#UniteTheRight march at UVA, - You know this will turn ugly.

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Munchingonfish said:
I find it interesting you went with that crowd and not the group that thinks if a 54-year-old man says he's a 7-year-old girl, then he's actually a 7-year-old girl.

One group of insane aslyum escapees are likelier to hold public office without their dirt being brought out.
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Well the entire fourth estate spends over a year declaring anyone not firmly in their camp is a literal nazi and that the left is fighting for civil rights, I'm not surprised at anyone thinking nazis are an imminent threat despite all the evidence.
 
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AutistocLolCow said:
Technically we're still riding the boomer's bullshit. Yet they blame everything to Millenials.
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They spent the last twenty years blaming Generation X, too, and now we're holding the bag while the Boomers retire to Florida and contract whatever STDs they didn't collect at Woodstock.
 
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Is the implication here that tolerance led to the Holocaust?
 
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Johnny Bravo said:
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Is the implication here that tolerance led to the Holocaust?
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Tolerance against hate is the point.
You cant reason with a moron who wants to kill you just for merely existing. All while touting themselves as superior and being told you were the reason they are in the shit right now.

In the US case, they love to blame whatever "bad hombre" is hot at the moment. First the reds, then the blacks, then the mexicans and now the "brown people".

So technically the image shows that there must be a line to be drawn.
Just like free of speech does not lets you be completely free to cause mayhem by screaming FIRE or in today's cases..HALLAHU AKBAR or similar terrorist shouts to cause chaos.
 
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Johnny Bravo said:
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Yes and no. Popper's a smart guy (His work shifted the view of scientific philosophy away from inductivism and towards the contemporary view of empirical falsification), and this quote is basically just saying "You can't have a free society and also let people who want to oppress others run around doing whatever they want" (Just like he says "You can't have a society that tolerates free speech AND lets people attack the concept of free speech all the time" elsewhere in the same book). However, people love to lift his work out of context to go "FUCK GLUMPH KILL NAZIS" due to that "outside of the law" phrasing (By this he meant "don't let bigots seize political power and use it to enact bigotry", not "If you do wrongthink, you should be killed".)
 
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AutistocLolCow said:
Tolerance against hate is the point.
You cant reason with a moron who wants to kill you just for merely existing. All while touting themselves as superior and being told you were the reason they are in the shit right now.

In the US case, they love to blame whatever "bad hombre" is hot at the moment. First the reds, then the blacks, then the mexicans and now the "brown people".

So technically the image shows that there must be a line to be drawn.
Just like free of speech does not lets you be completely free to cause mayhem by screaming FIRE or in today's cases..HALLAHU AKBAR or similar terrorist shouts to cause chaos.
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Senior Lexmechanic said:
Yes and no. Popper's a smart guy (His work shifted the view of scientific philosophy away from inductivism and towards the contemporary view of empirical falsification), and this quote is basically just saying "You can't have a free society and also let people who want to oppress others run around doing whatever they want" (Just like he says "You can't have a society that tolerates free speech AND lets people attack the concept of free speech all the time" elsewhere in the same book). However, people love to lift his work out of context to go "FUCK GLUMPH KILL NAZIS" due to that "outside of the law" phrasing (By this he meant "don't let bigots seize political power and use it to enact bigotry", not "If you do wrongthink, you should be killed".)
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I meant the comic built around Popper's quote. It seems like an extremely poor method of explaining what he meant.
 
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AutistocLolCow said:
Tolerance against hate is the point.
You cant reason with a moron who wants to kill you just for merely existing. All while touting themselves as superior and being told you were the reason they are in the shit right now.
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Yeah, like all those white people being blamed by Pee Oh Cees for every single one of their problems in life.

Oh that's not what you meant.

AutistocLolCow said:
In the US case, they love to blame whatever "bad hombre" is hot at the moment. First the reds, then the blacks, then the mexicans and now the "brown people".
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What alternate universe do you live in? You can make yourself permanently unemployable by the social media mob in America by saying anything remotely "racist" against anyone darker than chalk. Does that sound like a racist country that's oppressing brown people?

This is like western women complaining they're "oppressed" in a society where you can easily ruin a man's life with a proven false accusation of rape.

AutistocLolCow said:
So technically the image shows that there must be a line to be drawn.
Just like free of speech does not lets you be completely free to cause mayhem by screaming FIRE or in today's cases..HALLAHU AKBAR or similar terrorist shouts to cause chaos.
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Boy that "fire in a crowded theater" thing is an absolute tard detector of a phrase.

No, the image is mistaken and misrepresenting Popper's arguments.

No, it's not a good idea to try to shut down "intolerant" people. They don't stop talking in private when they're forced to be silent in public. Without public discussion of bad ideas the people who don't know anything about those ideas won't learn why they're bad... or, as the case may be, why the Nazi-Punching Tolerance Police are actually mistaken in their arguments, no matter how convinced they are of their own moral perfection. Not to mention people don't like authoritarianism and often defy it more often just because it pisses them off. (I would think everyone at the Farms would understand that one.)

No, it's not illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
 
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If you want a society that allows multiple groups of people their own diverse opinions and cultures you must grant protections to all, not only the ones you like. Nazism is a subjective opinion, SJWism is a subjective opinion, the human condition is a subjective opinion. By allowing a subjective opinion to dictate our morals as a society you enable actual fascism where diverse opinions/motives are not allowed.

You prevent Nazi's from gaining power by strictlying adhereing to free speech and individual protections which is antithetical to national socialism. This also happens to exclude lots of other societal systems like Communism.
 
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CrunkLord420 said:
If you want a society that allows multiple groups of people their own diverse opinions and cultures you must grant protections to all, not only the ones you like. Nazism is a subjective opinion, SJWism is a subjective opinion, the human condition is a subjective opinion. By allowing a subjective opinion to dictate our morals as a society you enable actual fascism where diverse opinions/motives are not allowed.

You prevent Nazi's from gaining power by strictlying adhereing to free speech and individual protections which is antithetical to national socialism. This also happens to exclude lots of other societal systems like Communism.
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I get what you are saying, but your whole post could be condensed in two sentences by someone with more language ability than I have.
 
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I get what you are saying, but your whole post could be condensed in two sentences by someone with more language ability than I have.
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People with basic political and historical understanding wouldn't need it described to them like this, yet here we are.
 
AutistocLolCow said:
Tolerance against hate is the point.
You cant reason with a moron who wants to kill you just for merely existing. All while touting themselves as superior and being told you were the reason they are in the shit right now.

In the US case, they love to blame whatever "bad hombre" is hot at the moment. First the reds, then the blacks, then the mexicans and now the "brown people".

So technically the image shows that there must be a line to be drawn.
Just like free of speech does not lets you be completely free to cause mayhem by screaming FIRE or in today's cases..HALLAHU AKBAR or similar terrorist shouts to cause chaos.
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In all seriousness it would be nice to try to educate and get people involved in hate groups to leave and disavow their hate. However I feel as though some people are probably irredeemable at this point. People like David Duke will never change no matter how much anyone tries to "open a dialog" with him. Instead assholes like him need to be dealt with in other manners.

There's always been an "other" that mainstream America has feared. Throughout it's entire history. Back in the 1800s through a good part of the 20th century there was a fear of Catholics. People thought the Catholics would take over America replace the President and turn America into a puppet state for the Pope. It's been done with countless other groups too.

One thing a lot of people forget and misinterpret about "freedom of speech" is that freedom of speech means they can say whatever they want and other people can't do anything about it. It's not restricting anyone's freedom of speech to counter protest against your protest. And some of the assholes who took place in the rally are learning that there is indeed consequences to their actions.
 
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Racist Trash said:
I can't believe that Alex Jones isn't just an act that has had to get more ludicrous because it makes easy money from both sides.

I watched his Pokémon go video when it first came out and it seemed like he was trying to stop himself from laughing at points.
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It is an act. He's got himself a sweet gig that he's probably doing very well with, and he'll continue doing it for as long as it pays. I respect his hustle, and frankly, it doesn't really matter if he believes everything he talks about or not. He provides a platform for guests that wouldn't be heard elsewhere and even if he doesn't actually subscribe to what he's reporting on, he does so with passion and gusto and at least tries to present it with as much authenticity as possible.

He reminds me of Art Bell, the old radio host of Coast to Coast AM. Even if you don't believe in UFO's, vast government conspiracies, and shadow people, you can at least respect the man's patience and his passion for the unusual subject matter his show tackled.
 
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Jesus, so far as internet shitloss goes, this is just... not dying down. At all.
 
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