Culture Downs syndrome man speaks out against Planned Parenthood's final solution - The first holocaust to have actually happened?

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On Wednesday, Frank Stephens, who has Down syndrome and also has had a successful career as an actor, gave a powerfully moving and poignant speechbefore Congress as he combated those who would abort fetuses diagnosed with Down syndrome, telling a congressional committee that proponents of aborting fetuses with Down syndrome are pushing a “final solution” and asserting that his life is "worth living."

He plaintively asked, "Seriously, I don't feel I should have to justify my existence. Is there really no place for us in the world? Surely happiness is worth something.”

Stephens referred to a recent report stating that almost 100% of unborn babies with Down syndrome are aborted in Iceland, and mentioned high termination rates in Denmark and South Korea.

Appearing before the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies, Stephens stated:

Whatever you learn today, please remember this: I am a man with Down syndrome and my life is worth living. … Some people say prenatal screens will identify Down syndrome in the womb, and those pregnancies will just be terminated. It’s hard for me to sit here and say those words. I completely understand that the people pushing this particular “final solution” are saying that people like me should not exist. … But to those who question the value of people with Down syndrome, I would make three points: First, we are a medical gift to society, a blueprint for medical research into cancer, Alzheimer’s, and immune system disorders.

On a deeply personal note, I cannot tell you how much it means to me that my extra chromosome might lead to the answer to Alzheimer’s. It’s likely that one day this thief will steal my memories, my very life from me. This is very hard for me to say, but it has already begun to steal my mom from me.

Please, think about all those people you love the way I love my mom. Help us make this difference, if not for me and my mom, then for you and the ones you love. Fund this research. Let’s be America, not Iceland or Denmark. Let’s pursue answers, not final solutions. Let’s be America. Let’s make our goal to be Alzheimer’s free, not Down syndrome free.

 

[AnOminous]

Eugenics is a good thing. That's not ironic nazi themed shitposting for kicks, it's just an unpleasant truth. The fact that it was initially popularized by a group of very bad people doesn't change the fact that it's just a tool like any other.

Nobody questions Israel for keeping a registry of genetic defects and letting couples know if they're going to pass off hideous invariably fatal defects like Tay-Sachs. They've eradicated this awful disease, in fact. It's completely unheard of in Israel. Nobody even questions the rationality of not just playing Russian roulette with your children's lives.

We should be doing this everywhere, and getting rid of all these diseases.

I'd throw in an especially autism joke, but that one is actually not that simple and genetically, it's related to a lot of good features as well as the bad features.

 

[Taily Puff]

Well someday that may become possible. And I hope by then screeching lefty types have long since stopped trying to dictate what others do with their lives. Not gonna hold my breath on that.

There's a certain type of mindset that's really quick to judge you for trying to succeed, and this is the perfect example of that. Apparently abortions are totally 100% fine if you kill a fetus just for funsies because you don't want to be fat and sober during spring break, but are a huge immoral crime if you do it to stop a nonfunctional person from being burdened with a difficult existence.

I'd throw in an especially autism joke, but that one is actually not that simple and genetically, it's related to a lot of good features as well as the bad features.

I was only half joking when I said you should be able to abort autists until they're 20.

Autism is probably going to become more prevalent in our species going forward, because it's tied to so many powerful and beneficial aspects of our minds. As we continue to augment communication abilities autists are going to be able to be more successful by distancing themselves from the awkward communication they fail so hard at and stick to what makes them functional. Some people just communicate better through a buffer than in person, and that's going to happen more and more.

So when you find out your child is autistic, it's a crap shoot. You're playing the waiting game to find out if it's "Hey guys I know last week I told you all I didn't like you at all but then I accidentally re-calibrated all your laser equipment to be 280% more effecient cause we're still friends right?" kind of autism, or the... you know. The other kind. The screeching kind.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Nobody questions Israel for keeping a registry of genetic defects and letting couples know if they're going to pass off hideous invariably fatal defects like Tay-Sachs. They've eradicated this awful disease, in fact. It's completely unheard of in Israel. Nobody even questions the rationality of not just playing Russian roulette with your children's lives.

We should be doing this everywhere, and getting rid of all these diseases.

I'd throw in an especially autism joke, but that one is actually not that simple and genetically, it's related to a lot of good features as well as the bad features.

That's funny, the bleeding-heart progressives all hate Israel for every other reason under the sun, you'd think they'd throw this on the pile too.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

But a lot more of them develop into the reason this forum exists.

Because like 90% of our users are self hating autistics?

It's easy to understand the point of view he has but there is really no benefit to keep an highly exceptional child. If not aborted the child can easily get killed by their frustrated mum, or abandoned. We had a down syndrome man in our neightborhood and both his mum and sister would constantly beat him up and yell at him both home and in public. It's not easy for anyone involved.
It's a much much different situation from physical defects. Dwarves can still be doctors and lawyers no problem.

That's more of a problem with the mom, not the kid.

Why not try to look for cures for these problems or try to assist people who already have them and help them live normal lives? IDK, the whole idea that a parent's love is conditional makes my skin crawl.

 

[Taily Puff]

That's more of a problem with the mom, not the kid.

Why not try to look for cures for these problems or try to assist people who already have them and help them live normal lives? IDK, the whole idea that a parent's love is conditional makes my skin crawl.

Sometimes love means doing something cruel because the kindness produces worse results. It's the hardest thing about being a parent. Bedtime exists because even if you're having fun, not getting enough sleep wrecks up your brain chemistry. You have to eat spinach because even though candy exists, spinach makes you stronger and candy makes you fat and diabetic. You can't run through the house with that spikey thing even though it's your new favorite toy, because you're going to stab yourself in the throat because you're basically a two foot tall drunk with no experience or coordination.

It's hard to enforce these rules. Parents seem crazy because they spend decades making themselves be cold because it's better for their kids in the long run. I have three and to this day I cry sometimes (behind the scenes) when my kids completely fall apart into blubbering messes because I do what I know is best for them. But the worst and what has to be hands down the hardest (and thankfully I've never had to experience it) is knowing when a child cannot have a proper life and that what's best for them is letting them rest forever.

Our instincts fight the idea, but the end of the day, sometimes killing someone isn't because you don't love them, but because you do.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

Sometimes love means doing something cruel because the kindness produces worse results. It's the hardest thing about being a parent. Bedtime exists because even if you're having fun, not getting enough sleep wrecks up your brain chemistry. You have to eat spinach because even though candy exists, spinach makes you stronger and candy makes you fat and diabetic. You can't run through the house with that spikey thing even though it's your new favorite toy, because you're going to stab yourself in the throat because you're basically a two foot tall drunk with no experience or coordination.

It's hard to enforce these rules. Parents seem crazy because they spend decades making themselves be cold because it's better for their kids in the long run. I have three and to this day I cry sometimes (behind the scenes) when my kids completely fall apart into blubbering messes because I do what I know is best for them. But the worst and what has to be hands down the hardest (and thankfully I've never had to experience it) is knowing when a child cannot have a proper life and that what's best for them is letting them rest forever.

Our instincts fight the idea, but the end of the day, sometimes killing someone isn't because you don't love them, but because you do.

I think I read somewhere that most people with downs are happy with their lives. I'm talking about people with downs or autism. They're not comparable to something like cyclopia (hope I spelled that right) or anencephaly. Hope I'm not being condescending. I don't have kids, just know a lot of people with those disorders personally.

 

[Taily Puff]

I think I read somewhere that most people with downs are happy with their lives. I'm talking about people with downs or autism. They're not comparable to something like cyclopia (hope I spelled that right) or anencephaly. Hope I'm not being condescending. I don't have kids, just know a lot of people with those disorders personally.

I agree, I don't want to go genocide all the downies. They're fine. If you make it out of the box with an extra chromosome you should get a pat on the back and a chocolate bar and go bike around with the other kids because you're still a person and still worth whatever insight you bring to the situation.

I'm just saying that if you can screen for that when they're still a cluster of 64 identical embryotic cells with no sentience, it's not the worst thing in the world to say "no, we'll try again next ovulation". It's not necessarily something you should get a medal for, but it's just objectively best for everyone involved. It's best for the parents, it's best for the kids, it's best for society. It's not warm or cuddly or positive or even a good thing, it's just the cold hard truth. It's the kale instead of the gummi bears of the matter.

 

[AnOminous]

I think about this issue a lot. Selective abortion is a horrible problem in society, and by society I mean human society.

China had a shockingly awful "One Child" policy that combined with their also evil, sexist preference for male children to the point that all female children were aborted, and if the parents were too poor to afford sex screening, they just murdered the female children to guarantee the male a male child.

Even an utterly evil fuckhole like China eventually abandoned this horrible, purely evil, chink policy in favor of reality when it turned out that this resulted in enormous numbers of unattached angry males (remember that they aborted all the females) with no potential mates and nothing to do but think about how evil their government was. (These chinks never even understood the concept of bread and circuses or understood that this also involved whores.)

Whenever you think of US/Chinese politics, remember that internally they're dealing with having deliberately raised a couple generations of angry virgins who are correctly pissed that their own country's policies have ensured that they'll never get laid.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

At least if someone is aborted before they even get a chance to exist, it's not euthanasia. But like others said, there's a slippery slope when it comes to selective abortion: "who is worthy of life?"

 

[Lackadaisy]

That's funny, the bleeding-heart progressives all hate Israel for every other reason under the sun, you'd think they'd throw this on the pile too.

Some do, especially the 'new age' types.

 

[Trash Eater]

stating that almost 100% of unborn babies with Down syndrome are aborted in Iceland, and mentioned high termination rates in Denmark and South Korea.

Aren't South Korea, Denmark, and Iceland all leagues ahead of the US in measures like health, education, happiness, and intelligence?

 

[Somsnosa]

Any country that can guarantee its citizens at least the basic free healthcare and education is ahead of you.

 

[TowinKarz]

At least if someone is aborted before they even get a chance to exist, it's not euthanasia. But like others said, there's a slippery slope when it comes to selective abortion: "who is worthy of life?"

As long as it's an individual choice, and not mandated by a government, I have no problem with someone choosing to abort of their own volition for any reason. I'm not living their life, who am I to say they should take the risk?

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Aren't South Korea, Denmark, and Iceland all leagues ahead of the US in measures like health, education, happiness, and intelligence?

South Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Otherwise yeah, pretty much.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

The people who are offended by this are always the same pearl-clutchers who wax "don't you know how grueling and painful it is for these people just to process the world around them and engage in ordinary interaction that you take for granted? Have you no sympathy?"

Yeah no shit I know it's hard and I do have sympathy, that's why I don't want my child to have to live that way, and so long as it's still a zygote of undifferentiated cells it isn't yet my "child".

 

[Scratch This Nut]

The people who are offended by this are always the same pearl-clutchers who wax "don't you know how grueling and painful it is for these people just to process the world around them and engage in ordinary interaction that you take for granted? Have you no sympathy?"

Yeah no shit I know it's hard and I do have sympathy, that's why I don't want my child to have to live that way, and so long as it's still a zygote of undifferentiated cells it isn't yet my "child".

I wouldn't tell anyone with downs that they would be better off dead. That is mean.

If you were talking about anencephaly or something that sentences someone to a three year life of pain I'd agree. Still sad.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I wouldn't tell anyone with downs that they would be better off dead. That is mean.

Not what I'm saying. Living people should have the same chance to pursue happiness as anyone. I just mean if we can select away from these afflictions in the embryo than we should.

 

[BIG DADDY]

Anyone else get the feeling someone is using this guy as a mouthpiece to promote their own anti-abortion views? I imagine he's been fed a lot of this stuff by people who have an agenda and they convinced him (easily, because he's exceptional) that he should be making these speeches. Maybe I'm just cynical though.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Anyone else get the feeling someone is using this guy as a mouthpiece to promote their own anti-abortion views? I imagine he's been fed a lot of this stuff by people who have an agenda and they convinced him (easily, because he's exceptional) that he should be making these speeches. Maybe I'm just cynical though.

Someone probably helped him write his little speech to get his ideas across but that's probably the extent of it. Even retards have a sense of self-preservation.

 

[Male Idiot]

I'm generally against aborting healthy children (condoms are there for a reason) but yeah if it is going to be very sick... the pragmatist in me knows that it would just eat up resources.