Twitter 9/29 - Chris rationalizes stealing fanart

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Professional_Sneak said:
Correct me if I'm wrong; The digital art world has a lot of gray areas in terms of copyright, but I'm pretty sure even if his copyright was useful (which it isn't)
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Depends on what you're trying to do with it. A lot of people produce fanart that they couldn't legally profit from. But sometimes people will steal fanart, like in this very situation, and in that case, their copyright would be very useful to get the infringement taken down.
Professional_Sneak said:
He can't legally claim fanart that he didn't make himself just because it happens to be of his characters. The fan artist holds a form of copyright/ownership on the piece itself,
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Correct. Putting a new work into a fixed medium confers copyright protection.
Professional_Sneak said:
even if the characters in it are copyrighted. Basically, they just can't make money off of it without consent of the creators of the copyrighted character.
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You can't copyright characters. You can only copyright works. So Disney doesn't have a copyright on Mickey Mouse (but they do have trademarks, which is another thing entirely), but they have copyrights on the individual works that Mickey Mouse has appeared in. Making a fan work based on Mickey Mouse would be a derivative work. You have copyright on derivative works, but you need permission from the original copyright holder to publish.

Basically: you own it, you just can't do anything with it without permission.
Professional_Sneak said:
Of course, none of this matters when your dealing with a copyright infringing character in the first place. Chris' art is considered fan art by standard definition (because it's obviously derivative of 2 major franchise characters) though he'd never admit it, so he has even less right to steal another fan work of the same derivative character.
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It matters a little. You can assert your rights even if someone else has rights over what you're doing. You just can't get any money out of it.

Though honestly, I've always argued that Sonichu isn't really that infringing. Very little of Sonichu's plot is predicated on pokemon / sonic bullshit, for example. Even less nowadays, now that it's all about Chris' weird domestic tranquility stories.

Awhile ago, I started a thread to go over how what you'd actually need to trim from each issue of Sonichu to remove the infringements. (I got bored after a few issues, but you get the idea.) The answer? Surprisingly little. It turns out that Sonichu isn't really about Sonic and Pokemon. Sonichu is about Chris' petty revenge fantasies and a mish mash of boring cartoon plots. Call Sonichu a Pokemon or call him a... speedrat or whatever, it doesn't really change the comics very much. Even visually Sonichu isn't very infringing. All cartoon animal bodies look the same.

If Chris really wanted to, he could clean Sonichu up, copyright wise and he'd get to keep 90%+ of the comic. They did that with Fifty Shades of Grey, which was originally a Twilight fanfiction. But I think Chris is hardcore, irrationally attached to the Sonic and Pokemon elements, they're like a comfort blanket in his little autistic world.
 
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Marvin said:
Depends on what you're trying to do with it. A lot of people produce fanart that they couldn't legally profit from. But sometimes people will steal fanart, like in this very situation, and in that case, their copyright would be very useful to get the infringement taken down.

Correct. Putting a new work into a fixed medium confers copyright protection.

You can't copyright characters. You can only copyright works. So Disney doesn't have a copyright on Mickey Mouse (but they do have trademarks, which is another thing entirely), but they have copyrights on the individual works that Mickey Mouse has appeared in. Making a fan work based on Mickey Mouse would be a derivative work. You have copyright on derivative works, but you need permission from the original copyright holder to publish.

Basically: you own it, you just can't do anything with it without permission.

It matters a little. You can assert your rights even if someone else has rights over what you're doing. You just can't get any money out of it.

Though honestly, I've always argued that Sonichu isn't really that infringing. Very little of Sonichu's plot is predicated on pokemon / sonic bullshit, for example. Even less nowadays, now that it's all about Chris' weird domestic tranquility stories.

Awhile ago, I started a thread to go over how what you'd actually need to trim from each issue of Sonichu to remove the infringements. (I got bored after a few issues, but you get the idea.) The answer? Surprisingly little. It turns out that Sonichu isn't really about Sonic and Pokemon. Sonichu is about Chris' petty revenge fantasies and a mish mash of boring cartoon plots. Call Sonichu a Pokemon or call him a... speedrat or whatever, it doesn't really change the comics very much. Even visually Sonichu isn't very infringing. All cartoon animal bodies look the same.

If Chris really wanted to, he could clean Sonichu up, copyright wise and he'd get to keep 90%+ of the comic. They did that with Fifty Shades of Grey, which was originally a Twilight fanfiction. But I think Chris is hardcore, irrationally attached to the Sonic and Pokemon elements, they're like a comfort blanket in his little autistic world.
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But then it wouldn't be his true and honest work of 100% originality Sonichu and Rosechu!
 
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Chris has been notorious about stealing art and tracing.
I swear to you only Autistic people do this, all people that use other artist works without their permission act the same way.
 
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According to CWC logic, Nintendo and SEGA (and all the other copyright holders Chris has parroted) can freely use Sonichu without paying royalties or even asking Chris.

TrunksFromDragonballGT said:
Yeah, this definitely has Jessica written all over it.
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Not Dobson?

Sonicsis said:
I swear to you only Autistic people [plagiarize art]
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Others can do it too. People with autism who do that can suck at lying, so they're worse at covering it up -- making it seem like only they do it.
 
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Professional_Sneak said:
"Well, Sonichu and Rosechu are mine anyway so it doesn't matter."
Correct me if I'm wrong; The digital art world has a lot of gray areas in terms of copyright, but I'm pretty sure even if his copyright was useful (which it isn't) He can't legally claim fanart that he didn't make himself just because it happens to be of his characters. The fan artist holds a form of copyright/ownership on the piece itself, even if the characters in it are copyrighted. Basically, they just can't make money off of it without consent of the creators of the copyrighted character.
Of course, none of this matters when your dealing with a copyright infringing character in the first place. Chris' art is considered fan art by standard definition (because it's obviously derivative of 2 major franchise characters) though he'd never admit it, so he has even less right to steal another fan work of the same derivative character.
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Chris might own the character of Sonichu, but he can never use it, because it's based on two characters owned by corporations. Likewise, Chris might own the character of Sonichu in a fan drawing, but be unable to use it because he doesn't own the actual design the fan artist used.

Basically, Chris, the same wiggle room that lets you "own" Sonichu means someone else can "own" DNA drawings of the characters. And none of it does anyone any good because it's all too autistic to show in public.
 
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