A post Net Neutrality America

Gym Leader Elesa said:
Still completely in the dark to be honest.
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Thanks to @MarvinTheParanoidAndroid for posting the article, but I'll try to summarize since Wikipedia can be autistically wordy. I recognize I have a layman's understanding of the situation, so someone can correct me if I say something retarded.

Net neutrality is legislation that forces ISPs to not give preferential treatment to delivering any certain type of data to its customers. An example of the sort of thing NN would allegedly fix is IPSs throttling competing streaming media services like Netflix to encourage their own digital media service.

The libertarian argument against NN is that the free market will correct the ISPs if they get out of line. NN just puts arbitrary restrictions on what companies in the private sector can do, and may even put the US government in a position to muck with the internet at large.

The arguments for NN range from the socialized ('Internet should be a government-provided utility anyway') to the cynical ('ISPs are too powerful and swat down competition, NN is necessary as a band-aid')
 
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JaneThough said:
Thinking that corporations would ever look out for you and “do the right thing” when there’s money to be made is pure :autism:
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this is exactly why it's gonna suck - too bad this is something worth causing actual rebel activity against, instead of whining on social media, which is what millenials would rather do, instead of properly fighting back.
 
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Shokew said:
this is exactly why it's gonna suck - too bad this is something worth causing actual rebel activity against, instead of whining on social media, which is what millenials would rather do, instead of properly fighting back.
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And come the 14th, they'll not be able to do that.

And I don't know if that's going to be a bad thing, or a secret blessing in disguise.
 
Yaoi Zowie said:
Thanks to @MarvinTheParanoidAndroid for posting the article, but I'll try to summarize since Wikipedia can be autistically wordy. I recognize I have a layman's understanding of the situation, so someone can correct me if I say something exceptional.

Net neutrality is legislation that forces ISPs to not give preferential treatment to delivering any certain type of data to its customers. An example of the sort of thing NN would allegedly fix is IPSs throttling competing streaming media services like Netflix to encourage their own digital media service.
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To get a bit pedantic, it's not actually the TYPE of data. ISPs have always prioritized certain types of data and this is actually necessary to ensure quality of service. For instance, if you used to have an ISP that could only deliver 2400 baud modem service, you obviously had to de-prioritize stuff like video or people who constantly downloaded at full capacity, so that your other customers got the stuff like text from Usenet or email that they wanted and were paying for.

Net neutrality is not about the type of data. There is always high bandwidth crap that has to be throttled to some degree just to keep the series of tubes working.

It's about it being neutral as to the source. ISPs should not get to be treated as common carriers and at the same time censor sources just because they're business competitors, any more than the phone company can't turn off your phone service because you said something in favor of Trump when you were talking to your mom and they were spying on you.

There are actually foundational documents about the Internet and how it works, that go back to the '60s, that are called RFCs (Requests for Comment). They're basically the Federalist Papers of the Internet. If you want to know why the Internet works the way it does and how it got this way, read some.
 
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tehpope said:
:optimistic:Honestly, I think everything will be fine. :optimistic: Its just a bump in the road. I've said this before in the news thread about this ruling, but it will be a while before the effects of the ruling kick in. Contracts have to be drawn up and decisions have to be made about what happens to current customers. Or its possible the ISPs have been planning this shit in the background for a while and already have the plans drawn up and will start ASAP. I think its gonna be mostly the former with a little bit of the latter.

I don't think there was a before. But you might want to look at the usenet days pre widespread access to it. Very similar to today, but with normies learning the rules or being scared off.
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Give Her The D said:
It'll be fine.

With Net Neutrality, big ISPs wouldn't be able to get a investment return on their $10 to $20 billion fiber upgrades and maintenance, so this is a good thing. I remember recently I tried to post this on a certain forum, and everyone sperged out and said it was just because "corporations are greedy", and not because ISPs (small and large) would lose money if they tried to upgrade their networks for higher traffic capacity. Either that, or they insisted about slow lanes, which will not happen, I can tell you that. TCP/IP is hard to manipulate that way on a wide scale.

That, and Net Neutrality's main supporter is a Marxist-leaning organization (Free Press). I cannot get behind that.
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Autopsy said:
Just glad it's over and :optimistic: that websites will knock it off with the "SAVE THE INTERNET" signalling.
The COICA threat is real and ever-present and I'm not sure why they thought expending all of their credibility on Net Neutrality (of all things!) was a good idea.
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Burgers in the ass said:
We will just use the yugonet, no big deal.
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Gym Leader Elesa said:
Can someone explain this whole situation to me because I'm a dumbass and don't know anything? What do all these words mean and what is or is not happening?
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MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
Except the Obama administration circa 2015 allowed ISPs to biasedly throttle connection speeds with the only stipulation being they have to announce they're a non-neutral provider.

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Jon-Kacho said:
Buying access to websites like a cable package is not a thing that has happened or is going to happen. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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Jewelsmakerguy said:
And come the 14th, they'll not be able to do that.

And I don't know if that's going to be a bad thing, or a secret blessing in disguise.
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CWCchange said:
Exactly, but what does access to technology have to do with ISPs slowing down shit from competitors?


It means the government has their dick further in internet affairs, and if it were to go full cuck, would shut us down before any company who only cares about the money.
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lol your parents obviously pay for your internet
 
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Give Her The D said:
Don't see how that has to do with NN being total bullshit for matters that are just pulled out of nowhere, but whatever.
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it'll make sense when people who have to pay extra for the extra internet access have to pay for extra internet access. and once people who don't care about such things because they are not involved in household finances eventually do have to deal with finances then it'll make sense
 
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CatParty said:
it'll make sense when people who have to pay extra for the extra internet access have to pay for extra internet access. and once people who don't care about such things because they are not involved in household finances eventually do have to deal with finances then it'll make sense
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I pay for both my internet and the internet of my family back home, but none of that implies that I understand the issue or what is involved. Figured it didn't hurt to ask about what I didn't know. I manage the finances of multiple households. I can't keep up with every shift in Congress. As I said, I'm dumb.
 
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Jon-Kacho said:
Buying access to websites like a cable package is not a thing that has happened or is going to happen. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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Actually, yes it has.

Null said:
I lived in the Philippines for 7 months. The Philippines does not have Net Neutrality.

Most people don't know this, but in the 3rd world Facebook is massive. Few people have PCs or Laptops, everyone has cellphones, and Facebook is the king of mobile. Every store, every service, every person has a Facebook page.

Facebook's largest competitor is Google, and the Filipino government is easily bribed. There is one ISP/Mobile Carrier in Manila, and that ISP has contracts with Facebook. For a mere 5 pesos a month (1 cent), you can get an online data plan with 100% free access to Facebook and only Facebook. Getting a full data plan costs a first-world amount of money few people can afford. Because of this, no one in the Philippines has any incentive to build their own website. No one can access it. No one would know how. They just use Facebook.

It goes beyond that. I paid $70 USD (3500PHP) for 50Mbps Internet (6MBps). If I accessed Gmail, Google, YouTube, Google Docs, etc, my Internet would slow to a crawl. It would take 45 seconds to open Google. Videos would stutter. Facebook? Instantly. Switch to my VPN and hide my connections's source/destination, Google loads instantly again. Faster to connect to Sweden and then to Swedish Google than it is to connect to Filipino Google from the Philippines.

This is specifically what Net Neutrality is designed to protect against. It is not fiction. It is not slippery slope. It already exists.
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