Trainwreck Nailah "Mama Nails" Winkfield / Latasha Spears-Winkfield - Jahi McMath's mother, kept dead child in apartment to play dress-up, put on makeup and paint nails

She's trainwreck doubling as a horrorcow because damn, this is pretty fucked up. How are her sibling ever going to move on Nails constantly makes their lives about Jahi?
 
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IDEK said:
Wow. This document gives some pretty interesting information. Looks like Jahi's medical care is being paid by the lovely citizens of New Jersey through the State's Medicaid program. I wonder how the Gofundme is still considered legitimate. Especially when the Winkfield's lawyer claimed the family used about $40,000 to bring Jahi to New Jersey, buy equipment, and to help the family with living arrangements.
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Yes wouldn't medicaid be entitled to all that
 
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cuddle striker said:
notes of Dr Fisher regarding this case
Paul Fisher letter & Objection to Fisher - Thaddeus Pope
http://www.thaddeuspope.com/images/Fisher_letter_and_Objection_to_Fisher.pdf

further information regarding the case, the doctors involved, brain death, and why they want to block the actual doctors from being involved
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4206160/

I have seen a lot of crazy things but I can't imagine being the coroner that had to both sign the death certificate AND the permission for transfer of a dead body for "further care". That poor bastard.

edit: the "doctor" who is saying she is not dead is not medically permitted to diagnose this case.
http://www.cci.drexel.edu/faculty/ssilverstein/1230rrr.pdf
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Not only does professor Pope's website have a wealth of legal documents on the McMath case (http://www.thaddeuspope.com/braindeath/jahimcmath.html), but it's a treasure trove of information on medical futility/brain death/ VSED etc. cases.
If you enjoy reading about vegetable kids and shit (and i know some Kiwis do) it's a great resource.
 
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IDEK said:
Wow. This document gives some pretty interesting information. Looks like Jahi's medical care is being paid by the lovely citizens of New Jersey through the State's Medicaid program. I wonder how the Gofundme is still considered legitimate. Especially when the Winkfield's lawyer claimed the family used about $40,000 to bring Jahi to New Jersey, buy equipment, and to help the family with living arrangements.
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The Schiavo Foundation paid for all of that.
Jahi has the taxpayers of NJ to thank for the rest.
 
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So if the Schiavo Foundation paid to get her to NJ how the hell isn't Medicaid in NJ entitled to the $50,000+ raised on the GFM!?

These people are not even NJ residents and get to totally abuse the states Medicaid for someone that has already been issued a fucking death certificate!
 
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Dorsia.Reservation said:
So if the Schiavo Foundation paid to get her to NJ how the hell isn't Medicaid in NJ entitled to the $50,000+ raised on the GFM!?

These people are not even NJ residents and get to totally abuse the states Medicaid for someone that has already been issued a fucking death certificate!
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This is the stupid loophole:
Why to New Jersey? Because under that state’s religious accommodation law, Jahi is still alive. A New Jersey law on brain death states that the death of an individual:

“Shall not be declared upon the basis of neurological criteria … when the licensed physician authorized to declare death, has reason to believe…that such a declaration would violate the personal religious beliefs of the individual. In these cases, death shall be declared, and the time of death fixed, solely upon the basis of cardio-respiratory criteria.”[1]

Under this exemption, because of Jahi’s religious beliefs doctors in New Jersey may not remove her ventilator. Furthermore, as a living person she is able to remain on health insurance, relieving her family of enormous medical costs.
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Yes to the above but I was reading on Medicaid and if I'm not mistaken any charity she receives would count against being eligible wouldn't it? From what I gather isn't she receiving gifts and cash online from begging? It would be fun to watch her go up against the feds for evasion or fraud. I dunno though I'm hyper and reading boring fed papers makes my head itch.
 
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As a parent I really do feel for her. If anything happened to one of my kids it would absolutely destroy me. But I don't hi k that I would ever choose this path.

The lack of atrophy or damage to her skin may be from massage with oils or creames. The massage would help to loosen the muscles and maybe even help with the tendons tightening too much. The creams and massage it self might help with blood circulation and flow and keep the skin healthy looking. It is a pretty common thing to do for bedridden people (source: I am a caregiver for an elderly relative and have to do this daily) Depending on the level of care she gets, Jahi may just keep going in this state for quite a while, with no real discernable decay or damage to her visible skin.

Now , the skin that is NOT visible may not be in such amazing shape. The whole thing with the period? I believe someone stated that a nurse had been fired for stating publicly that the period that Mama Nails was claiming Jahi had started was just "Crotch rot" and seepage from the area. This is a possibility, and some of the doctors info suggests it may be true.

Mama Nails has chosen to let her daughter exist like this, for her own personal benefit and nothing else. She doesn't think Jahi is gonna make it, which is proven by the state of Jahi's eyes. Why ruin her eyes like this if you KNOW your child is going to wake up again? You wouldn't. This is just her gravy train and she will ride it into the ground.

Add to this the fact the Bio dad isn't around any more, and Nails even uses her current bedwarmer as Jahi's father and mentions him in a recent case. Granny isn't there anymore either, and when was the last visit of Juju? Been a minute, right?
 
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Cake Farts said:
I'd like to thank @Barbarella for not only making this thread while life is bombarding her with shit but for being able to stomach this as well. I remember reading an article about her on the internet when she died, and some commented called out mama nails for using her daughter as a cashcow. Didn't believe him then, but now I agree with him wholeheartedly.

One thing I didnt understand was that apparently Grandma was a nurse at one point of time, and she used a machine to suck blood from the incision site? Are you kidding me?

:powerlevel:I wanted to be a nurse... But after reading the chance thread and this, I'm not so sure anymore (:_(
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Powerleveling but I can confirm having an elderly relative who used to be a nurse is the WORST thing when you have a loved one in ICU or some shit. They sometimes think they know as much as, if not MORE, than the doctors, because one time thirty years ago they worked for some really dumb doctor who made a mistake and now they're convinced if they don't stay in that room to intervene every single moment, Something Will Go Wrong.

Having a former nurse visiting in the hospital is sometimes worse than the most inept visitor, because they might assume they know what's best and will correct (and annoy) the actual nurses and staff. I wasn't at all surprised to hear that grandma acquired a suction device from somewhere and just started "helping."
 
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Fresh Grown Breasts said:
I've often wondered, but never had a platform to ask...the pro-life religious wing-nuts preach ad nauseum that God and Jesus are the only entities who can decide if someone lives or dies, that God has given life etc...so how do they rectify that when a body is being kept alive solely by man-made scientific machinery? Surely if you're going to leave a life in the hands of God, you'd switch all machines off rather than artificial life-giving measures? A ventilation machine is the opposite of allowing God to do his thing, surely? This child would've been buried back in 2013 if they'd left it to God.

I find religious people very confusing.
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Nothing to be confused about...death is super scary and deciding to end someone's life is hard and makes you feel icky inside so just avoid it by saying only God can do it. Then use machines to keep everyone alive so you can keep passing the buck to God. It's just an easy way to say, "I don't wanna do it, someone else decide for me."

Unless it's like, people dying on the other side of the world that you don't care about. Funnily enough, a lot of pro-lifers don't give a crap what happens to refugees or starving children. They're not in favor of saving lives, they're just in favor of avoiding being the person who ends one, for whatever reason.
 
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Nothing to be confused about...death is super scary and deciding to end someone's life is hard and makes you feel icky inside so just avoid it by saying only God can do it. Then use machines to keep everyone alive so you can keep passing the buck to God. It's just an easy way to say, "I don't wanna do it, someone else decide for me."

Unless it's like, people dying on the other side of the world that you don't care about. Funnily enough, a lot of pro-lifers don't give a crap what happens to refugees or starving children. They're not in favor of saving lives, they're just in favor of avoiding being the person who ends one, for whatever reason.
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Yes, and it's super weird because they are supposed to believe one goes to heaven and get everlasting beauty or sit on clouds and meet God or whatever. So why they are so scared is beyond my ability to understand. Didn't they create this whole heaven story to make death ok?

We all die. It's sad when it's a kid for sure and horribly life altering for the family-but atheists who don't believe in an afterlife seem to be able to grasp the science and do what should be done. Maybe it takes a couple days to get there but they do. Why not the people who believe life goes on after death? Crazy. Makes zero sense.

(I'm not saying all Christians or fundies are like that-I've nothing against religion when it comforts people. But it does seem the people who do this kind of terrible thing are Christians)
 
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Depends on the nurse, depends on the doctor, and depends on what they're talking about.

Nurses don't know better than doctors so much as they know different. A second-year student nurse is actually more likely than a qualified doctor to know how to perform a lot of practical procedures related to patient care simply because they've done them far more often. Doctors are seldom called upon to, for example, remove a cannula, a procedure student nurses perform repeatedly. They also spend far more time around individual patients than a doctor would and are better-placed to notice when something Just Doesn't Look Right, simply because they know the patient as a person rather better. And any junior doctor who thinks they can entirely ignore the observations and advice of a nurse with twenty years' experience simply because they're coming from a nurse is, quite frankly, an arrogant idiot.

Amy nurse who thinks she can diagnose like a doctor and order treatment like a doctor and, in many cases, lead in its delivery like a doctor is also an arrogant idiot, mind. And any LN who shows up as a visitor and starts waving a yankauer sucker around in an ITU setting because step aside you don't know nothing is a dangerous idiot at that.
 
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MysticMisty said:
Since when does kindergarten have graduation ceremonies complete with caps and gowns anyways? I definitely did not have any sort of end-of-year ceremony at that age.
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I think it's a new thing and more heavily pushed (but certainly not exclusive) in poorer areas with high drop out rates. I think it's to encourage the kids to keep pursuing education by showering attention on them for something as basic as kindergarden completion. Also, given high high school drop out rates in many areas these faux-graduation ceremonies for passing grade levels maybe the only ones the kids get.

I personally think it's stupid but on the other hand I've worked with populations where education is so undervalued, even sneered at, so giving some pomp and circumstance to kindergardeners might help engage the kids and parents a bit more. Education might not appeal to them but attention, parties and praise does. Mamma Nails strikes me as exactly the type of parent these things are aimed at - the parent who would be prouder of their kid beating someone's ass at school than brining home good grades. Dressing up their kids in airbrushed cap & gown and having a crowd clap for them engages more of these parents far more than sitting down every night and reading with their children or engaging in active learning activities.
 
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