Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

[DadaistVizor]

Next thing youre gonna tell me, is that theyre both jews?

They both claim to be from Canada.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

It’s a copypasta you dip

Yeah but still...

 

[BB 876]

In the furry sphere, "cub" is the equivalent of loli/shota and Inkbunny is the haven for this sort of thing.

There have been numerous incidents of Inkbunny members being arrested not just for having art of baby foxes getting fucked on their HD, but rather the real deal alongside it. If anything drawn underage shit is a gateway drug for fucked up people. I'm betting there's cases similar to these when it comes to weeaboos, but I wouldn't personally know.

IIRC some fucker in Australia had the book thrown at him for having a fuckton of Lisa Simpson porn. They really don't take kindly drawn CP.

 

[purepowerlevel]

They both claim to be from Canada.

Spoiler

 

[DadaistVizor]

If the character is an underage teenager who looks like a character of legal age, it's alright. If the character blatantly has characteristics of a child, it's bad.

In summary:

 

[SwanDive]

Some people in this thread keep reminding me of the Digibro thread on here. Seriously, if you want a bit of a trip with this shit, check it out. Wanting to be a loli, while not as fucked up as wanting to fuck a child, is still pretty weird.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

IIRC some fucker in Australia had the book thrown at him for having a fuckton of Lisa Simpson porn. They really don't take kindly drawn CP.

At what point does the deterrent effect of putting people away for this sort of stuff stop being useful though.

You'd think that if it were equally illegal to steal a pack of gum, and look at drawings of theft, you'd be more likely to take the plunge into committing the crime itself because if you get caught they both carry the same penalty.

What's the point of equating something that has a tangible effect on real victims and a literally victimless act that maybe serves as a gateway (but is yet unproven). Edging a little close to dystopia a la Minority Report.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

At what point does the deterrent effect of putting people away for this sort of stuff stop being useful though.

You'd think that if it were equally illegal to steal a pack of gum, and look at drawings of theft, you'd be more likely to take the plunge into committing the crime itself because if you get caught they both carry the same penalty.

What's the point of equating something that has a tangible effect on real victims and a literally victimless act that maybe serves as a gateway (but is yet unproven). Edging a little close to dystopia a la Minority Report.

What exactly are you hoping to get out of this? You sick fuck.

 

[Nazi vegeta]

If the character is an underage teenager who looks like a character of legal age, it's alright. If the character blatantly has characteristics of a child, it's bad.

In summary:

14 is legal in japan and many other places though.
Also theres really not much difference between a 14-15 years old drawing and 18.
When I used to watch saint seya as a kid, I always thought the protagonists were 18 yo. It's only many years later that I discovered they were all 14.

 

[Randy Lahey]

How bad is loli/shota really?
I myself am quite divided on the topic.

Firstly, I do recognize that any erotic material pertaining to children is bad because it proliferates the fantasies of sexually abusing children, causing pedophiles to be more likely to do it when they lose control.
But I also recognize that a lot of people enjoy loli and shota without being pedo irl nessecarily, so it's also a difficult question of perspective.

The law hasn't really ventured here, and most if not all discussion of the subject is just autistic whining about "it isn't real so it isn't real, i'm not hurting childs (yet)" vs. "bro ur just a pedo u filthy fucking pedos need to be shot".

I'd be interested to know your thoughts, because it keeps me up at night whether I should support the censorship of drawn CP vs. the acceptance of it.

fuck off pedo

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

What exactly are you hoping to get out of this? You sick fuck.

I'm hoping that someone will be able to stop rampantly shitposting and actually discuss the question.

Guess that's not going to be you.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

I'm hoping that someone will be able to stop rampantly shitposting and actually discuss the question.

Guess that's not going to be you.

Why? Why pick this hill of all hills to die on?

 

[Mason Verger]

Now that we've burned the witch, I love that this has circled back to the original discussion the fucker was trying to have in the first place.

 

[usernames can change now!]

Skimmed through the thread, disappointed nobody has prefaced this by saying...

Anyways, why the fuck would you want to look at porn of kids if you didn't want to fuck kids? People with weird ass impossible fetishes like vore would probably go for it if it was actually possible and didn't result in irl permadeath. Do you think loli fuckers wouldn't actually fuck a kid if they thought they could get away with it?

Keep it legal and use it to put people on lists.

 

[Bandit Keith]

Why are we talking about this? I just want to giggle at silly internet people.

 

[ICametoLurk]

14 is legal in japan and many other places though.
Also theres really not much difference between a 14-15 years old drawing and 18.
When I used to watch saint seya as a kid, I always thought the protagonists were 18 yo. It's only many years later that I discovered they were all 14.

Every State in Japan has either an 18 or 21 Age of Consent, people aren't even considered Adults until they're in their 20's. They couldn't even vote until recently if they are were around 18.

The 14 is the Federal but every single State trumps it.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Why? Why pick this hill of all hills to die on?

The fact that you think being able to set aside any emotional reactions to EWWW ICKYYY topics and be able to logically discuss their ramifications is "dying on a hill" speaks volumes.

You don't know what point of view I hold on any of this. Keep trying to blow that dog whistle though.

 

[SwanDive]

14 is legal in japan and many other places though.

Afaik, 14 is the minimum age of consent for each prefecture in Japan. The age of consent in the prefectures is usually 18 years old.

Also theres really not much difference between a 14-15 years old drawing and 18.

Yeah, there is. It's a roughly 4 year difference in which the guy or girl is still going through puberty.

When I used to watch saint seya as a kid, I always thought the protagonists were 18 yo. It's only many years later that I discovered they were all 14.

Okay, and? Anime isn't exactly well known for characters actually looking like their age.

 

[Somsnosa]

The true question you gotta ask yourself regarding this stuff is, why am I attracted to cartoon characters that aren't sexually ready? Why am I not attracted to healthy, beautiful adult women?

 

[Scratch This Nut]

The fact that you think being able to set aside any emotional reactions to EWWW ICKYYY topics and be able to logically discuss their ramifications is "dying on a hill" speaks volumes.

You don't know what point of view I hold on any of this. Keep trying to blow that dog whistle though.

Hey man, I'm not the one who wants to have a serious discussion on the ethics of fapping to drawings of children and thinks that Kiwifarms is a good place to have one.