Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

Is OP a pedophile?

  • yes

    Votes: 967 74.3%
  • no

    Votes: 210 16.1%
  • it should be regulated, not outright banned

    Votes: 124 9.5%

  • Total voters
    1,301
deep thoughts continues to be a very good, very useful board where people ask useful questions about good topics

also i don't give a shit what weird drawn porn you jerk off to, if you're defending any sexualized content where it actively puts a below-18 age on a character you're a pedophile i don't understand how people think it's sound logic to say otherwise
jerk off to the 20000 year old midget if you want to, i don't give a fuck; but if you're jerking off to the idea of abusing someone of a vulnerable age with a really harmful power dynamic you should probably be marooned at sea
 
deep thoughts continues to be a very good, very useful board where people ask useful questions about good topics

also i don't give a shit what weird drawn porn you jerk off to, if you're defending any sexualized content where it actively puts a below-18 age on a character you're a pedophile i don't understand how people think it's sound logic to say otherwise
jerk off to the 20000 year old midget if you want to, i don't give a fuck; but if you're jerking off to the idea of abusing someone of a vulnerable age with a really harmful power dynamic you should probably be marooned at sea

the argument against the "anything under 18" thing is that a 17 year old isn't significantly different from an 18 year old isn't significantly different from a 19 year old

and that's fine and sensible (we have close in age exemptions in most jurisdictions for a reason) but pedos make a logical fucking skydive and apply it to 8 year olds
 
Afaik, 14 is the minimum age of consent for each prefecture in Japan. The age of consent in the prefectures is usually 18 years old.



Yeah, there is. It's a roughly 4 year difference in which the guy or girl is still going through puberty.



Okay, and? Anime isn't exactly well known for characters actually looking like their age.

And as I said, that distinction is not very clear in a DRAWING.
 
If the character is an underage teenager who looks like a character of legal age, it's alright. If the character blatantly has characteristics of a child, it's bad.

In summary:
Anime_0d07c8_5840648.jpg
So you're telling me it's 100% okay to have sex with this 3 year old?
Dizzy.jpg
I mean if you insist but this isn't on me. This is YOUR fault you sick fuck.
 
I think there's something seriously wrong with you if you get off to drawings of sexualized children. What's to stop you from trying that stuff on a real child? I think it's similar to sex dolls that look like children. You could say that it stops pedos from diddling real kids. But at some point when is the doll not enough? When are the drawings not enough? If an opportunity arises what's going to happen?


If the character is an underage teenager who looks like a character of legal age, it's alright. If the character blatantly has characteristics of a child, it's bad.

In summary:
Anime_0d07c8_5840648.jpg

Art style causes a lot of confusion. And it's part of why people say that anime is for pedos. Because you have 18 year olds that look 10 and 14 year olds that look old enough to buy beer. But if you are purposely fapping to underage character because they are underage and that's what gets you off then I think you have a problem.
 
This has actually happened before.
Unteralterbach is a German VN made by Krautchan members much like Katawa Shoujo. The difference is it's a loli dating game where all the lolis are based off REAL little girls.
Now these are already well known girls, Prime Ministers daughters and other such Euro memes, but these are girls that were actually OBSESSED over by a lot of Krautchan members in a real pedo sort of way.
So reading more about this VN, apparently it was archived by Debian staff (whatever that is), and there was a lot of controversy behind it:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2014/03/msg00039.html
 
And as I said, that distinction is not very clear in a DRAWING.

I refer you back to this post:
If the character is an underage teenager who looks like a character of legal age, it's alright. If the character blatantly has characteristics of a child, it's bad.

In summary:
Anime_0d07c8_5840648.jpg

So yes, there can be a pretty clear distinction.
 
In the furry sphere, "cub" is the equivalent of loli/shota and Inkbunny is the haven for this sort of thing.

There have been numerous incidents of Inkbunny members being arrested not just for having art of baby foxes getting fucked on their HD, but rather the real deal alongside it. If anything drawn underage shit is a gateway drug for fucked up people. I'm betting there's cases similar to these when it comes to weeaboos, but I wouldn't personally know.

IIRC some fucker in Australia had the book thrown at him for having a fuckton of Lisa Simpson porn. They really don't take kindly drawn CP.
Oh speaking of Inkbunny, I wonder why the staff haven't gotten a lolcow post yet? Also here is the email explaining the multiple loopholes they use to consider "cub material" """legal"""
Hi (redatcted),

I'm a bit concerned on your guy's view on babyfur art/writings.
I see multiple users with multiple art of having minors
( under 18 ) in sexual situations. I'm a bit concerned because
of the multiple child pornography laws in the United States
covering any kind of art representing child porn.

Inkbunny's position is that laws covering depictions of children or minors define them as persons under the age of X - and furthermore, that a "person" for the purpose of these laws is inevitably a human being, or (in some jurisdictions) very close to it. Thus, "cub porn" cannot be "child porn", as it does not involve a child, in the legal definition of the term.

This is particularly well-supported in the USA, which has gone to the trouble of defining "person" as a member "of the species homo sapiens":
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

In other countries, it is also commonly held that non-human animals do not have the same status as humans - hence, you can imprison them, eat them, etc. Having sex with them may be forbidden; but that's because a human is involved, or because it harms an actual animal. We do not forbid animals to have sex with other animals.

In accordance with this, Inkbunny does not permit submissions to depict human beings in sexual situations, or to show their genitals or arousal. This prohibition also renders bestiality laws inapplicable.

In the UK, the law covers material which appears to be of a person, even though one or more elements are not of a person. Parliamentary discussion of this indicated that it was focused on the addition of ears or antennae to otherwise human characters, and so our policy includes "neko" characters and others which are essentially human.

We do not forbid members from promoting such depictions for the benefit of those who wish to see them and feel they are legally safe to do so; but for the sake of those who don't, images on Inkbunny must not contain such depictions. Promotional submissions should have keywords applied permitting members to avoid them through our blocking system.

Fur Affinity's decision to forbid "cub" art was made on commercial grounds, not legal grounds:
http://www.flayrah.com/3346/fur-affinity-loses-alertpay-account-bans-cub-porn
They may now be using legal grounds to justify the removal of such images; if so, we believe they are mistaken.

On a related topic, Softpaw Magazine, which was dedicated for such material, was for several years openly printed in Canada and imported into the USA without issues:
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Softpaw_Magazine

Are you guys located outside of the U.S. and if so, what are
the child porn laws in the country you have your servers at.

Inkbunny's main server is currently located in the Netherlands. A summary of Dutch child pornography laws can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_Netherlands

I am not aware of a definition of "person" in their criminal code, but their civil code includes the statement that "No servitude of persons, of whatever nature or however described, is tolerated":
http://www.dutchcivillaw.com/civilcodebook01.htm
It seems unlikely that zoos (of which there are many in the Netherlands) would be possible if this were held to apply to species other than humans.

As the Netherlands is in the European Union, the case law in Sweden may also be relevant, in which a man possessing non-realistic manga images was ultimately found not guilty of possessing child pornography:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#Sweden

Should the matter arise, we would vigorously defend our position, as we believe there is no public interest served in forbidding the depictions of fictional non-human characters in sexual situations.

We have never been contacted by any law enforcement on this topic - or any other. We suspect most prosecutors have their hands full dealing with images and instances of actual child abuse, which we do not host or support.

Best wishes, cheese and carrots,
 
Oh speaking of Inkbunny, I wonder why the staff haven't gotten a lolcow post yet? Also here is the email explaining the multiple loopholes they use to consider "cub material" """legal"""
Hi (redatcted),

I'm a bit concerned on your guy's view on babyfur art/writings.
I see multiple users with multiple art of having minors
( under 18 ) in sexual situations. I'm a bit concerned because
of the multiple child pornography laws in the United States
covering any kind of art representing child porn.

Inkbunny's position is that laws covering depictions of children or minors define them as persons under the age of X - and furthermore, that a "person" for the purpose of these laws is inevitably a human being, or (in some jurisdictions) very close to it. Thus, "cub porn" cannot be "child porn", as it does not involve a child, in the legal definition of the term.

This is particularly well-supported in the USA, which has gone to the trouble of defining "person" as a member "of the species homo sapiens":
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

In other countries, it is also commonly held that non-human animals do not have the same status as humans - hence, you can imprison them, eat them, etc. Having sex with them may be forbidden; but that's because a human is involved, or because it harms an actual animal. We do not forbid animals to have sex with other animals.

In accordance with this, Inkbunny does not permit submissions to depict human beings in sexual situations, or to show their genitals or arousal. This prohibition also renders bestiality laws inapplicable.

In the UK, the law covers material which appears to be of a person, even though one or more elements are not of a person. Parliamentary discussion of this indicated that it was focused on the addition of ears or antennae to otherwise human characters, and so our policy includes "neko" characters and others which are essentially human.

We do not forbid members from promoting such depictions for the benefit of those who wish to see them and feel they are legally safe to do so; but for the sake of those who don't, images on Inkbunny must not contain such depictions. Promotional submissions should have keywords applied permitting members to avoid them through our blocking system.

Fur Affinity's decision to forbid "cub" art was made on commercial grounds, not legal grounds:
http://www.flayrah.com/3346/fur-affinity-loses-alertpay-account-bans-cub-porn
They may now be using legal grounds to justify the removal of such images; if so, we believe they are mistaken.

On a related topic, Softpaw Magazine, which was dedicated for such material, was for several years openly printed in Canada and imported into the USA without issues:
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Softpaw_Magazine

Are you guys located outside of the U.S. and if so, what are
the child porn laws in the country you have your servers at.

Inkbunny's main server is currently located in the Netherlands. A summary of Dutch child pornography laws can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_Netherlands

I am not aware of a definition of "person" in their criminal code, but their civil code includes the statement that "No servitude of persons, of whatever nature or however described, is tolerated":
http://www.dutchcivillaw.com/civilcodebook01.htm
It seems unlikely that zoos (of which there are many in the Netherlands) would be possible if this were held to apply to species other than humans.

As the Netherlands is in the European Union, the case law in Sweden may also be relevant, in which a man possessing non-realistic manga images was ultimately found not guilty of possessing child pornography:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#Sweden

Should the matter arise, we would vigorously defend our position, as we believe there is no public interest served in forbidding the depictions of fictional non-human characters in sexual situations.

We have never been contacted by any law enforcement on this topic - or any other. We suspect most prosecutors have their hands full dealing with images and instances of actual child abuse, which we do not host or support.

Best wishes, cheese and carrots,
I'd like a thread on these guys. And by "thread" I mean claw hammer.
 
The true question you gotta ask yourself regarding this stuff is, why am I attracted to cartoon characters that aren't sexually ready? Why am I not attracted to healthy, beautiful adult women?
Because to them, 2D > icky 3DPD. Also, :autistic:.
 
Oh speaking of Inkbunny, I wonder why the staff haven't gotten a lolcow post yet? Also here is the email explaining the multiple loopholes they use to consider "cub material" """legal"""
Hi (redatcted),

I'm a bit concerned on your guy's view on babyfur art/writings.
I see multiple users with multiple art of having minors
( under 18 ) in sexual situations. I'm a bit concerned because
of the multiple child pornography laws in the United States
covering any kind of art representing child porn.

Inkbunny's position is that laws covering depictions of children or minors define them as persons under the age of X - and furthermore, that a "person" for the purpose of these laws is inevitably a human being, or (in some jurisdictions) very close to it. Thus, "cub porn" cannot be "child porn", as it does not involve a child, in the legal definition of the term.

This is particularly well-supported in the USA, which has gone to the trouble of defining "person" as a member "of the species homo sapiens":
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

In other countries, it is also commonly held that non-human animals do not have the same status as humans - hence, you can imprison them, eat them, etc. Having sex with them may be forbidden; but that's because a human is involved, or because it harms an actual animal. We do not forbid animals to have sex with other animals.

In accordance with this, Inkbunny does not permit submissions to depict human beings in sexual situations, or to show their genitals or arousal. This prohibition also renders bestiality laws inapplicable.

In the UK, the law covers material which appears to be of a person, even though one or more elements are not of a person. Parliamentary discussion of this indicated that it was focused on the addition of ears or antennae to otherwise human characters, and so our policy includes "neko" characters and others which are essentially human.

We do not forbid members from promoting such depictions for the benefit of those who wish to see them and feel they are legally safe to do so; but for the sake of those who don't, images on Inkbunny must not contain such depictions. Promotional submissions should have keywords applied permitting members to avoid them through our blocking system.

Fur Affinity's decision to forbid "cub" art was made on commercial grounds, not legal grounds:
http://www.flayrah.com/3346/fur-affinity-loses-alertpay-account-bans-cub-porn
They may now be using legal grounds to justify the removal of such images; if so, we believe they are mistaken.

On a related topic, Softpaw Magazine, which was dedicated for such material, was for several years openly printed in Canada and imported into the USA without issues:
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Softpaw_Magazine

Are you guys located outside of the U.S. and if so, what are
the child porn laws in the country you have your servers at.

Inkbunny's main server is currently located in the Netherlands. A summary of Dutch child pornography laws can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_Netherlands

I am not aware of a definition of "person" in their criminal code, but their civil code includes the statement that "No servitude of persons, of whatever nature or however described, is tolerated":
http://www.dutchcivillaw.com/civilcodebook01.htm
It seems unlikely that zoos (of which there are many in the Netherlands) would be possible if this were held to apply to species other than humans.

As the Netherlands is in the European Union, the case law in Sweden may also be relevant, in which a man possessing non-realistic manga images was ultimately found not guilty of possessing child pornography:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#Sweden

Should the matter arise, we would vigorously defend our position, as we believe there is no public interest served in forbidding the depictions of fictional non-human characters in sexual situations.

We have never been contacted by any law enforcement on this topic - or any other. We suspect most prosecutors have their hands full dealing with images and instances of actual child abuse, which we do not host or support.

Best wishes, cheese and carrots,
"Best wishes, cheese and carrots,". I swear if the person who wrote this was murdered tomorrow there'd be like 20,000 suspects.

Adding bestiality to your pedophilia doesn't make it more acceptable.
 
14 is legal in japan and many other places though.
Also theres really not much difference between a 14-15 years old drawing and 18.
When I used to watch saint seya as a kid, I always thought the protagonists were 18 yo. It's only many years later that I discovered they were all 14.
False. The age of consent is determined by prefecture, which range from sixteen to eighteen. The national law from the Meiji era, when thirteen was pretty normal even in the West, only applies to the Marcus and Okinotori Islands, which are illegal for civilians to set foot on in the first place.
 
So reading more about this VN, apparently it was archived by Debian staff (whatever that is), and there was a lot of controversy behind it:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2014/03/msg00039.html
My fucking sides.
Unteralterbach almost made it into the official Debian repository. Any Debian user would have been able to type Apt-get install unteralterbach into their terminal and start playing immediately.
Feminist ruining everything again. Not letting those poor linux users play their loli games.
 
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