Cultcow Russell Greer / Mr. Green / @ just_some_dude_named_russell29 / A Safer Nevada PAC - Swift-Obsessed Sex Pest, Convicted of E-Stalking, "Eggshell Skull Plaintiff" Pro Se Litigant, Homeless, aspiring brothel owner

[Time To Think]

Nobody can have Hair that greasy, right? I thought he just sprinkled water on it or he used too much "Sexy Hair concepts hardup gel"

 

[Ass-burgers]

December 3rd, 2009, according to Russ' book, which we know is 100% accurate.

There is no way he was a senior in 09. I'm the same age as this dude and I was a sophomore then. Either fuck face forgot the date or its just another lie. Going by his track record it could be both.

 

[Purple Panther]

There is no way he was a senior in 09. I'm the same age as this dude and I was a sophomore then. Either fuck face forgot the date or its just another lie. Going by his track record it could be both.

Um...that would make you 21 at graduation. Most people graduate at 17-18 so him being a senior during the 09/10 year is actually reasonable...if anything a year late.

 

[Barbarella]

I’m sorry, this is long.

Every state has a different ed code, and every district in every state has different rules. When I say this, I only speak for my own state, which isn’t Utah, but I can say that Columbine changed many things across the country.

THREATS
One is that schools take threats very seriously, and under no circumstances would it be considered a prank. Whether it’s written on a binder or the walls of a bathroom, a threat is believed. Every student knows this.

A student making a specific threat against the school or students-that is one thing that gets you instantly expelled. Having a weapon is another. There is no discussion, no pleadings-next board meeting, you are out.

Both will also get you arrested. However, it’s unlikely you’ll do much time on just a threat- just a couple days while they do a threat assessment.

MEDIA
How does the news media find out about these arrests? A few ways: a parent calls, a student calls, somebody calls 911 or cops talk to each other and the media hears- the media monitors police communications to find out about stuff like this.

Schools don’t want them to find out so there is some gamesmanship. Things happen in schools often that the media would publish, but they dont find out.

Office staff often have some special numbers they can call so it gets through to the resource officer instantly but isn’t 911, and it doesn’t always go out on police channels if it’s a controlled situation, and they may not do a normal dispatch.

Most districts have officers assigned to schools. They act like beat cops used to, and pop in on schools regularly. So it is possible that a cop was on campus when Russell’s hit list was found. A school has the right to search a student, and if Russ had a gun the VP might have found it but maybe the cop was already there. They can use regular phones to talk to each other and avoid the media. So they would arrest him and take him in and the news media wouldn’t get wind of it.

While threats on campus arent that common, (although it happens,) weapons are a pretty regular thing, although usually buck knives.

So nowadays, a school will make a robo-call to families after the situation is controlled. The principal gives as few details about an incident as possible but still tells parents the truth. You don’t want hysteria. He might have said “this is principal Higgins. Today, a student was found making a threat against the school, and we found a weapon on this student. We have determined that the threat was not credible and the student considered it a prank, but we want to assure you the student will not be back. We will have officers on campus the next few days to speak to you and let you know that school is a safe place for your child, blah blah”. That’s robo-calling is relatively new and I don’t know if they had the technology to do it when Russ was in school. They used to only tell the people involved but now they think it’s better to tell the entire community.

But still, if a parent hears that and doesn’t call the media, it stays quiet.

TIME SERVED
Now, we know Russ is a liar, a bad story teller. So he says he did weeks in jail but it may have just been a weekend. He could lie about how long he did to make him seem sympathetic. If he didn’t have a gun, he would have been able to be bailed out pretty quickly. If he did have a gun, then weeks is more likely. It depends on what the threat assessment showed too-was he gonna come back, was there still danger.... (Did you believe all that stuff about him being on student council in his book? I didn’t. ) Unfortunately, we can’t tell because his parents may not have bailed him out for so long for financial reasons, or to teach him a lesson. Or maybe he really had a gun. I think it’s possible that he had one but it’s equally possible that he didn’t. He’s so bad at the truth that we’ll never know.

The records may not be sealed though, if he was 19.

GRADUATING
In my state, you are required to give a free education until 19. If you haven’t graduated by then, bye-bye. Part of graduating from high school is time served. If you miss 40 days of senior year you don’t graduate. You also have to finish your classes, get your grades. He didn’t have enough credits to graduate, it doesn’t work like that-he literally has to finish. You get credit for classes when you take final exams-not for attending half the year.

If this happened in December, Russ would not be allowed to graduate. He would have missed nearly half the year. But because he’s under 19, and assuming Utah has that same rule, they could do several things: send him to a continuation high school, or let him home school and finish his work (usually a teacher meets with the student weekly). His diploma would be from the continuation school, not his old high school. He also could have gotten his GED instead.

TL;dr
So you can see that it’s possible that Russ had a gun and made a threat without the media catching wind of it. It is not possible that Russ had enough credit to graduate. It’s unlikely that he did more than a couple days of jail without a weapon, so if he’s telling the truth about it being weeks, he had a gun. But he’s a liar so.....

 

[Ass-burgers]

Um...that would make you 21 at graduation. Most people graduate at 17-18 so him being a senior during the 09/10 year is actually reasonable...if anything a year late.

...wait did I get the age wrong? He's 25, right? Last I checked it said he was 25.

 

[DuckSucker]

He's 26. He's a year younger than me and I was 19 in 2009 so I could see him being 18 and a senior in high school.

 

[Ass-burgers]

I think I just messed up my math on this. TBH I'm taking everything about this guy with a grain of salt. I don't believe it unless there's evidence to back it up.

 

[LiveFromNS]

I think I just messed up my math on this. TBH I'm taking everything about this guy with a grain of salt. I don't believe it unless there's evidence to back it up.

Exactly, I agree. @Barbarella's post was great, and yes I think it is entirely possible Russell did something like that, spent time etc.

BUT, on the flipside, Russell is a huge wimp and likes to puff himself up with bravado to overcompensate for his frozen face syndrome. While it is clear something happened, unless Russell himself posts some form of proof (like court papers etc.) I am going with he wrote the hit list, he got caught, he cried and cried and everyone took pity on him because they knew he would have no good life ahead of him since he talked like a freak and looked like one too!

If he did do any time in any form of clink, I bet he cried the whole time he was there. The guy is a pansy and a queer. He couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag. It's like the post he made about breaking that dude's neck. Yeah, right. I think that is why he is such a loud mouth on the internet. Again, he overcompensates for him walking around in near silence and scared of his shadow in the real world.

TL;DR-As said, a hit list/gun at school is pretty serious shit. While it could go under radar, if it indeed did, it's because Russell cried and disability.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

I have a cousin who looks a bit like this woman, and I'm thinking what the fuck does this character have pictures of my family for? But then again, a lot of people have similar looks.

 

[Bamboon McDrool]

Here's my reasoning for believing that Russ had a gun on the campus, and that it's not idle highschool rumour.

Russ himself acknowledges that he spent two weeks in prison following his actions. Given that he admits to two weeks, the reality is that it might have been considerably longer. Since he is (a) well-aware of the gun rumour and has not directly addressed it, nor (b) been capable of giving a specific, unambiguous and consistent account of the incident, having previously claimed to have written some harmless misinterpreted joke under the influence of painkillers following dental surgery and (c) in light of the fact that he never again was permitted to set foot on the school property (he claims that he had sufficient credits to graduate without having to return, which is convenient and doubtful), and (d) that I cannot imagine any way that he would have actually been in prison for two weeks or indeed any time at all for what he actually claims to have done, I am left with no alternative but to believe that he either made very specific threats, and/or that he made threats or comments of a vaguer nature that were concerning in light of the fact that he was also found to be armed on the premises.

I also see no reason to give Russell the benefit of the doubt here. It would have been very easy for Russell to clearly defend himself earlier in respect of these allegations if they were in fact untrue. Furthermore, to deny that Russell had any intentions of murder would be, to some extent, to defend Russell against the very evidence that he provided against himself in his bathroom grafitti. I see no reason to white knight for him in such a way, and I believe that, until I am presented with strong evidence to the contrary, I am fully justified in assuming that he did in fact attend the premises to do precisely what he said he wanted to do -- i.e. kill his classmates.

 

[SwiftlyRuiningRussell]

Russell: The media got it wrong when I sued Taylor Swift. They took my words and somehow twisted everything I said. They made me look like a liar. They're not good people. Don't believe anything posted about me online. The entire world is built on bigotry and everyone hates me.

Also Russell: Wow! Look at me! I'm an international news sensation! Everyone wants to interview me! Everyone wants to be me! Taylor Swift knows who I am and she secretly loves me! I always tell the truth! The problem isn't me! The problem is everyone else! I'm a champion for disabled rights and advocate for everyone! Please support me by buying my book! It's destined to be a best seller! Everyone is talking about it!

 

[Kugelsak Kastengrus 6th]

There are some schools that allow slow in the mind students to remain until they are 21.

A bit of powerleveling:
I went to school with a guy that remained there until he was 21. He never even made it to his senior year. Usually when they reach 21 and still haven't graduated, they are forced to attended twilight schools to eventually finish.

 

[Cilleystring]

Duuuurrrrr

 

[oasys]

It’s unlikely that he did more than a couple days of jail without a weapon, so if he’s telling the truth about it being weeks, he had a gun. But he’s a liar so.....

Imo the jail account is semi-believable. The only thing is, there's no way in hell that any of the inmates would know what he was in for, let alone try to attack him, unless he was annoying everyone by constantly whining about it. And if this jail even provided TV use I don't think the inmates would be watching Taylor Swift music videos. Just a hunch.

I'm inclined to believe he was in there a couple days rather than weeks because he would have complained so much more about the experience if so. It's odd he said nothing about having to shit and shower in front of people, shove horrible food down his slobberhole, be bored as fuck for days on end and so on...

 

[facepalm]

Russ went to high school in Wyoming.

My point is that if Russ was 18 then he was not a juvenile when it happened. There should be a court record. Wyoming is weird about court record requests though.

Also, it not being in the news is not unexpected. Evanston has a newspaper but it’s in the Salt Lake tv market. The newspaper is a rag and no one in SLC is gonna give a shit about a disabled 18 year old getting expelled in Wyoming.

 

[DrJonesHat]

Okay, it's pretty basic, but I made this:

Made using @Yellow Yam Scam 's cool gif.

Sir, if you do not win an award for production values, you have been robbed! Robbed I say!

 

[Marvin]

Guys, I take your point, but Russ claimed (via the graffiti) that he wanted to kill his classmates. Where the evidence is otherwise ambiguous - no thanks to Russell and his endless lies - why take a position that dismisses Russell's own expressed intentions? He says he wants to kill people, the rumor is that he acted in a way to try to kill people, and so I dislike the guy enough to not defend him by claiming his words were not fully meant in earnest.

Yeah, I guess I'm prejudiced. He's such a clearly evil man, which is something that is surprisingly easy to overlook with all the autism and lowcowness, and everyone in his vicinity is immeasurably lucky that he's limited by his cowardice. One day when he's got nothing to lose - or to be accurate, when he eventually recognises that he has nothing to lose - he will murder, I'm sure of it.

So, I get what you're saying. Russell Greer absolutely is a slimy turd of a human being*.

* debatable

However, the reason why we try to truthfully document info on him isn't to defend him, but to preserve the objectivity of our facts. Cracking jokes about him is fine, but we shouldn't let our disgust for the man damage our fact checking. Compare kiwifarms to ED, for example. Readers of ED have to sift through lots of bullshit to figure out what exactly is going on, and the end result is that few people actually trust what they read on ED.

There's a reason why kiwifarms gets cranky lolcows trying to take it down every few days, and in comparison, ED is all but forgotten.

That's because when you come to a kiwifarms thread and read some juicy content on a lolcow, you know it's true. The most common accusation I've seen leveled against kiwifarms isn't that we're lying or that we're inaccurate, but that we're mean to trannies. And that's a reputation we don't want to lose.

Kiwifarms: being mean to trannies (and slack jawed bamboons) every day!

 

[Paige Matheson]

Here's my reasoning for believing that Russ had a gun on the campus, and that it's not idle highschool rumour.

Russ himself acknowledges that he spent two weeks in prison following his actions. Given that he admits to two weeks, the reality is that it might have been considerably longer. Since he is (a) well-aware of the gun rumour and has not directly addressed it, nor (b) been capable of giving a specific, unambiguous and consistent account of the incident, having previously claimed to have written some harmless misinterpreted joke under the influence of painkillers following dental surgery and (c) in light of the fact that he never again was permitted to set foot on the school property (he claims that he had sufficient credits to graduate without having to return, which is convenient and doubtful), and (d) that I cannot imagine any way that he would have actually been in prison for two weeks or indeed any time at all for what he actually claims to have done, I am left with no alternative but to believe that he either made very specific threats, and/or that he made threats or comments of a vaguer nature that were concerning in light of the fact that he was also found to be armed on the premises.

I also see no reason to give Russell the benefit of the doubt here. It would have been very easy for Russell to clearly defend himself earlier in respect of these allegations if they were in fact untrue. Furthermore, to deny that Russell had any intentions of murder would be, to some extent, to defend Russell against the very evidence that he provided against himself in his bathroom grafitti. I see no reason to white knight for him in such a way, and I believe that, until I am presented with strong evidence to the contrary, I am fully justified in assuming that he did in fact attend the premises to do precisely what he said he wanted to do -- i.e. kill his classmates.

Russ didn't go to Prison he went to jail. I thought this whole he had a gun thing started because of one comment on that newspaper article? I don't think Russ had a gun. If he had a gun, he would've have done more than 2 weeks in jail. I think if he had a gun, and if he would've been able to get out of it due to being certified crazy or whatever, he would have had to do time in a psychiatric Hospital. If he had a gun, I'm sure that by now, we would have more than just that one person commenting about it on the newspaper article or elsewhere.
Also, if he had a gun, I'm sure it would've been in at least the local newspaper. I don't buy the he had a gun story at all. Also, I don't think he would be hired by any attorney if he had been arrested for having a gun.
I don't think you can get something like that expunged from your record, even if he did his time in a psychiatric hospital.

 

[xyrichard]

Apparently charges were dropped.

 

[Done]

So, I get what you're saying. Russell Greer absolutely is a slimy turd of a human being*.

* debatable

However, the reason why we try to truthfully document info on him isn't to defend him, but to preserve the objectivity of our facts. Cracking jokes about him is fine, but we shouldn't let our disgust for the man damage our fact checking. Compare kiwifarms to ED, for example. Readers of ED have to sift through lots of bullshit to figure out what exactly is going on, and the end result is that few people actually trust what they read on ED.

There's a reason why kiwifarms gets cranky lolcows trying to take it down every few days, and in comparison, ED is all but forgotten.

That's because when you come to a kiwifarms thread and read some juicy content on a lolcow, you know it's true. The most common accusation I've seen leveled against kiwifarms isn't that we're lying or that we're inaccurate, but that we're mean to trannies. And that's a reputation we don't want to lose.

Kiwifarms: being mean to trannies (and slack jawed bamboons) every day!

IMO, this happens because whenever people discuss lolcows, they tend to gravitate towards the more sensationalized version of the facts, if not outright lies at times (Like calling Chris a pedofork for example, yes his mannerisms may suggest that, but when you examine him a bit closer, you'll see he's not), people like Russell or Chris are so outrageous, you can accuse them of nearly anything and it will stick no matter what.

The problem is when you constantly go for the funny over the actual facts, you lose your trustworthiness as a community & as a platform. Just like ED did, besides, skewering the lolcows with factual evidence of their failures is just far funnier and gives us many more chimp outs.