🤝 Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Android raptor]

They learned their lesson after Maladie maladied passed away.

Anyways, thoughts on disabled people having kids?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...yndrome-is-fighting-to-have-children.amp.html

People with downs are a world away from the Hartleys though. They can actually have a good quality of life as long as they have the right support, with many being surprisingly independent. As long as they have the resources, life skills, and support network I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to have kids (granted that sounds like it's an extremely rare occurrence anyway).

I have some mixed feelings on fundies intentionally having really fucked up kids, like anencephaly and other completely fucked conditions where a kid is gonna have no quality of life. On one hand women should be free to carry on pregnancies same as they should be free to get abortions, on the other people like the Jaxon Strong parents are scummy as fuck and absolutely are just exploiting their potato for pitybux in between making him have seizures.

I wonder if any of these people started only doubling down on the Jesus after they had a fucked up kid as a way to try and cope?

 

[AnOminous]

I wonder if any of these people started only doubling down on the Jesus after they had a fucked up kid as a way to try and cope?

If they actually deliberately went out and spawned a tard baby on purpose, they were probably already pretty high on the Jesus shit already.

 

[mulliganfarmer]

We have a tard baby at my church, and tbh it's incredibly frustrating. Because he's the oldest kid and they had pretty normal second and third kids, they're hellions. Screaming and running around during the service, being generally disruptive, and just unpleasant when they do manage to show up. They convinced the school district to give the oldest a high school diploma or something even though he's a vegetable.

That kind of thing is really common with healthy siblings of handicapped kids. One of the families I worked for had a severely disabled oldest child, a just-past toddler and a 9-month old baby, between seeing to the needs of the oldest and the baby the middle kid didn't get much attention unless he was acting up (from his parents, anyway; I tried to plan my days around giving each kid a fair share of my time.)

Spoiler: Spoilered for gross details about special needs care

Even kids who are completely vegetative need a lot of care to keep them fed, warm, clean and unhurt. Oldest kid had jagged teeth that would tear up his mouth and tongue if you didn't get him chewing on something, and he soiled his diapers more often than the baby, plus his shit was very liquid and acidic because he was fed pureed food. It could take upwards of an hour to feed him because he couldn't focus whereas I could pop the baby in his high chair with some toast to gum. If the baby was crying I had to take him away to soothe him because it would set the oldest screaming. Just about everything I did for that baby I also had to do for the older sibling who was six times bigger and six times heavier.

Meanwhile, middle kid would be waiting around for me to finish wrangling one of his siblings so I could read a book with him or play Ninja Turtles or build Lego, and we'd get five minutes in before older brother has projectile vomited over the kitchen or baby brother has crawled behind the sofa and gotten stuck. He was a good kid but there's only so much patience you can expect from a preschooler.

 

[Slowboat to China]

Jesus. Holoprosencephaly is the stuff of nightmares.

I can understand carrying a baby like that to term, though. Even if the condition means the baby is incompatible with life outside the womb, neonatal organ donations are becoming a thing. I found an article about a couple who chose to carry an anencephalic baby to term so that its organs could be donated and help other babies who had more of a chance.

(Disclaimer: I have no idea if this is possible in all cases. Results may vary. See store for details.)

But even for an asshole pro-lifer like me, I can't imagine keeping a horribly damaged, literally-brainless child alive to experience nothing but seizures forever and ever ... I mean, that sounds like something you'd find in Hell.

 

[Lunete]

The first thing I thought of when I read the OP:

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[Schmeckel]

The first thing I thought of when I read the OP:

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GET TO THE REACTOR.

 

[Aural Offramp]

They learned their lesson after Maladie maladied passed away.

Anyways, thoughts on disabled people having kids?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...yndrome-is-fighting-to-have-children.amp.html

It seems like if a person is of age and is fairly independent then there is no real reason that they shouldn't be allowed to have kids? Like people with DS often lead pretty full lives and are often just as or more responsible than other people around them who may or may not be "normal" (i.e: there are no laws against the cows documented on this site having kids for example).

I'd hope that the discussion would be regarding two Downs people though because two people on the same emotional and mental capacity level seems ok, while a person with Downs and a person who didn't have any kind of diminished capability could be a bit fucked up...

Just as fucked up as a couple giving birth to a baby that they knew would be severely disabled and then using that baby to beg for pocket change actually.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

People with downs are a world away from the Hartleys though. They can actually have a good quality of life as long as they have the right support, with many being surprisingly independent. As long as they have the resources, life skills, and support network I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to have kids (granted that sounds like it's an extremely rare occurrence anyway).

I have some mixed feelings on fundies intentionally having really fucked up kids, like anencephaly and other completely fucked conditions where a kid is gonna have no quality of life. On one hand women should be free to carry on pregnancies same as they should be free to get abortions, on the other people like the Jaxon Strong parents are scummy as fuck and absolutely are just exploiting their potato for pitybux in between making him have seizures.

I wonder if any of these people started only doubling down on the Jesus after they had a fucked up kid as a way to try and cope?

It seems like if a person is of age and is fairly independent then there is no real reason that they shouldn't be allowed to have kids? Like people with DS often lead pretty full lives and are often just as or more responsible than other people around them who may or may not be "normal" (i.e: there are no laws against the cows documented on this site having kids for example).

I'd hope that the discussion would be regarding two Downs people though because two people on the same emotional and mental capacity level seems ok, while a person with Downs and a person who didn't have any kind of diminished capability could be a bit fucked up...

Just as fucked up as a couple giving birth to a baby that they knew would be severely disabled and then using that baby to beg for pocket change actually.

I think there are some idealistic and unrealistic notions about people with DS in this thread. You’ll notice in the article about the DS couple wanting kids that it’s the parents of the DS couple, parents who love and know them better than anyone, saying it’s a very bad idea.

while DS kids and adults are worlds away from Hartleys and certainly can lead happy lives, they are not able to lead unsupervised, independent adult lives and to me that means kids are a bad idea. Being able to take care of yourself is the foundation of going on to be a parent and being wholly responsible for another life. DS ppl cannot care for themselves and therefore cannot safely care for children. Basically whoever cares for the DS adult woukd also have to care for any child.

In college I had two friends working on degrees in special education and they worked at programs for adults with DS. The absolute best case scenario for DS adults was supervised group home living with a menial job tailored to them. It may not be obvious but when you see a special needs person working in a place like McDonalds or a grocery store there is also a paid life skills adult on the job with them, watching (sometimes at a distance) to be sure they are handling the tasks and doing ok. I always thought it was a bit strange to pay an average intelligence adult $11 an hour to watch a special needs adult work a job for $6 an hour. The state usually pays for this as part of a day program through Medicaid.

The hardest thing for parents for DS adults is the worry of what will happen to their child once they are dead, because they will always need someone to care for them.

DS adults also have much shorter life spans than average. If they are lucky they will live to 40-50 but heart defects and a whole host of other medical issues are very common with DS.

If anyone is interested I could power level about a retarded woman (who was comparable to a very high functioning DS person) who had five kids. Long story short, the state and various relatives ended up with custody of all of them. Once the children weren’t babes in arms she lost interest, they were like dolls to her. She also required a team of social workers and aides in the home who basically did most of the care for the children until the neglect got to the point of removing them (again). It was a viscous cycle because it is illegal for the state to sterilize any handicapped person so she kept having children. (The father of the last child was at the same intelligence level she was via a childhood head injury. Idk about the father of the previous children).

The worst part was the children suffered the most, they were nightmares. Even with state intervention the effects due to poor prenatal self-care, neglect, inability of the mother to stimulate/interact appropriately, physical abuse occurromg when the mother got frustrated (and she got fusrtrated a lot) led to children who were already in special needs and behavior programs before kindergarten.

Edit: Tl;dr Nature makes DS males sterile for a reason. DS adults are not capable of caring for themselves much less a baby.

 

[Dysnomia]

We have a tard baby at my church, and tbh it's incredibly frustrating. Because he's the oldest kid and they had pretty normal second and third kids, they're hellions. Screaming and running around during the service, being generally disruptive, and just unpleasant when they do manage to show up. They convinced the school district to give the oldest a high school diploma or something even though he's a vegetable.

I hate it when they do that. But the school is probably afraid that if the don't they will end up being slammed all over the internet by fundies.

How dare you not give this precious gift from Jesus their diploma! May you burn in the eternal fires of Hell! *insert bible quotes here*

Jahi McMath was given a diploma by her middle school. Mama Nails claimed it was because she had finished out the required work already. But I think they just were so insistent and irritating that the school relented under fear of bad press. But at least they didn't wheel her bed into the classroom and force children to be taught in the same room as a corpse. But with the way things are going with mainstreaming every diapered tard that's unfit for public interaction that's probably next.

People with downs are a world away from the Hartleys though. They can actually have a good quality of life as long as they have the right support, with many being surprisingly independent. As long as they have the resources, life skills, and support network I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to have kids (granted that sounds like it's an extremely rare occurrence anyway).

I have some mixed feelings on fundies intentionally having really fucked up kids, like anencephaly and other completely fucked conditions where a kid is gonna have no quality of life. On one hand women should be free to carry on pregnancies same as they should be free to get abortions, on the other people like the Jaxon Strong parents are scummy as fuck and absolutely are just exploiting their potato for pitybux in between making him have seizures.

I wonder if any of these people started only doubling down on the Jesus after they had a fucked up kid as a way to try and cope?

I think that sometimes it's an act for attention. If you praise Jesus enough and throw some Bible quotes around then you can get a ton of fundies liking your page and reposting your precious little potato all over the place as proof that God works miracles. Because those are literally the only people who would oogle over your baby because it's a potato. Friends and Relatives probably just pity you and the child but try to act as polite as possible. Siblings having to deal with other kids teasing them over their potato sibling is difficult too. I imagine Cal probably had issues like that. And it could have been the reason behind him calling his sisters retards. But Gwen just humiliated Cal into submission by making him write an apology letter.

And it's probably hard to cope with the fact that you had a potato instead of a normal baby and now you must deal with it. So I can see Jesus becoming a coping mechanism. Jesus is supposed to love all children no matter what. So that means your child is just as important as everyone else's. It's just that they'll probably go to Heaven sooner than most.

Typing that up was actually kind of depressing.

Jesus. Holoprosencephaly is the stuff of nightmares.

I can understand carrying a baby like that to term, though. Even if the condition means the baby is incompatible with life outside the womb, neonatal organ donations are becoming a thing. I found an article about a couple who chose to carry an anencephalic baby to term so that its organs could be donated and help other babies who had more of a chance.

(Disclaimer: I have no idea if this is possible in all cases. Results may vary. See store for details.)

But even for an asshole pro-lifer like me, I can't imagine keeping a horribly damaged, literally-brainless child alive to experience nothing but seizures forever and ever ... I mean, that sounds like something you'd find in Hell.

It's really the only reason to carry to term. Although there are risks to the mother when she carries an abnormal fetus.

If they feel pain but can't think and have no sense of self it must be like being trapped in Hell where your sentence is knowing nothing but pain. Imagine feeling constant endless pain but you don't know what pain is or why it's happening. Because you can't think. You just feel the pain. You can't even distract yourself from it by hiding in your thoughts because you are unable to have thoughts.

But it seems like these parents actually believe their brain free potatoes have personalities and are just like other kids. But if you really thought that why would you subject your child to a life of pain like that?

Miscarriages of abnormal fetuses are a self preservation method. It allows the mother another chance to conceive a normal, healthy fetus. That way she doesn't needlessly expend energy for nine months and risk her life giving birth to a baby that has no chance at life. When the body doesn't miscarry a severely disabled fetus then abortion can correct nature's mistake. That way you can try again.

 

[Maggots on a Train]

I think there are some idealistic and unrealistic notions about people with DS in this thread. You’ll notice in the article about the DS couple wanting kids that it’s the parents of the DS couple, parents who love and know them better than anyone, saying it’s a very bad idea.

while DS kids and adults are worlds away from Hartleys and certainly can lead happy lives, they are not able to lead unsupervised, independent adult lives and to me that means kids are a bad idea. Being able to take care of yourself is the foundation of going on to be a parent and being wholly responsible for another life. DS ppl cannot care for themselves and therefore cannot safely care for children. Basically whoever cares for the DS adult woukd also have to care for any child.

In college I had two friends working on degrees in special education and they worked at programs for adults with DS. The absolute best case scenario for DS adults was supervised group home living with a menial job tailored to them. It may not be obvious but when you see a special needs person working in a place like McDonalds or a grocery store there is also a paid life skills adult on the job with them, watching (sometimes at a distance) to be sure they are handling the tasks and doing ok. I always thought it was a bit strange to pay an average intelligence adult $11 an hour to watch a special needs adult work a job for $6 an hour. The state usually pays for this as part of a day program through Medicaid.

The hardest thing for parents for DS adults is the worry of what will happen to their child once they are dead, because they will always need someone to care for them.

DS adults also have much shorter life spans than average. If they are lucky they will live to 40-50 but heart defects and a whole host of other medical issues are very common with DS.

If anyone is interested I could power level about a exceptional woman (who was comparable to a very high functioning DS person) who had five kids. Long story short, the state and various relatives ended up with custody of all of them. Once the children weren’t babes in arms she lost interest, they were like dolls to her. She also required a team of social workers and aides in the home who basically did most of the care for the children until the neglect got to the point of removing them (again). It was a viscous cycle because it is illegal for the state to sterilize any handicapped person so she kept having children. (The father of the last child was at the same intelligence level she was via a childhood head injury. Idk about the father of the previous children).

The worst part was the children suffered the most, they were nightmares. Even with state intervention the effects due to poor prenatal self-care, neglect, inability of the mother to stimulate/interact appropriately, physical abuse occurromg when the mother got frustrated (and she got fusrtrated a lot) led to children who were already in special needs and behavior programs before kindergarten.

Edit: Tl;dr Nature makes DS males sterile for a reason. DS adults are not capable of caring for themselves much less a baby.

Re: tards breeding, a few years after "the girl in the window" feral child was discovered in her mom's closet, I remember reading about how court tests had shown the mother was borderline retarded. She just fundamentally did not understand that it wasn't OK to never teach a kid to talk, walk, use the toilet, or eat real food. The house was filled with dirty diapers, literal shit, and bugs, and she saw nothing wrong. It sounds like where Kailyn and Maureen's spawn would end up if grandparents were not there to raise them.

Just yesterday, there was a ten-year update on her adaption. Nobody could fix her, the couple who adopted her divorced.

 

[Raging Capybara]

Jesus. Holoprosencephaly is the stuff of nightmares.

I can understand carrying a baby like that to term, though. Even if the condition means the baby is incompatible with life outside the womb, neonatal organ donations are becoming a thing. I found an article about a couple who chose to carry an anencephalic baby to term so that its organs could be donated and help other babies who had more of a chance.

(Disclaimer: I have no idea if this is possible in all cases. Results may vary. See store for details.)

But even for an asshole pro-lifer like me, I can't imagine keeping a horribly damaged, literally-brainless child alive to experience nothing but seizures forever and ever ... I mean, that sounds like something you'd find in Hell.

Because this I don't consider myself a pro-life, I'm a pro-brain.

 

[mulliganfarmer]

Re: tards breeding, a few years after "the girl in the window" feral child was discovered in her mom's closet, I remember reading about how court tests had shown the mother was borderline exceptional. She just fundamentally did not understand that it wasn't OK to never teach a kid to talk, walk, use the toilet, or eat real food. The house was filled with dirty diapers, literal shit, and bugs, and she saw nothing wrong. It sounds like where Kailyn and Maureen's spawn would end up if grandparents were not there to raise them.

Just yesterday, there was a ten-year update on her adaption. Nobody could fix her, the couple who adopted her divorced.

From what I've observed and read about, the blueprint for a kid's life going forward has to be set during the first five years. Language development, boundaries, self-soothing, eating habits are built from newborn onwards. Once they've gotten past the age of five their personalities are set in stone and can't be reversed without a huge amount of professional help, and sometimes that doesn't work either.

Spoiler: Spoilered for more child psychology sperging

I've worked with healthy neurotypical children of healthy neurotypical adults who ended up with attachment disorders because of a revolving door of au pairs coming in and out of their lives and parents that thought it was easier to just give in when they demanded something and then shouted at them for demanding more. No discipline because it took too long and no real bonding for the same reason, and you got a kid who would hide under a blanket for hours at a time, another one that wore the same dress day in day out to bed and made herself sick during tantrums, and the baby ignored in the bouncer all day. I see normal healthy somewhat decent parents make these kinds of mistakes all the time.

It's part of the reason so many adoptions fail. When you get a child that's older than a year part of the blueprint has already been established and the baby is more needy and difficult than average, being raised by someone who probably had an idea of what raising a kid was going to be like but the kid they got is not fitting that idea. If you get a toddler it's usually destructive, has maladaptive self-soothing behaviors (ie: rocking, public masturbation, stealing, playing with their own shit or piss etc.) and pushes against physical affection. Older than five and the kid most likely already has a raging case of Reactive Attachment Disorder which is pretty much impossible to treat.

If you can imagine having a parent that routinely forgets basic childcare like sterilizing bottles, testing food temperatures, keeping dangerous chemicals locked away, not co-sleeping in a risky manner or not putting enough clothes on the child before going out, not closing the stairgate every time, you have a developmentally disabled parent. Beyond that, having a parent that thinks their child is throwing tantrums because the child is a nasty bully or the child is allowed to eat constant junk food, watch unsuitable programs on TV and play with hazardous toys is a recipe for disaster. Beyond that, if the child makes it to teenagerhood and then gets resentful of all the basic stuff they missed out on because their parent is mentally a child you have a future criminal. That's if the kid isn't so badly neglected they develop isolation induced autism. If you can't raise a child without having to bring in someone else to do all the hard work, you probably shouldn't have the child.

Back on topic, I think part of the reason so many vegetable parents go the god-bothering route is because the vegetable child is so easy to project their own personality on and they end up preferring that child to their other normal but less compliant kid(s). It's easy to see having an incompatible-with-normal-life baby as a blessing when you realize it can't talk back, won't ever leave you and having it means you can get all kinds of other people to come in and do the hard work for you. I still think having Claire and Lola was, in her mind, the best thing that could happen to an attention whore like Gwen.

 

[Barbarella]

I can’t quote these text walls on my phone, but I did want to correct a misconception. In CA, at least, it is illegal for a school district to just hand over a high school or middle school diploma. There are requirements that are set by the government and must be met for the kid to earn that.

In Jahi’s case, if you look at the certificate issued, all it says is that she had been a member of the school community, or something similar. It was to appease the family but had no weight and wasn’t a promotion to high school.

A school can make something up to give suffering parents. But to actually graduate, the requirements must be complete and that is a law and not something schools can fudge. Attendance is one of those requirements as is final exams, so if a kid dies six months before graduation, they haven’t completed requirements and won’t be issued a real diploma. Those diplomas come from the state.

Of course, in most instances family doesn’t care about that, unless the kid dies right before graduation and did deserve it. .In that case, they may have completed everything and can be issued a diploma posthumously. But that’s not what happened with Jahi and likely not the tard baby discussed. Probably just some certificate saying the kid went there or whatever.

I agree with Minka about the Down’s reproducing. People with Down’s can be genial, kind, and work hard at very simple, repetitive tasks. Raising a child is anything but simple, and I would support any mother who wanted to sterilize her Down’s child early on. I am not sure if they are allowed, but maybe it should be an option. It’d be a lot better to permanently prevent a Down’s person from having a child than to maybe abort a genetically normal child just because parents can’t take care of it. Yes, that comes a little close to Eugenics but in the case of people who truly cannot make an intelligent decision, I’m for those who love them to make it. It’s when it becomes a mandate that it’s a problem.

If they can have medical power of attorney for other circumstances, why not this one?

 

[Petronella]

This thread just reminded me of the Myah Walker fiasco.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

This thread just reminded me of the Myah Walker fiasco.

I guess fake potato babies count too. Myah claimed holocephany (like Michael or the cyclops baby) as her fake ass babies diagnosis. It speaks to the martyr complex that a crazy, fundie, con woman, attention whore par excellence would chose that. Low and behold her fake baby had the “real” miracle narrative and her reborn doll arrived totally normal instead of being hideously deformed. At least Myah understood the meaning of the word miracle and knew what her audience of prayer warriors hungered for.

Scary thing is Myah apparently did finally have a real baby. It’s apparently healthy, it’s biggest danger is having a dangerous attention seeking psycho for a mother. I hope ppl are keeping an eye on her b/c she will be a MBP mom if given the chance.

 

[Sparklepants]

I guess fake potato babies count too. Myah claimed holocephany (like Michael or the cyclops baby) as her fake ass babies diagnosis. It speaks to the martyr complex that a crazy, fundie, con woman, attention whore par excellence would chose that. Low and behold her fake baby had the “real” miracle narrative and her reborn doll arrived totally normal instead of being hideously deformed. At least Myah understood the meaning of the word miracle and knew what her audience of prayer warriors hungered for.

Scary thing is Myah apparently did finally have a real baby. It’s apparently healthy, it’s biggest danger is having a dangerous attention seeking psycho for a mother. I hope ppl are keeping an eye on her b/c she will be a MBP mom if given the chance.

Nah Myah was the original ZomBaby. You’re thinking of another crazy fundie. Myah had an affair with her youth pastor, got pregnant, God punished her with an anencephalic baby, she shits pictures of it all over the internet, SA notices, and much salt was had.

 

[Bani]

So I was doing some reading on Cyclopia and I discovered something so hilariously autistic I had to share.

Some geneticists believe that Cyclopia may be caused in part by mutated Sonic Hedgehog (SHH) gene.

Yes, a geneticist actually named a gene after Sonic the Hedgehog. Google it if you don't believe me.

It's not actually called that because of Sonic's weird single eyeball. There are a series of genes named after species of hedgehogs, and apparently the scientist's daughter suggested they name one after Sonic.

 

[Fareal]

I loosely know someone who decided to carry her Patau syndrome baby to term.

The family were all very supportive and praying for a miracle amd all that shit.

Kid still hasn't passed away. Family are amazingly far less supportive now that they aren't gonna get their mega virtue points for sitting with a dying baby for two weeks but are actually on 24/7 support shifts to be with the mom and the dying baby.

Never underestimate the amount of virtue signalling opportunities that these babies represent.

 

[AnOminous]

Yes, a geneticist actually named a gene after Sonic the Hedgehog. Google it if you don't believe me.

It's not actually called that because of Sonic's weird single eyeball. There are a series of genes named after species of hedgehogs, and apparently the scientist's daughter suggested they name one after Sonic.

That has caused some controversy and many doctors simply refuse to tell some mother of a monster zombaby potato that their kid is fucked up because of a mutation in the sonic hedgehog gene, just because some fucking lab autist who has his own genetic mutations decided to call it that.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Nah Myah was the original ZomBaby. You’re thinking of another crazy fundie. Myah had an affair with her youth pastor, got pregnant, God punished her with an anencephalic baby, she shits pictures of it all over the internet, SA notices, and much salt was had.

Ah, I was mixing her up with the faker one, I’m bad with names.

I posted in the original thread Zombaby SA and was the one who discovered Pastor Dan was the father. The link is probably dead now but he confessed to it on some born again forum. Dude was still chimping out and sending DMCA notices to various ppl mentioning his zombaby eight years later. I didn’t sign in to SA very often after 2007 but when I did there would always be a PM asking for assistance b/c Dan was back on the warpath to cover his tracks.

It still cracks me up we managed to take out a newspaper ad in his local Mocton paper to let them know that con man street preacher knocked up and abandoned a teenager - while he was married with a child. I hope Myah is doing ok and stays away from fundie shysters.