UN ISIS Calls For Assassination on Trump's Kid - Good luck with that faggots
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At which point is this supposed to have happened?
Looking at the attack on Pearl Harbor individually, it was brilliantly executed, but the idea behind the attack was severely flawed and based on an incredibly arrogant misunderstanding of western/american culture and a complete lack of knowledge regarding the american economy.
This might come as a shock to you, but the japanese in 1941 didn't know about the outcome of the war in 1945. They actually expected to win the war. So did Germany. And Napoleon thought he could take Moscow. We only know how foolish that was cause -surprise- we know how it turned out in the end.
I'll ask you again: How exactly was 'murrica tricking Japan into attacking them?
What you're saying essentially boils down to:
"It was a stupid idea to attack and sure to backfire, so it must have been instigated by the US cause they were the only ones that profitted from it."
Unless your point is that it was a false flag where american pilots attacked their own ships I have no clue how this is supposed to make sense.
You disregard several decades of japanese aggression and imperialism in Asia. Something that I have pointed out to you twice.
I'd say you have a rather limited understanding of history, if you see from such a jingoistic and US-centric PoV that you don't even know what the fuck was going on in the Pacific before Pearl Harbor.
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I think I discussed how American brass ignoring the warning signs was due to incompetence, and he somehow turned it around in his brain as me saying that all of America is pants-shitting retarded.
Which, I mean, there's a difference between being incompetent in the moment and being incompetent five minutes after the fact.
One happened. The other most certainly did not, and that's why WW2 ended the way it did for Japan.
Which, I mean, there's a difference between being incompetent in the moment and being incompetent five minutes after the fact.
One happened. The other most certainly did not, and that's why WW2 ended the way it did for Japan.
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It's alright, they are allowed to have their own opinions. I'm more inclined to side with Gore Vidal. I could be completely and utterly wrong.
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Don't water it down. You're not merely wrong, you're autistically paranoid.
Like legit dude, own your crazy paranoid sperging. Own it.
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I thought those were the 9/11 Planes were missiles, Microwave beam from space hit the Twin Towers was the autistically paranoid stuff. After reading through Historian and Essayist Gore Vidals works, I'm leaning towards the side that Governments are inherently self serving, and will put forward whatever official line is deemed expedient in order to keep the public on side. As Governments throughout history have done.
There's no need to get personal about it.
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I think you have autism.
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I think Barron did Pearl Harbour.
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Are governments inherently self-serving? Yes. Does this mean that every coincidence in history is evidence of a government false flag? Depends on how autistic you are.
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He practically is a potato
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The biggest flaw was not sending the planned third wave to take out the base infrastructure, such as dry docks and especially the oil tanks. If they pulled that off we'd have been unable to wage the war we did in the Pacific for at least 2 years.
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In that regard is similar to the Siege of Stalingrad, apparently. The Wehrmacht could have instead attacked another city, which stored a large amount of crude oil etc, meaning the Red Army would have been stranded in Russia, even if they had managed to throw Germany back... though I don't know how much truth is to that story, tbh.
The punchline to this whole debate, though, is that I do think there are a few rather noteworthy aspects to the attack on Pearl Harbor, that should raise some eyebrows - such as the americans deciphering the japanese declaration of war that was send to the japanese embassy way way quicker than the japs themselves but then -for some reason- not notifying the higher ups immediately.
Or the Radar station that was picking up the japanese planes on their way towards the base that was told to shut down.
Or the USS Ward, which engaged a (as it turned out later: japanese) mini-sub hours before the attack, yet somehow that didn't put anyone on alert at all, it seems.
The latter two can be more or less explained with people being insanely careless.
The first one not so much.
But to insinuate that the americans instigated the War with Japan is absolutely ludicrous.
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High ranking members of the military and Presidential aides likened the sanctions by the US to a provocation the Japanese would not back down from. The Secretary of War at the time wrote about discussions with FDR of how they could get the Japs to strike first so we could enter the war. He even lamented in his diary that the base commander at Pearl Harbor did not take warnings of impending attack seriously and the base was not prepared to respond to one. The FDR administration knew what it was doing and that it would draw a violent response. It was just bloodier and executed more cleanly than they had hoped.
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The point is, these sanctions were in reaction to Japan going completely apeshit on every neighboring nation within a thousand mile radius. And as long as America wasn't dragged into the fray, their hands were bound, since it would have been impossible to make the population support the war if the Americans started it.
The water in that Navy base was actually considered too shallow for plane-deployed Torpedos, since they'd hit the ground before stabilizing. Unfortunately, the Japanese managed to modify their Torpedoes in a way that made them useable, even in such shallow water.
Without the Torpedoes, most damage to the ships would have been above the waterline or at the superstructure.
I would assume that lead a few people to be overly confident about the safety of their ships and the base.
The biggest flaw in the whole "The US let Pearl Harbor happen so they could go to war" is that phase 1 of that plan would be "Let's allow the enemy to kick our shit in real good" and Phase 2 would be "Go to war with broken toys". Seems kind of ass-backwards if you ask me.
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I kind of doubt anyone that doesn't already hate ISIS would change their mind because they offed Trump's kid, tbh.
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Exactly. They knew something was going to happen, they just didn't want or expect it to be as bad as Pearl Harbor. Lots of people get bogged down in the details and what actually happened. So in their mind, the government wanted an excuse to get involved in the war, the attack on Pearl Harbor happened, the US got involved in the war. That means the government let Pearl Harbor happen. No, miscalculations and blunders allowed Pearl Harbor to happen. The FDR administration had a much less costly version of Pearl Harbor in mind.
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Another good hint that they were expecting something can be seen in how they were eavesdropping on the japanese communications.
That alone isn't much of an indication, that's pretty much business as usual, but they managed to decipher the declaration of war before the japanese themselves did - that's a pretty good indication that they weren't half-assing it.