's riding the financial coat-tails of her child's demise, but I honestly think on some level she believes she's doing the right thing and her little girl can survive. I've said it about Gwen and her Flesh Puppets, and I'll say it again- hope is one hell of a drug.

The thing about this is I don't know what's more bewildering and horrifying- someone knowingly exploiting the death of their child for financial gain, or someone thinking that this is a viable and okay way for an actual human person- brain dead or not- to continue living (?)

Grief does some wild things to your higher reasoning abilities for sure, but do you think that somewhere in there, mama knows that this is all pretty fucked up?
 
I've often wondered, but never had a platform to ask...the pro-life religious wing-nuts preach ad nauseum that God and Jesus are the only entities who can decide if someone lives or dies, that God has given life etc...so how do they rectify that when a body is being kept alive solely by man-made scientific machinery? Surely if you're going to leave a life in the hands of God, you'd switch all machines off rather than artificial life-giving measures? A ventilation machine is the opposite of allowing God to do his thing, surely? This child would've been buried back in 2013 if they'd left it to God.

I find religious people very confusing.
In this specific case the mother has repeatedly said the girl is alive until God stops her heart.
 
Long time lurker here, the Jahi McMath case is something I've been occasionally keeping tabs on since the whole thing started.

Here's a declaration from one of the doctors in response to when Winkfield was attempting to get her daughter trach and gastric tubes inserted via court order. The doctor describes Jahi outwardly as being very well cared for and maintained, but goes on to state that internally her condition is deteriorating. This is from the weeks after McMath's death (January 7th, 2014), so it's very liable that certain things have only gotten worse in the following years. Note the fact that even then her intestinal lining was more or less starting to decompose and that she was passing it, which probably later factored into the whole thing about her mother saying she's started her period.

Most of the deterioration is from the lack of a living brain stem ( and a living brain altogether, of course), which sets her case apart from others like Terri Schiavo, who was in a persistent vegetative state for years with a semi-functioning brain stem. Even in Schiavo's case, when she was finally allowed to die, her autopsy showed that there was considerable brain atrophy and that it only weighed half of what an average brain would. So it's not really unrealistic to assume that Jahi's brain is long past the point of any true recovery, that is, if she was actually diagnosed as being in a pvs. It's probably not entirely liquid or anything by this point, though. ( Here's Schiavo's autopsy report btw, it's kind of an interesting read if you're familiar with her case. )

Most notably right now, is that her mother has used only videos and her own testimony in regards to Jahi actually having any form of meaningful movements to support her belief that her daughter is in fact anything but brain dead. The doctor that she has most recently contacted has apparently not seen Jahi in person and has only seen the videos her mother had taken? Without even getting into how easily it could potentially be for her ( or someone else ) to stage the videos or edit them to make it seem like the autonomous spinal reflexes Jahi's body probably does perform are the direct response to Winkfield's words/instructions, it's really strange to me that an actual doctor would accept just selective footage as an indicator that she is in fact not brain dead. Especially when McMath has been evaluated multiple times in the past regarding the reality of her condition.

Speaking of that, here's a pdf from March this year that includes statements from two doctors who did Jahi's evaluations and declared her brain dead. It goes over all the tests that were performed and what they more or less meant for Jahi's situation. The first doctor's declaration starts on page 14 and the other's on page 35.

All that said, I'm really happy to see a thread about this here with such a well laid out OP! I've usually just been checking the tumblr linked at the bottom of the post every now and then for updates. As for her mother herself, I find the whole thing really sad. It's understandably heartbreaking to lose a child over a surgery that could have been avoided via other means, definitely, but it's also somewhat upsetting to see people hopelessly clinging to the idea that she'll wake up one day. I want to say that it's similar to the whole issue with Gwen too, in that they're both completely delusional about the reality of their children's situation, but at least Claire and Lola are still alive despite their potential lack of sentience.
 
In this specific case the mother has repeatedly said the girl is alive until God stops her heart.

Her heart has already stopped at least once. What happens if a power-cut "stops" her heart? Is GE some kind of deity? (Ackshly, looking at power bills these days, maybe it is :-/ )

Guess she'll rationalise anything. However irrationally.
 
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