Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

Is OP a pedophile?

  • yes

    Votes: 967 74.3%
  • no

    Votes: 210 16.1%
  • it should be regulated, not outright banned

    Votes: 124 9.5%

  • Total voters
    1,301
The difference with Furry and lolicon is that one is drawn to be a consenting human adult with animal characteristics. The other is drawn to be a under aged child having sex. I'm just saying if there is any grey area it has to be furry. Cause anthropomorphized animals delves more into the realm of fantasy while a little girl getting fucked does not. the only way you can make lolicon okay is yo just draw normal of age porn of women and call it a day. Geez even Furries can understand the loophole in fantasy. Why can't loli fuckers get a fucking clue?

But I'll tell yah what it's a sad day knowing furries understand the concept of fantasy more than lolicon fans.
 
Sure, okay. We'll do this argument.

Here is a sexy furfag picture of a cat.

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It's stylized and obviously fake, what with it being an illustration, but it's still technically a representation of a cat. We know this because the creator calls the character "a cat" outright in totally canon material. The artist who drew this would also undoubtedly call this character "a cat."

Now here is also a picture of a cat.

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With these two pictures in mind: would it be safe to say that someone could possibly find the first picture more titillating than the second, despite both images undeniably featuring a cat? And if someone were to find the second image more arousing somehow, would it be fair to say that they too found that image enticing for reasons entirely divorced from the photo above it?

Would it be safe to say that despite both pictures featuring a cat, one fictitious and one real, they can be appreciated for reasons entirely divorced from one another?

One thing you have to understand with this "it doesn't matter if it's stylized, that drawing is a child" argument – other than it being fucking stupid because any stick figure scribbled on a napkin can be called 10 years old or 900 years old, and no one besides the illustrator can declare otherwise – is that even the definition of lolicon is incredibly varied. Unlike the definition of a pedophile, which is pretty set in stone.

Let's use more pictures so obnoxious fat women can call my reply Dumb or Autistic for using too many.

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Look, it's Misty from Pokemon, "a 10-year-old Pokémon trainer who journeys with [Ash] throughout the first five seasons." I sure hope you don't find her smooth thighs, prominent birthing hips, vagina-valley thing, enormous rotund breasts or "let me catch your Pokeballs" expression sexually-enticing. That would make you a pedophile because the character is undeniably, canonically a 10 year old.

That's your argument word for word. There's really no getting around it; by your logic, anyone who pops a boner at that picture of Misty (or any) is a pedophile because the character is ten years old.

And let's not pretend I'm cherrypicking here either. While you can certainly find drawings of "lolis" that are flat and more reminiscent of a kid (much like how you can find art stylized in any way) a vast majority look something like this.

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Prominent hips, smooth thighs, general lack of imperfections and a delicate, thin design. Symptoms similar to that Misty picture, I'd argue, but far more similar to...

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This 24 year-old celebrity.

So stop trying to feed me this fucking pig slop about drawings of little girls and actual little girls being even remotely similar. There's so many holes in that argument you may as well be trying to tell me the Earth is flat.
TBH that nicole drawing is shit
 
so guess what
1. Its childporn
2. pedophiles use it to groom kids
3. It doesn't matter because it's illegal in the US anyways under 18 U.S. Code § 1466A - Obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children

Unfortunate or not, this is a legal gray area. While in a few states it's debatably illegal, it doesn't generally constitute a crime in and of itself (though it might be used to build a case against an actual pedophile.) So yeah, you can jack it to loli porn in the good ol' US of A, but it's not smart to make it known that you do this for legal reasons (beyond the obvious social ones) because it's going to put you on a watchlist...even if you can't be arrested for lolicon itself.

tl;dr it's complicated

In 2002 the United States Supreme Court ruled in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition that the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 (CPPA) was facially invalid in prohibiting virtual or cartoon child pornography. The basis for the ruling was that the CPPA made unlawful some forms of protected First Amendment speech, banning depictions of sex between children even if not obscene and not involving real child victims. Under New York v. Ferber, if the depiction is of real child abuse or a real child victim, as a result of photographing a live performance, for instance, then it is not protected speech. Under Miller v. California, obscene speech is likewise excluded from First Amendment protection. The CPPA made all virtual child sex depictions illegal without regard to whether the speech was protected or not, so that part of the statute was struck down as facially invalid.

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Isn't. But you won't be able to explain this to someone who thinks it is. It's not even worth trying.

They will use every argument they have to prove you wrong. And if you disprove all these arguments, they will start screeching their feelings, like the poster above me, showing their true face-the true nature of their irrational hatred, "stop liking what I don't like, stop doing what I'm not doing".

Lol pedo
 
1. It's a victimless crime.
2. The Justice system is not supposed to be a therapist and should imo only be involved when there is a victim.
3. An argument can be made that it falls under freedom of expression.

But most importantly

4. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

So to answer the question. Yes it is bad since 99.9% of people who jerk off to this stuff are pedos and I don't think there is a lot of therapeutic value in doing so. This should however be an issue between them and their therapists rather than the Justice system.
 
this is one of those things where i can say yes, it's fiction. so it's technically not hurting anyone--

--yet i still think anyone who enjoys that shit is a massive untrustworthy faggot.

tards online can screetch all they want that it's J-JUST FICTION, but in the end morals and gut-feeling will ultimately win out. know what my gut feeling tells me? that lolicons are fags.
 
I feel like loli has many definitions and it's gotten so out of hand that literally anything can mean anything now. I've always had a firm belief that loli could also mean anyone who is short and flat chested, same with shota, a small boy but is of course legal. There are people like this who exist, and I've seen them, they're not as rare as you'd think.

Not trying to defend lolicon or shotacon, but instead, trying to say that sometimes there is a grey area and this is it.
 
this is one of those things where i can say yes, it's fiction. so it's technically not hurting anyone--

--yet i still think anyone who enjoys that shit is a massive untrustworthy faggot.

tards online can screetch all they want that it's J-JUST FICTION, but in the end morals and gut-feeling will ultimately win out. know what my gut feeling tells me? that lolicons are fags.

This is obviously a valid statement, but it could be extrapolated to other "dark" themes in media, you know, like (adult) rape, murder, torture, etc.

Which begs the question, are people who, for instance, enjoy slasher movies or games potential closeted psychopaths? Here is where the topic gets kind of confusing to me.

Where do you draw the line?

Anyway, I am one of those tards online who say "it's fiction", yeah, but it's because I can't really imagine how society can stop people from drawing things. It honestly reminds me of towelheads not wanting you to draw their kiddyfiddler of a prophet. Not to mention if you start trying to police media by censoring certain topics, at one point it'll start affecting legit good books/games/etc who happen to have child rape as part of the argument or the backstory of a character. I have seen it happen already.

Then again, you could limit the censoring to "pornographic depictions", I guess. I don't know.
 
I think there’s a difference on being a child sexual abuse victim drawing weird pedoshit and a honest to god pedophile. One is an abuse victim who is desperately trying to regain control of their life through unhealthy means and the other is a manchild who is so incel, he can’t manipulate women his own age, so he craves girls with the same emotional and intellectual capacity as himself.

That said, I don’t care if you’re a childhood sexual abuse victim, but you’re not helping yourself by drawing porn of your abuse, yikes. Get help.

As for pedophiles or lolicons, please kill yourselves.

Pedoshit is unacceptable, gross.
 
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