Some Historian Tries to do a History Lesson on Twitter - AKA some twitter guy spergs about Nazis and socialism to another sperg

Disclaimer: Made this thread after discussing with @GethN7 over Nazis and Socialism.

On Twitter, there exist a guy named Ian Miles Cheong, a right wing journalist who was part of an autistic screeching match from 3 years ago. Today, he writes for some right wing rags and spergs on Twitter where unsurprisingly, he has spergs that are fans and detractors. Lately, he said Nazis are socialist. Cue some guy whose into history sperging out about it. It apparently was loud enough to prompt a website to make an article on it while spergs come in and tell Ian how badly he got owned (never mind the fact its Twitter and its home to all sorts of sperging autism).

https://www.indy100.com/article/naz...macists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001

tl;dr some historian makes a bunch of Twitter post that may as well be as long as a @Jaimas post, explaining Nazis to a journalist in how they aren't socialist. He could of just saved people the trouble and put it on a Twitlonger.
 
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To be fair, they were called the Nationalsozialismus. That kinda gives the answer.

As Hitler put it:
It is not Germany that will turn Bolshevist but Bolshevism that will become a sort of National Socialism. Besides, there is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it…. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communist always will.
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As quoted in Hermann Rauschning

I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit… The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it… National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.
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If you look at some of his policies, they were very socialist. Major work programs,

  1. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
  2. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
  3. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
  4. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
  5. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
  6. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
  7. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
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As stated in the 25 point program of the NSDAP. Even if you listen to some White Nationalists or Neo-Nazi's today, most of them are in favor of silencing free speech, and identitarian policies that the far left espouse.
 
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Crisseh said:
To be fair, they were called the Nationalsozialismus. That kinda gives the answer.

As Hitler put it:
As quoted in Hermann Rauschning



If you look at some of his policies, they were very socialist. Major work programs,



As stated in the 25 point program of the NSDAP. Even if you listen to White Nationalist today, most of them are in favor of silencing free speech, and identitarian policies that the far left espouse.
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Funny thing, the historian in the article did say the Nazis had used some socialist ideas. He did however say in another tweet that indisputably they were fascist and the socialism part was a misnomer. He also didn't really seem to provide any links to back up the claims.
 
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Funny thing, the historian in the article did say the Nazis had used some socialist ideas. He did however say in another tweet that indisputably they were fascist and the socialism part was a misnomer. He also didn't really seem to provide any links to back up the claims.
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I tend to take people at their own words. He uses Krupp as an excuse that somehow a business making $$ automatically makes it non-socialist. But a socialist and even communist society can be quasi capitalist. Look no further than China. Where the government has their hands in most business, and have say. But private individuals can still run a business.

Revisionists like to pretend that Hitler didn't have policies or plans that were socialist at least in nature. These are the same people who apologize or sweep under Communism because its inconvenient.

Regardless of right or left, both Communism and Fascism are two heads of the same hydra in a sense. Big government interventionism, with totalitarian leaders. Both are pernicious and seek to control most aspects of society.
 
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c-no said:
Disclaimer: Made this thread after discussing with @GethN7 over Nazis and Socialism.

On Twitter, there exist a guy named Ian Miles Cheong, a right wing journalist who was part of an autistic screeching match from 3 years ago. Today, he writes for some right wing rags and spergs on Twitter where unsurprisingly, he has spergs that are fans and detractors. Lately, he said Nazis are socialist. Cue some guy whose into history sperging out about it. It apparently was loud enough to prompt a website to make an article on it while spergs come in and tell Ian how badly he got owned (never mind the fact its Twitter and its home to all sorts of sperging autism).

https://www.indy100.com/article/naz...macists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001

tl;dr some historian makes a bunch of Twitter post that may as well be as long as a @Jaimas post, explaining Nazis to a journalist in how they aren't socialist. He could of just saved people the trouble and put it on a Twitlonger.
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You know, when I longpost, I at least try and have a fucking point that can't be refuted with 20 seconds and a DuckDuckGo search.
 
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Much as he pisses off others, he can still be a sperg and make a fool of himself, especially since this is all on Twitter and he's been sperging before that.
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He was definitely a lolcow when he was sjw, but after jumping ship he seemed to mellow out for a while. He's been picking up steam again lately though, I think it's because he feels like he has cred and it's gone to his head.
 
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Ineedahero said:
He was definitely a lolcow when he was sjw, but after jumping ship he seemed to mellow out for a while. He's been picking up steam again lately though, I think it's because he feels like he has cred and it's gone to his head.
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It wouldn't be surprising for Ian still be something of a lolcow or sperg. One of his news articles did speak of boob sliders. On that same note though, while detractors can have a point, they can end up being weens when the only thing they can say as a burn is spamming ants and emojis which may as well be the IMC equivalent to JULAY. Also note that before he was an SJW, he was something of a neo-Nazi.
 
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Literally Adolf Hitler said:
The red color of our posters in itself drew them to our meeting halls. The run-of-the-mill bourgeoisie were horrified that we had seized upon the red of the Bolsheviks, and they regarded this as all very ambiguous. The German national souls kept privately whispering to each other the suspicion that basically we were nothing but a species of Marxism, perhaps Marxists, or rather, socialists in disguise. For to this very day these scatterbrains have not understood the difference between socialism and Marxism. Especially when they discovered that, as a matter of principle, we greeted in our meetings no'ladies and gentlemen' but only 'national comrades,' and among ourselves spoke only of party comrades, the Marxist spook seemed demonstrated for many of our enemies. How often we shook with laughter at these simple bourgeois scare-cats, at the sight of their ingenious witty guessing games about our origin, our intentions, and our goal.
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lol people fell for Hitler's trolling hard. His socialism was never the same thing as Marxist Socialism or Democratic Socialism or whoever people want to blame these days.

source: mein kampf chapter 7
 
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c-no said:
tl;dr some historian makes a bunch of Twitter post that may as well be as long as a @Jaimas post, explaining Nazis to a journalist in how they aren't socialist. He could of just saved people the trouble and put it on a Twitlonger.
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They aren't, though. It's still like arguing whether puke is shit in reverse or something, though.

Nazis weren't opposed to "socialism" as some general concept. They were opposed specifically to the Bolshevik Communists who were, at that point in history, in a very scary attempt to take over the entire world. Without the presence of Communists as an obviously scary (and conveniently Jewish-looking) enemy, Nazis would not have been able to take over Germany.

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Also note that before he was an SJW, he was something of a neo-Nazi.
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Yeah but he was that weird kind of Asian neo-Nazi who when you point it out, kind of backs away from it.
 
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Nazism was a mishmash of ideas from a variety of different ideologies. It was definitely fascist, but it was also definitely socialist. Saying it wasn't socialism, when they literally called themselves national socialists, based on some arbitrary purity test that also rules out every other socialist regime (unless the author likes one of them), is just no true scotsmanning.

Most importantly, arguing over whether such and such old ideology is left or right is retarded, since left and right didn't mean the same thing back then and usually don't mean the same thing from person to person today.
 
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