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You think that's bad, there's also "hir."
Megathread Non-binary genders / Enbies - When Male and Female Aren't Special Enough
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Urban Superstition
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Nothing will beat the pronouns “shi/hir/hirs” and “hy/hym/hys”
http://pronoun-provider.tumblr.com/pronouns
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Look at all those fake pronouns...
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The person I know who wears a They/Them button to class has a new button. It says 'Ze/Zym/Zer'. Really, Jacki?
You can be a he, a she, or a they. Anything else is going too far. Not just because I think they're silly, but also because pronouns in English are part of a closed class. What that means is that some parts of speech can have new words frequently added, like nouns or verbs, and some parts can't. English pronouns have been basically the same for over a thousand years. Here's a passage from Beowulf, written in Old English c. 1000:
Syððan ærest wearð feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad, weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah, oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra ofer hronrade hyran scolde, gomban gyldan.
Not that I'm necessarily a prescriptivist, but I find it highly unlikely English speakers would suddenly start using a gender neutral pronoun other than 'they'.
You can be a he, a she, or a they. Anything else is going too far. Not just because I think they're silly, but also because pronouns in English are part of a closed class. What that means is that some parts of speech can have new words frequently added, like nouns or verbs, and some parts can't. English pronouns have been basically the same for over a thousand years. Here's a passage from Beowulf, written in Old English c. 1000:
Syððan ærest wearð feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad, weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah, oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra ofer hronrade hyran scolde, gomban gyldan.
Not that I'm necessarily a prescriptivist, but I find it highly unlikely English speakers would suddenly start using a gender neutral pronoun other than 'they'.
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Petition · Theresa May MP: Make it easier for transgender people of all ages to transition, especially under 18 · Change.org
Found this gem on my facebook feed. There's so much wrong with people transitioning under 18 for so many reasons- even 18 is iffy to me. Not only are most people who would consider doing that at 16 (the age that the petition suggests) still going through puberty, their brain hasn't developed fully, and won't be until they're in their 20s.
"The belief that 18 is the age you become an adult and can make your own decisions". Well yeah, you can't get a tattoo until you're 18 because that shit is permanent. If you wouldn't let your kid get a tattoo until they're 18, then don't say they can transition before 18. You need to be mature before you make such a life-changing, permanent choice that can leave you infertile, as well as many other irreversible changes to your body. Remember the Australian boy that started HRT at 12 and then changed his mind after 2 years of transition? I know that's a far cry from 16, but still, the brain was developing and so was this boy as he went from child to adult.
Sure your kid can say they're trans but causing all those changes that soon could have a pretty bad effect on them, especially if they're still going through the stage of finding who they are during their teenage years. Some people are still doing that as adults.
I don't know if this belongs here, but it seems that the majority of people advocating for a lower transitioning age are genderfluids and genderspecials from what I've seen. I don't know about the people who signed it (other than my friend who shared it) or the creator, I'm just going by the people I see advocating for kids to transition in general.
Found this gem on my facebook feed. There's so much wrong with people transitioning under 18 for so many reasons- even 18 is iffy to me. Not only are most people who would consider doing that at 16 (the age that the petition suggests) still going through puberty, their brain hasn't developed fully, and won't be until they're in their 20s.
"The belief that 18 is the age you become an adult and can make your own decisions". Well yeah, you can't get a tattoo until you're 18 because that shit is permanent. If you wouldn't let your kid get a tattoo until they're 18, then don't say they can transition before 18. You need to be mature before you make such a life-changing, permanent choice that can leave you infertile, as well as many other irreversible changes to your body. Remember the Australian boy that started HRT at 12 and then changed his mind after 2 years of transition? I know that's a far cry from 16, but still, the brain was developing and so was this boy as he went from child to adult.
Sure your kid can say they're trans but causing all those changes that soon could have a pretty bad effect on them, especially if they're still going through the stage of finding who they are during their teenage years. Some people are still doing that as adults.
I don't know if this belongs here, but it seems that the majority of people advocating for a lower transitioning age are genderfluids and genderspecials from what I've seen. I don't know about the people who signed it (other than my friend who shared it) or the creator, I'm just going by the people I see advocating for kids to transition in general.
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To think that in 5-10 years from now we're going to see a good chunk of people who were peer pressured into taking hormones and medications they didn't need and permanently altered themselves by nb and trans "advocates" with agendas and fellow teenagers who were going through puberty and struggling to adjust to all the changes happening to their bodies and vulnerable to suggestion.
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Don't forget that puberty means also SEXUAL MATURATION. These children are being denied an important step in human development.
Boys who never went through puberty are left sterilized, with pre-pubertal genitals and no sexual feelings. Then there are the hormones and gnrh agonists they have to take which have also horrible side effects.
Female genitals on the other hand become dry and grossly swollen. The dryness causes the thinning of the skin which leads to pain and bleeding. They also have to deal with much more side effects of grnh agonists and testosterone.
There are also gender doctors like Johanna Olson who want to get rid of age restrictions for genital surgery.
Gender nonconforming children are facing a horrible future.
Boys who never went through puberty are left sterilized, with pre-pubertal genitals and no sexual feelings. Then there are the hormones and gnrh agonists they have to take which have also horrible side effects.
Female genitals on the other hand become dry and grossly swollen. The dryness causes the thinning of the skin which leads to pain and bleeding. They also have to deal with much more side effects of grnh agonists and testosterone.
There are also gender doctors like Johanna Olson who want to get rid of age restrictions for genital surgery.
Gender nonconforming children are facing a horrible future.
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Gender doctors should know better than anyone that children transitioning is a really awful idea.
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And if they're from any country with free healthcare, expect them to treat the consequences out of the taxpayer's pocket.
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Man, the place I'm from recently raised the age to buy cigarettes from 18 to 21, because 18 year olds are really dumb and people would prefer they not start smoking, since it can fuck you up forever.
And we know what cigarettes do to you! The amount of research on the effects of high amounts of testosterone on women is really, really small. In the US, it's an off-label prescription for FTMs, meaning it has a different use than what the FDA has approved it for. Usually off-label prescriptions are for when people are really desperate, like how the first AIDS drug was a 60s cancer medication found sitting in an NCI basement. There's nothing physically wrong with any of these people!
And from the small amount of research that has been done and a large amount of personal anecdata, there are a lot of potential side effects, from cancer to kidney problems. And this is just if you really 'are' trans, and not someone who doesn't have true dysphoria. There's going to be a lot of girls rendered permanently sterile, probably with no boobs since most of them get top surgery, and never looking totally feminine ever again.
Even in the US this could potentially be bad for everyone else, because health care costs are shared due to the nature of health insurance and also because emergency rooms aren't legally allowed to turn people away.
And we know what cigarettes do to you! The amount of research on the effects of high amounts of testosterone on women is really, really small. In the US, it's an off-label prescription for FTMs, meaning it has a different use than what the FDA has approved it for. Usually off-label prescriptions are for when people are really desperate, like how the first AIDS drug was a 60s cancer medication found sitting in an NCI basement. There's nothing physically wrong with any of these people!
And from the small amount of research that has been done and a large amount of personal anecdata, there are a lot of potential side effects, from cancer to kidney problems. And this is just if you really 'are' trans, and not someone who doesn't have true dysphoria. There's going to be a lot of girls rendered permanently sterile, probably with no boobs since most of them get top surgery, and never looking totally feminine ever again.
Even in the US this could potentially be bad for everyone else, because health care costs are shared due to the nature of health insurance and also because emergency rooms aren't legally allowed to turn people away.
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Maybe, but why would they actually care if it does or not? They're making solid bank on destroying the futures of these kids - just look at the price of Lupron. It's a gold mine for the unscrupulous.
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I don't know if they can be sued for it. I've not done much research into it. I know that if someone is misdiagnosed and put on hormones and regrets it then whoever did that could possibly lose their job I think. Saw a story about a trender that went on hormones after bullshitting the therapist, got misdiagnosed and put on hormones, life was hell for them and they got real dysphoria, if the parents weren't apologetic on behalf of their stupid attention seeking child, but instead reported it, the therapist could have lost her job. I don't know about the people that will sell it to you though. I don't know anyone who has brought up grievances with the people who sell it.
Usually it would be seen as the fault of whoever diagnosed them with GID/Gender Dysphoria and said they should go on hormones, wouldn't it?
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Would the doctor lose their job? If the person looks like a tranz and acts like a tranz, how would the doctor know they're not? If I went to a psychiatrist and pretended to be schizophrenic and they prescribed me anti-psychotics, could I sue them and win for the negative effects of the anti-psychotics? The doctor was acting in good faith, because people don't usually pretend to be crazy.
And on that, how would the informed consent model fit into this?
And on that, how would the informed consent model fit into this?
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Every time someone mentions two spirit they fail to list what tribes they are talking about. Therefore they are insinuating that every Native American tribe is just one big red skinned lump with the same culture. That is entirely false. Someone should tell them how racist they are being and that if they aren't from a tribe that believes such a thing then they are guilty of cultural appropriation. They really should hold up their own tenets here and stop being so ignorant. But they won't. You'd just be shut down for being non-binaryphobic or something fake and retarded like that.
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Two-spirits, kathoeys, hijiras, etc. really shouldn't be included in any article on Western gender identities. They're 'non-binary' in the sense of being neither men nor women, but other than that they don't have a lot in common with tumblr non-binary types.
honestly a lot of 'third genders' are societies putting effeminate gay men in their own gender slot because they're not 'real' men; you can see shades of this in western society in the 'sexual invert' theories of the 19th century.
honestly a lot of 'third genders' are societies putting effeminate gay men in their own gender slot because they're not 'real' men; you can see shades of this in western society in the 'sexual invert' theories of the 19th century.
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Yeah, aren't a lot of traditional "third gender" categories in various cultures actually a product of those cultures having rather strict gender roles and primarily include groups who'd be considered binary gendered in modern society? Usually effeminate gay men and trans women in particular?
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What about “it?” As in “It is a looney troon.”
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yeah
also tumblr non-binaries HATE the idea that there's a 'right' way to look/act/be non-binary, but third genders usually have very defined societal roles
you could argue, and people do, that trans women are a product of our culture's gender roles too
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To be honest I think there is a "right" way to be nonbinary. I'm just going to insert my two cents due to all the nb people I'm forced to be in contact with. I think making an effort to look/sound androgynous, and actually having dysphoria is a key thing. I don't agree with 73 or so genders, that's stupid. However if someone actually is a grown ass adult thinking they're "in between" or "both" and seems to make an effort i'll be more likely to take them seriously.
Funnily enough the one person I know who seems to actually be dead serious about being nb, absolutely hates genderfluid-identifying people and the idea of 72 genders, even they think it's complete bullshit. They're a believer in the "four points" theory ("male, female, both, neither, and that's it.").
In a way, I get it. Every other of the 72 (or however many there are now) genders that isn't both or neither seems to either be an aesthetic gender or a re-hash of those two, like "demiboy".
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It's interesting that they want the age lowered so they can make stupid, permanently life altering decisions while they are still young and stupid. That says a lot about the general mentality of the average Tumblr transtrender.
In a few years most of them will end up depressed. Possibly suicidal. Remember kids, dicks don't grow back.
Adults smarter and more mature than them are trying to protect them from making serious mistakes. I'm really hoping that this disease doesn't spread to the next generation and that it will be viewed as so exceptional no one wants to repeat it again.
I've seen a documentary on hijiras. They don't live same paradise life. Many are prostitutes and homeless. They aren't magically accepted by the entire community. For every one that has a good life there are dozens who don't.
Genderspecials are constantly saying that the west is so far behind these magically accepting cultures and that we need to adopt the same sort of acceptance. But isn't that like cultural appropriation? If we tried to push any of our ideologies onto those cultures tumblrinas would be REEEEing in mass number about how we were colonizing. They only want to pick and choose aspects they like (i.e. cultural appropriation). But those aspects tend to be very sugar coated and based on idealism rather than reality.
I imagine that acceptance of gender non-conformity in primitive times was probably based on some sort of need for numbers. If a male was useless as a man at least he could weave baskets, sew clothes and pick berries. An extra pair of hands is always useful. When there are rigid gender roles than people who don't conform have to go somewhere. That is in societies that aren't so strict that they cast you out or kill you.
We aren't those cultures. The west tends to be accepting enough that we allow for a lot of variation for men and women. There's no need for non-binary because it doesn't make sense in a culture that already allows that variation. We aren't that rigid. So we don't need special categories like hajira. Be a feminine man or a masculine woman. Be more neutral. You don't even have to troon out. Because in the west you are likely to be seen as pretty normal unless you take it to extremes.
But they don't want to be normal. They want to be special.
A lot of the genders have descriptions that are just identical but worded differently to create the illusion that they are different. So you are just picking the words you like best. They tend to be based on feelings and not society or culture. And that's why they aren't accepted beyond tumblr and other dens of snowflakedom. Because the genders, pronouns and sexualities that most of us are familiar with and accept, or at least acknowledge the existence of, are all based on what our society and culture accepts and believes in general. Being a demisexual microboy with ze/zem/zey pronouns is not going to fly because most people deem it ludicrous and stupid. They have absolutely no cultural basis whatsoever. And trying to force one to come into being isn't going to work. The average person seems to really hate the thought of all these genders and pronouns. So they are not going to fly. It's just not happening. It's a stupid fad.
It's possibly that a few will eventually stick as long as they are reasonable. But they'll be on the fringe. And they won't be "invent your own pronouns" and "wheel of genders". It's not happening.
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