ANTIFA / Antifascist Action / Antifaschistische Aktion - The anti-fascist gang with fascist tendencies

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Keeping panicing motherfucker. :story:
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Save the Loli said:
Once Antifa gets rid of the fascists, they got to give liberals the bullet like they said they would. I guess they'll be called Antilib then. Once they do that, we'll all live in peaceful happy anarchist utopia since capitalism will be dead and without capitalism everyone loves each other and all bad things in the world go away and no one would ever try and bring capitalism back and no one would ever try and make a government ever again.

That's Antifa's endgame.
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This is what I keep trying to tell people who defend Antifa by saying "They're just trying to keep people safe from fascism". They're communists, and the utopia that they're trying to achieve requires ALL opposition to be removed. They're just going after acceptable targets right now in order to gain people's trust so that they can gradually move that threshold to accommodate more people who disagree with them.
 
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AnOminous said:
The endgame is they eventually do some dumb shit on the level of the Haymarket Riots and cause a huge backlash against their stupid fucking positions. This shit has NEVER worked in history in the U.S.
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The question is, how soon?
 
Broseph Stalin said:
Go on...
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The Haymarket Riots happened while striking workers demonstrated in Chicago. A bomb went off and the demonstration went to a full riot. This was used as an excuse that the striking workers were a bunch of anarchists and needed to be stopped.

There is evidence that the person who planted the bomb was in the employ of one of the bosses (the striking workers worked at the stock yards, rail yards, factories, etc) to defame the striking workers.
 
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breadandcircuses said:
The Haymarket Riots happened while striking workers demonstrated in Chicago. A bomb went off and the demonstration went to a full riot. This was used as an excuse that the striking workers were a bunch of anarchists and needed to be stopped.

There is evidence that the person who planted the bomb was in the employ of one of the bosses (the striking workers worked at the stock yards, rail yards, factories, etc) to defame the striking workers.
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Source? Just saying "there is evidence" isn't evidence.
 
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breadandcircuses said:
The Haymarket Riots happened while striking workers demonstrated in Chicago. A bomb went off and the demonstration went to a full riot. This was used as an excuse that the striking workers were a bunch of anarchists and needed to be stopped.

There is evidence that the person who planted the bomb was in the employ of one of the bosses (the striking workers worked at the stock yards, rail yards, factories, etc) to defame the striking workers.
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Ruin said:
Source? Just saying "there is evidence" isn't evidence.
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Preferably from sources that are neutral, as in no relation to ANTIFA or anti-Communist groups.
 
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Ruin said:
Source? Just saying "there is evidence" isn't evidence.
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The fact that the 8 people convicted of the crime were both completely unconnected to any kind of bomb making and happened to be 8 of the largest labor organizers in Chicago?

The actual bomb throwing anarchist was never caught.
 
breadandcircuses said:
The fact that the 8 people convicted of the crime were both completely unconnected to any kind of bomb making and happened to be 8 of the largest labor organizers in Chicago?

The actual bomb throwing anarchist was never caught.
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By source I mean a link to an actual paper in a peer reviewed history journal or something. Those are just your opinions.
 
Ruin said:
Source? Just saying "there is evidence" isn't evidence.
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There's a reasonably complete article here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

Actions like this were also not only openly advocated for by anarchists of the time as "propaganda of the deed," but also carried out more than once. I am always skeptical of conspiracy theories exonerating people accused of doing exactly what they repeatedly previously stated they intend to do and openly advocated for.
 
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I'm trying to find it, honestly, and it's been difficult to find something unbiased.

God damn it. I remember read about this years ago...

Edit: Well, yes. There's the Wikipedia article, but I meant about the whole theory that the actual bomb thrower did so under orders of the factory bosses.
 
breadandcircuses said:
The fact that the 8 people convicted of the crime were both completely unconnected to any kind of bomb making and happened to be 8 of the largest labor organizers in Chicago?

The actual bomb throwing anarchist was never caught.
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That part's convenient and I've never been convinced all the "conspirators" were guilty. The person most likely to have been the actual bomber was conveniently allowed to flee overseas.

My general point in relation to antifa, though, and the anarchists of the early 20th Century are their spiritual forebears, is that actions like this invariably harm the cause they're taken in pursuit of. Even merely advocating for shit like this also makes it incredibly easy to frame you for it if the need ever arises, never mind if you're stupid enough actually to do it.

I don't see any reason the bosses would have had to do a setup here, though. Why do that when you can just wait for some unstable idiot extremist to do it for you?
 
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