Furry Fandom and Drama General

[Mikoyan]

Word on the street is that Patreon is blasting out a 'reminder' to artists that porn has never been allowed there, only 'adult content'. If they start enforcing that, we're in for more interesting times.

 

[UtopiaGuy]

Word on the street is that Patreon is blasting out a 'reminder' to artists that porn has never been allowed there, only 'adult content'. If they start enforcing that, we're in for more interesting times.

Confirmed as true. I not long after got this in my email the other day. Apparently some people were bitching about adult content being shut down, but they specify below the four areas where they're taking a harder stance (and yes, it sounds like there will be some sad-furs):


Hey folks – there have been a few articles, some talk on social, and even an open letter about Patreon’s recent content policy updates. Last week, the Trust and Safety team explained in a blog post the updates we made to the Community Guidelines.

I really, really hope you take the time to read the blog and Community Guidelines for yourself. Most of all, I hope you understand that nothing has changed except our stance on four areas of content: bestiality, incest, sexual depiction of minors, and suggestive sexual violence.

It breaks my heart that folks who contributed to OpenLetterToPatreon.com expressed fear for their pages. Patreon is not that kind of company. I want you to disagree with us. I want you to make your voices heard. I want you to request features and policy changes. I want you to rally the community. That kind of pushing is not only good for the community, but my opinion is that it’s ultimately good for Patreon, too, because it helps our team viscerally feel the voice of our creators. I want Patreon to be the most creator-first company in the world, and that requires you to speak up and tell us what’s on your mind. Patreon will not always be able to do what you want – but at the very least we can make sure we hear you.

As a creator, it’s always bugged me when tech companies and CEOs stay quiet as changes are rolled out in the background and the community feels left in the dark. It really bugs me, because content policy is one of the most important and tough problems that modern tech platforms face. It’s complicated and nuanced and critical to get right. So, I’d like to personally clarify our update – and I realize that this doesn’t mean everyone will agree with it – but again at the very least I don’t want to be silent. So here we go:

• The way that the Trust and Safety team is evaluating content has not changed. Yes, the public guidelines got longer because our creators asked for extra specificity. So in response, we’re sharing more detail with you about how we evaluate content. It does not represent a change to our content policy – it’s added detail to educate the community.
• We did update four (and only four) areas of our actual content policy: incest, bestiality, sexual depiction of minors, and suggestive sexual violence. If you're just reading the headlines, you’ll be under the impression that we’re “cracking down on adult content.” Again, this is not what’s actually happening. We only updated the above four areas of our policy.
• Patreon’s stance on pornography has not changed. We have never allowed pornography or sexual services on Patreon and that stance has been clear in our guidelines since they were first published a few years ago. We used to say we allowed “R-rated” content, but that description was ineffective at clearly explaining our policy to the community. It didn’t give you the specificity you needed to understand what’s allowed, and what isn’t. Our updated Community Guidelines explain in way more detail what we mean when it comes to adult content. I also realize that “pornography” is difficult to define, and “you know it when you see it” is a totally inadequate policy. So we’ve added additional detail to the pornography section of our content policy, and the team will be spending even more time clarifying our guidelines in the future. As of this morning, the guidelines state that we don’t allow “real people engaging in sexual acts, such as masturbation or sexual intercourse on camera.”
• Very few creators are affected by any of these updates. Again, the only actual changes to our policy were around bestiality, incest, sexual depiction of minors, and suggestive sexual violence. Most folks – literally *most* creators by multiple factors of ten – even in the adult communities – have nothing to be concerned about
• Patreon won’t pull the rug out from a creator’s income, even in the case of a policy violation. The team actually built a new system, a suspension tool, over the last few weeks, to avoid sudden removals. Suspension may still seem harsh – I totally understand that perspective – but in the case of a policy violation, it gives the creator a chance to talk with a team member and get their page back up and running. Creators now have time, personal connections with an advocate inside Patreon, and a team of Trust and Safety reps to help them update their pages instead of simply being removed from the platform.
• Every creator is unique, and every content evaluation is unique. We don’t believe in making sweeping generalizations or decisions about creators’ livelihoods. We avoid broad questions like “Is this OK, or is that ok?” A rep will look at each case and its context one-by-one. For anyone who has any questions or concerns about their page, you can speak to a human being (literally, you can always talk to a human) who will work with you to figure out how to update your page so it works with the guidelines.
• The team made these updates now as a follow-up to the Trust and Safety commitments I made this past summer. We’ve spent the past few months operationalizing the commitments, and several updates were ready (we were especially relieved to launch the suspension tool as an alternative to removing pages). We’ve heard a bit of speculation about whether these updates are related to the recent Series C fundraising and that is not true.

This update to our Community Guidelines is part of a broader effort to educate our community and give folks more clarity about what specifically we allow, or what we don’t. Our previous external-facing community guidelines were 795 words. The new guidelines are 2,802 words. Hopefully, the added detail offers you more clarity, makes for less guessing, and gives you the specificity you need.

I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again – I personally take content policy issues with the utmost seriousness. My personal belief is that online content policy is in its infancy right now – most of tech doesn’t do content policy well. In fact, I think tech on the whole under-invests in content policy. Especially for payments products. We’re talking about a person’s income here – we’re talking about a person’s livelihood. We have to be clear, rigorous, and caring. It’s what’s best for Patreon, it’s what’s best for our creators, and it’s also just the right thing to do.

Thanks,
Jack

 

[redline]

We don’tbelieve in making sweeping generalizations or decisions aboutcreators’ livelihoods. We avoid broad questions like “Is this OK, or is that ok?” A rep will look at each case and its context one-by-one. For anyone who has anyquestions or concerns about their page, you can speak to a human being (literally, you can always talk to a human) who will work with you to figure out how to update your page so it works with the guidelines.

Looks like there's going to be a shit ton of Patreon employees subjected to a lot furry degeneracy. The “real people engaging in sexual acts, such as masturbation or sexual intercourse on camera,” gives them leeway to fight suspension unless their subject matter includes bestiality, incest (*coughJayNaylorcough*), sexual depiction of minors, and suggestive sexual violence.

 

[CIA Nigger]

E621 has made a major rule change. Previously the rules stated that paid content could only be posted after it was 2 years old. The new rules say that paid content is now always banned

This hasn't gone well with the userbase of the site as the thread is now 18 pages long and counting.

And of course there's at least one user chimping.

 

[UtopiaGuy]

LOL at that rant by Ranty McRantface, thinking he has any say or sway or power. I think the whole point of the policy enforcement is that the site would gladly appreciate guys like him leaving and boycotting them anyway.

 

[Feline Darkmage]

E621 has made a major rule change. Previously the rules stated that paid content could only be posted after it was 2 years old. The new rules say that paid content is now always banned

This hasn't gone well with the userbase of the site as the thread is now 18 pages long and counting.
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And of course there's at least one user chimping.

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lmao it's all the feminazis fault Mom halved his tendie supply after she found out he liked cubs fucking.

 

[Goda]

There's a bunch of drama going on about a Halloween-themed convention called "Furpocalypse" and its theme this year, which is "Haunted Asylum". Because that's PROBLEMATIC.

It all really started when Twitter user sunookitsune got banned from the convention for apparently constantly harassing them about the theme.
http://archive.is/zaBwH
http://archive.is/9vSVV
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The idea of a Halloween-themed convention using a spooky theme like "haunted mental institution" did not sit well with the social justice crowd, who deemed it offensive.
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Keep in mind, this is the same fandom that REGULARLY fetishizes straight jackets, medical experimentation, hospitals, and the like. A quick search on FA finds 4,000+ results for the word "straitjacket". A herm character tied to a chair with electrodes strapped to their huge tits is HOT but the idea of a con theme being "haunted mental institution", well, that's just one step too far!

Update: the convention is ongoing and one of the people who was making the most noise decided to drive to the convention, print out a bunch of fliers, and leave them everywhere.


The flier:

The exceptional individual:
https://twitter.com/braeburned

One of the most condescending things I've ever read. This guy doesn't seem to realize how still showing up to the con, spending money, and participating in the convention sort of kills his argument.

 

[UtopiaGuy]

Treatment for the mentally ill = abuse?

¯\(º_o)/¯

 

[JFKdestroyer]

One of the most condescending things I've ever read. This guy doesn't seem to realize how still showing up to the con, spending money, and participating in the convention sort of kills his argument.

This is the case about 85% of the time when someone has "problems" with a convention. "I'm still gonna go but I'm not gonna like it!!!"

 

[Gentleburd]

Treatment for the mentally ill = abuse?

¯\(º_o)/¯

The only people who think that way are either not really sick at all or they are so fucked in the head they need to be in a locked ward and forced to take their meds.
It’s a pet peeve of mine that people talk bad about modern medicine. Something that has helped literally every human in the civilized world should be treated with more respect.

 

[Mikoyan]

The exceptional individual:
https://twitter.com/braeburned

Oh, it's him?

Pretty rich that a incestuous Rule 34 obsessive is trying to lecture people on ethics in fictional fantasies.

 

[Kaabi]

The exceptional individual:
https://twitter.com/braeburned

Oh i remember this guy a few years ago when MLP was still fresh from the oven. He's known for drawing gay My Little Pony porn and horse dicks in each of them. I haven't seen this guy in a few years and looking at his art, he still draws the same shit but now does the general furry crap and selling it at conventions.

No surprise he's exceptional.

 

[Goda]

Continuing to beat a dead horse, this flier has hit furry Twitter and the takes are exceptional.

http://archive.is/bm7dx

For reference, the main item people were complaining about were the badges. This is what the convention eventually offered options for, so instead of 'patient' it could read 'attendee'.

Please note the size of the font, and how this still is the point of contention.

 

[millais]

is this what furry enlightenment is supposed to look like

 

[GS 281]

 

[Feline Darkmage]

AWOOOO

 

[UtopiaGuy]

Give that out to any kid who shows up in a werewolf costume on Halloween. The fine will be his bag of candy.

 

[Jaiman]

Update: the convention is ongoing and one of the people who was making the most noise decided to drive to the convention, print out a bunch of fliers, and leave them everywhere.

The flier:
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The exceptional individual:
https://twitter.com/braeburned

One of the most condescending things I've ever read. This guy doesn't seem to realize how still showing up to the con, spending money, and participating in the convention sort of kills his argument.

Imagine wasting your money, supporting a convention, to complain about something that was never going to be changed anyway.
Edit: just remembered what ghosting was. Still, it seems like a waste of time.

 

[BB 876]

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Imagine wasting your money, supporting a convention, to complain about something that was never going to be changed anyway.
Edit: just remembered what ghosting was. Still, it seems like a waste of time.

I find it funny this dude jumped from pony to furry (the former fandom losing traction) but he's still trying to have his cake and eat it too.

He's also dating a genderspecial, but I haven't looked much into that.

 

[The Great Chandler]

is this what furry enlightenment is supposed to look like

The porn industry is turning the FREAKIN' FURRIES NORMIES!!!