Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

[Cato]

Wow, this thread turned out to be a massive honeypot. If that had been the intention of the OP I'd actually have to hand it to them, but unfortunately they were obviously sincere.

Anyways, this actually is a legitimate and interesting legal question, which is why in some developed countries drawn depictions of CP is illegal and in others it is legal. However, the argument about legality is a blatantly obvious smokescreen here and legal status wouldn't make it any less gross or worthy of condemnation. It has fairly little to do with whether it's "bad."

@Roasted - Were you actually expecting validation here?

 

[DadaistVizor]

@Roasted - Were you actually expecting validation here?

Probably yes

 

[Sidon's fleshlight]

My fucking sides.
Unteralterbach almost made it into the official Debian repository. Any Debian user would have been able to type Apt-get install unteralterbach into their terminal and start playing immediately.
Feminist ruining everything again. Not letting those poor linux users play their loli games.

Their email for their DNSProtection (yes, they're more than aware they're subjects for doxing) is abuse@nearlyfreespeech.net
Put in the subject "Domain Administrator Number 27736 Violation" and reference that they are breaking the Protect Act of 2003

TL;DR:
Email: abuse@nearlyfreespeech.net
Subject: Domain Administrator Number 27736 Violation

Spoiler: Body:

Hello there,


I would like to report that Domain Administrator Number 27736 (http://unteralterbach.net/index.en.html) is violation one of your terms, being the legality of their content that they host.


They are hosting content which violates the US law known as the Protect Act of 2003. And within Title 18 U.S. Code § 1466A, which states:
"Any person who … knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and

(B) is obscene; shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(2)"


followed later by with 18 U.S.C. § 2252A:


"shall be … imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 20 years.”

And while it seems that they are hosted in Germany, it still checks both of your terms in order to deem the content as breaking ToS.
And for more information, here is an article reading regarding Protect Act of 2003: https://pastebin.com/VjTswTye

 

[Scratch This Nut]

Friendly reminder that it's not weird or closed minded to find the idea of fapping to children, even if it's a drawing, gross.

 

[DadaistVizor]

Feminist ruining everything again. Not letting those poor linux users play their loli games.

Wtf I hate feminists now

 

[purepowerlevel]

At what point does the deterrent effect of putting people away for this sort of stuff stop being useful though.

You'd think that if it were equally illegal to steal a pack of gum, and look at drawings of theft, you'd be more likely to take the plunge into committing the crime itself because if you get caught they both carry the same penalty.

What's the point of equating something that has a tangible effect on real victims and a literally victimless act that maybe serves as a gateway (but is yet unproven). Edging a little close to dystopia a la Minority Report.

Your argument has some rhetorical appeal, but the more I thought about it, the less merit I think it has.

Do we have reason to believe that only thieves enjoy pictures depicting theft? Do pictures of theft provide a good signal that it's a safe place for thieves to congregate in kind? Is the theft in the pictures used as a jumping off point to discuss stealing tactics and normalize theft? Are we talking about theft pictured incidentally in cartoons, or pictures only created to glamorize stealing? Is the gum a metaphor for innocence and peace of mind?

More to the point, the problem with the equivalence that you're making is that you imply that restricted access to loli may in some indirect manner cause pedos to escalate their crimes in the sense of "in for a penny in for a pound." I don't think that assault should be legal, just because if people are going to jail for it anyway they'll probably just rationally decide to finsh the deed and kill the fucker.

To be clear: I don't think we should be locking people up for cartoon pictures, but the merchants/consumers of loli are still categorically scum.

 

[Dirt McGirt]

What did I ever do throughout my life just to end up reading 10+ pages of randos on the internet argue about the intricacies of jerking it to cartoons?

(Maybe this is a sign that I need to get out more)

 

[Trash Eater]

How is it that "Hide your powerlevel" is the only universal forum warning but threads like these still pop up?

 

[Yeeb-Renzo]

is aging up child characters any better?

 

[Scratch This Nut]

is aging up child characters any better?

Not really.

 

[Boroqcin]

is aging up child characters any better?

You tell me.
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?utf8=✓&tags=age_progression+&ms=1

Spoiler: The answer is...

No.

 

[AnOminous]

Anyone whose response to the OP's question is something other than "kill yourself" needs to kill himself. Or herself. Or whatever pronoun you prefer, just stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

 

[Schwachkopf]

If someone was taking photos of your childrens (or even drawing them in sexual depiction) and jerking off to it, what would you do? For me i would have to use lethal action regardless of whether the pedos action were harmless or not.


I don't wanna powerlevel too much but i have extreme negative viewpoint regarding pedophilia, even if the pedo is harmless and doesn't want to fuck a child, i am still against them.

The short answer is yes, it's degenerate and bad.

 

[LofaSofa]

wait so lolis are cp??? so i cant fap to my kawai waifu loli anymore???

Spoiler

haHa i bet those cuShions are so tighT Mm, yeah.

 

[CWCchange]

What did I ever do throughout my life just to end up reading 10+ pages of randos on the internet argue about the intricacies of jerking it to cartoons?

(Maybe this is a sign that I need to get out more)

It's the final days of Rome all over again.

 

[Nazi vegeta]

False. The age of consent is determined by prefecture, which range from sixteen to eighteen. The national law from the Meiji era, when thirteen was pretty normal even in the West, only applies to the Marcus and Okinotori Islands, which are illegal for civilians to set foot on in the first place.

Interesting. I kept reading people who said that 14, was the legal age, a lot all over the net, so I took it for granted.

 

[Bob's Fries]

These kinds of threads make me want to slowly die inside. Why.

 

[Schwachkopf]

I am surprised even kiwifarms has pedo-defending freaks, i feel like i wanna scoop my eyeballs out with a spoon after reading the entire thread.

 

[Transvaalan]

Of course its terrible, it distracts state hired pedorapists from sodomizing the forcibly seized babies of dissidents for a whole minute, ruining efficiency and missing quotas by 10 destroyed anuses a month.

 

[Cato]

I am surprised even kiwifarms has pedo-defending freaks

Troll-shielding explains why that's the case even though the Two Minutes Hate here is directed at pedos half the time.