Inactive Gwen Hartley & The Hartley Hooligans - Attention Seeking Horrorshow Mom of Two Dead Gremlins & Finally Free Human Son

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Barbarella said:
I watched some vids on Gwens FB. They are longer than others I'd seen before. And watching those creatures and her delusions was horrifying. Claire looks like a broken spider with her legs twisted.

The worst one sleeps with her eyes open and anytime anybody touches her, she rises up for a minute than falls back. Gwen thought cute, I thought that has to be some primitive reflex we don't know.

I know people make the best of tragic things but I can't say I wouldn't put them in a home and just visit. The whole thing is an exercise in futility. They don't k ow anything g, they wouldn't care and they might even be more comfortable.
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It's probably a "make sure wolves aren't trying to eat your face off" reflex. No wolves? Then you can go back to sleep. I imagine primitive mammals didn't sleep too deeply. We can lay in our beds all night with our doors locked. They couldn't.

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They would absolutely be more comfortable because a medical care facility would give them muscle relaxers and other real drugs to treat their symptoms - not just herbal oil woo bullshit. Some severely disabled children are aware enough to benefit from having their family around them - not the potatoes. They are a rare case where institutional care would be better for them than at home with a mother that would scare Norman Bates.

Gwen’s refusal to use real drugs or get medical insight into their condition for better hospice level care - combined with insisting on putting their lives on constant display for asspats makes a bad situation even worse.

I’d have an abortion if I received a prenatal diagnosis of anacephaly or microcephaly, but if I wasn’t aware of any problem before birth and sadly had a potato baby I would have started hospice like care from day one - keep them comfortable but nothing else, no life prolonging medical interventions whatsoever. It’s different when there is even a slight hope of some quality of life, in this case there is none and the only guarantee is it getting worse.
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Well decades ago that's what it was like. Even when abortion was frowned upon doctors wanted you to put the child in a home. Of course that was abused and a lot of kids who weren't that bad off just got dumped at a facility because they were falling back a little too far. So you had kids who could talk, dress and feed themselves devolving into potatoes due to neglect and lack of any useful therapy. However, we're way better at ascertaining ability now. Any doctor would look at the Hartley girls and immediately know it was a lost cause. They'd know things like Eagle Eyes are a waste of money for them and any therapies beyond providing physical comfort are a waste of time.

Gwen doesn't believe in any medicine beyond oils and teething necklaces. Most of this stuff isn't going to do anything as anything other than a supplement. You can take ginger to calm your stomach for instance. But it won't cure a serious stomach ailment. Wearing a charm may provide a placebo effect and make you feel a little better. But it will not treat your condition.

I think muscle relaxers would work wonders. Because if they can feel pain those contractures must be agonizing. And having them untreated for years and years has probably increased the damage they caused. I do think that Lola feels some pain. Because she looks like she's in agony a lot.
 
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Dysnomia said:
...Wearing a charm may provide a placebo effect and make you feel a little better. But it will not treat your condition.
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I don't think the potatoes can benefit from the placebo effect, as that requires a realization that treatment is occurring. And I don't know if Lola can feel pain, I don't think there's enough brain tissue to register that. Lola looks in pain because her facial muscles randomly contract, causing distorted grimaces.
 
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Dr W said:
I don't think the potatoes can benefit from the placebo effect, as that requires a realization that treatment is occurring. And I don't know if Lola can feel pain, I don't think there's enough brain tissue to register that. Lola looks in pain because her facial muscles randomly contract, causing distorted grimaces.
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It's a shame that Gwen won't get Lola checked out by professionals. Wouldn't you want to know how much pain your child was registering and what you could do to make it better? I think it's criminal not to get medical care for children with disabilities. Even if they're potatoes they are still humans. This is what I don't get. Because Gwen seems to think her little potatoes are a lot more like regular kids than they are. She thinks they are twisted bodies with more or less regular sassy teens inside. So shouldn't she also think that they are screaming silently in pain and no one can hear them as well? Because those twisted limbs and seizures do not look comfortable. If Lola is constantly grimacing like she's in agony then those oils can't be doing a lot of good.

I really don't understand Gwen's reasoning. Either she's completely delusional or deep down she knows Claire and Lola are potatoes and is trying her best to stay sane about it by painting them as sassy teens who can use Eagle Eyes and are capable of human interaction.
 
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Dysnomia said:
It's a shame that Gwen won't get Lola checked out by professionals. Wouldn't you want to know how much pain your child was registering and what you could do to make it better? I think it's criminal not to get medical care for children with disabilities. Even if they're potatoes they are still humans. This is what I don't get. Because Gwen seems to think her little potatoes are a lot more like regular kids than they are. She thinks they are twisted bodies with more or less regular sassy teens inside. So shouldn't she also think that they are screaming silently in pain and no one can hear them as well? Because those twisted limbs and seizures do not look comfortable. If Lola is constantly grimacing like she's in agony then those oils can't be doing a lot of good.

I really don't understand Gwen's reasoning. Either she's completely delusional or deep down she knows Claire and Lola are potatoes and is trying her best to stay sane about it by painting them as sassy teens who can use Eagle Eyes and are capable of human interaction.
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I disagree. I'm construing this as: Gwen knows, deep down, that the potatoes never have been, and never will be close to functioning. But, she also realizes that this is a prime opportunity to profit, so she's constructed this elaborate fantasy for asspats and money. She's made millions off of the gremlins, barely raising a finger to do so. She's likely come to terms with the spuds being... spuds as it is. All other displays are an act.
 
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Dysnomia said:
I really don't understand Gwen's reasoning. Either she's completely delusional or deep down she knows Claire and Lola are potatoes and is trying her best to stay sane about it by painting them as sassy teens who can use Eagle Eyes and are capable of human interaction.
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The best answer is "all of the above".

When Gwennie is feeling bad and needs asspats or goodies, she talks about all the problems she has in getting the potatoes to sleep and the time it takes to feed them and how terribly difficult her life is.

When she feels the need to REEEEEE because she something triggered her, the Hooligans are sassy teens with hopes and goals and dreams and it's society's fault for not seeing it.

When she wants to step up on her fundie soapbox, the girls are a gift from god and are proof positive that abortion and medical science is evil.

Ultimately, the condition of the potatoes is whatever best serves Gwennie's current needs.

ETA: It's October 31, which means it's time for the annual exploitative Hooligan Halloween pic. What's it going to be this year? I'm guessing maybe a Star Wars theme?
 
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bigshot said:
I don't think it's money. There's one thing more important to some people than money- attention. The ass pats are the currency here.
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One great mystery about this family is where they get the money for their McMansion, cars and vacations, because it sure as hell isn’t hubby’s hobby job as a shitty glass artist. In fact I’d say his “job” costs them money. We know they milk the state, charities and Medicaid for the potatoes care. But their standard of living is quite high given the fact no adult in the home has a real job. This has always struck me as very fishy.

Most innocent explanation is rich grandparents support them because they were cursed with potatoes, if so that explains a lot about why Gwen wants the potatoes to stick around and maybe even why she had Lola.
 
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Possible grandparents bought the house. I don't know exactly how much you get from the government for two disabled children but with SSDI, I think it's about 1.2 k a month each. Not to mention all the help. If the house was paid for, they probably get enough to eat but not go on these lavish vacations.

My guess? A lawsuit. Gwen sued for malpractice for some reason, maybe when Claire was born or early on with one. Probably a non-disclosure was signed.

They have lots of people who will donate and while companies give them stuff, I never see regular people do it-she doesn't have GFM to my knowledge. But they do live well, and somebody pays. I agree, Daddy's glass blowing hobby won't cut it.
 
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Barbarella said:
Possible grandparents bought the house. I don't know exactly how much you get from the government for two disabled children but with SSDI, I think it's about 1.2 k a month each. Not to mention all the help. If the house was paid for, they probably get enough to eat but not go on these lavish vacations.

My guess? A lawsuit. Gwen sued for malpractice for some reason, maybe when Claire was born or early on with one. Probably a non-disclosure was signed.

They have lots of people who will donate and while companies give them stuff, I never see regular people do it-she doesn't have GFM to my knowledge. But they do live well, and somebody pays. I agree, Daddy's glass blowing hobby won't cut it.
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Lawsuit, that's interesting idea because I think the only thing she could sue for is "wrongful birth" due to Claire which would certainly be something she wouldn't speak about and might explain her nastiness towards the medical professionals.

Wrongful birth is a thing, it started in the 1970's when a doctor failed to diagnosis a pregnant woman with rubella - even though the woman expressed fears she had it, reported all the common symptoms but the doctor didn't run the test for it. The baby was born with terrible disabilities caused by rubella and no quality of life thanks to this. The rubella scare of this time was one of the foundations of Roe v Wade. People sue for wrongful birth now thanks to doctors missing obvious genetic syndromes or disabilities that should have been detected prenatally.

Prenatal diagnostics wasn't nearly as advanced as it is now so I'm not sure if they could have proven any medical negligence with Claire. To this day many doctors only do one or two ultrasounds (unless otherwise requested or due to high risk pregnancy) and the last one is around 20 weeks before many cases of microcephaly would be obvious. Then again many doctors' insurance will just settle quickly to avoid a drawn out legal battle, so I dunno. It sure as shit would have been settled well before Lola because her choosing to have Lola blows any "wrongful birth" argument out of the water. I don't see any other legal avenue for a lawsuit since microcephaly is so rife with horrible defects that you couldn't prove any of them were due to a doctor and not the microcephaly itself.

I lean towards rich grandparents and extra govt. money making the job free lifestyle possible for the Hartleys. I promise if they had to actually work to support Claire and care for her all on their own (with their own money and with no nursing staff at home) they probably would have decided not to have Potato #2, which is why i get so pissed at Gwen giving "advice" to poor women in Brazil and other Zika affected places facing a pregnancy with a microcephaly diagnosis.
 
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Oh my glory, yes.
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TFW Claire is the sexiest character
 
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