Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Disney could simply have their cake and eat if they just slow the movies down to more event films with one every 2-3 years and to stem the tide could have a star wars streaming series on their new service opening up, but I guess that would make more brand sense and we seem to be dealing with folks that don't know what they want to do with not even having a mere outline of the stories.
 
Something stupid just occurred to me. Why the hell is Luke using Anakin's lightsaber in the climax? We see him using his personal lightsaber in a flashback, so they found/remade the prop for it.
 
I think I'm in the minority in that while I think the ST does have issues, I'm not missing the prequels/Lucas yet. Unless Lucas has a team of people to de-Lucas his writing he writes like an autistic 15 year old fanfiction author. Anakin as written by Lucas is a whiny, obnoxious Gary-Stu like something Stephanie Meyer would shit out, and that's hardly the only problem in the PT. While it can make for a fun time when you're wasted and does have some legitimately good elements the PT was overall a hot garbage fire.

The ST's main issues seem to be different writers wanting to do different things and trying to rely on nostalgia a bit too hard. At least no one's whining about sand though.
 
It's hard to say if the Solo movie is going to do well, taking into account that it's bassically competing with marvel at the moment, for the dumb fun blockbuster movie and most people seem aware this movie is going to suck. On the other hand it's star wars so can fucking say?

The house of mouse is most likely getting quite twitchy , not in the least because its other big tent pole franchise is running out of time. The flawed nature of current industry practises means they need Star wars to pick up the slack once Marvel runs its coarse but that means cashing fan good will hoping enough small children latch on. The Mouse controls its public image very carefully and it's hard to discern what's going on behind the scenes I think their's a real problem with lack of unified vision and confused executive meddling.

Han Solo was a hard drinking ass kicking space mercenary who took no shit from anyone and did whatever the fuck he wanted. If Disney manages to fuck up that concept I'll be impressed.
 
Han Solo was a hard drinking ass kicking space mercenary who took no shit from anyone and did whatever the fuck he wanted. If Disney manages to fuck up that concept I'll be impressed.

I'm guessing they'll neutralize him, god knows Disney likes to listen to soccer moms and SJWs and they might find the idea of a young, healthy white man drinking and having fun to be "problematic". Expect him to be scolded often by Glover and Clarke.

Uuuugh, Clarke's in this...Expect a lot of Deadpanning coming from her. But oh well, I imagine the basic white girls who love "khaleesi" will flock to this movie, so Disney will probably have an audience.
 
I wonder if RLM is going to skip making a Plinkett review of Episode VIII to subvert expectations or maybe even do a completely different movie instead.
 
It's hard to say if the Solo movie is going to do well, taking into account that it's bassically competing with marvel at the moment, for the dumb fun blockbuster movie and most people seem aware this movie is going to suck. On the other hand it's star wars so can fucking say?

The house of mouse is most likely getting quite twitchy , not in the least because its other big tent pole franchise is running out of time. The flawed nature of current industry practises means they need Star wars to pick up the slack once Marvel runs its coarse but that means cashing fan good will hoping enough small children latch on. The Mouse controls its public image very carefully and it's hard to discern what's going on behind the scenes I think their's a real problem with lack of unified vision and confused executive meddling.
Disney owns X-men and Fantastic Four now. They have stories for years to mílk now.
 
So, I've been trying to think about how I would have handled this film. Here's what I got
Rey

I think one of the big things with Rey is her abandonment issues. So the way I envision it, she would keep pushing the idea that her parents must have been Jedi and abandoned her for a good reason, explaining why she is so proficient with the Force. When she's confronted with the truth, that her parents sold her for booze money and how she's only powerful because the Force is attempting to balance itself, it leaves her in a pretty low spot at the end. Her parents were nobodies and she meant nothing to them, so she feels like she's less than worthless. This ultimately gives her something to bounce back from in Episode 9.

Finn

I think instead of the whole Casino plot, Finn instead goes off to rescue a rebel held captive by the First Order who can help them on Snoke's ship. He goes with more than just Rose. During this whole plot, the reality of the situation is pressed upon him. You have stuff like people who remember the old Republic in a negative light, so the idea of a group trying to restore such a bloated and corrupt system are the bad guys to them. There's also how these people felt safe under the Empire, believing the information released by the Rebels/New Republic is propaganda. And there's the fact Finn was abducted and forced to fight as a Stormtrooper. He could be confronted with the face of a old friend, maybe even try to sway them to joining with him, before one of the rebels kill said friend like it was nothing (say Rose believed she was saving Finn). In the end, Finn is left conflicted about whether the Resistance are really as good as they think they are. First Order are still bastards stealing children, but the Rebels aren't innocent either.

Poe

This one is pretty easy. With his demotion, Holdo still doesn't tell him the plans. Instead she gives him orders and tasks to do in preparation, as benefiting of his demoted rank while talking with those who now outrank Poe. Poe fails to see the big picture, which leads to the mutiny. This resolves itself, and she also mentions she had suspicions of a FO spy so she kept her plans on a need to know basis. This gives Poe the push to become a more collected leader in the Future.

Humor

The appeal of the humor in the original trilogy was it wasn't just the jokes. It was more an extension of the character's personalities, with C3-PO being a coward or Han having to improvise. So, make the humor more character-centric, rather than everyone making quips.

Kylo Ren/Luke/Snoke

Luke tried to restore the Jedi Order following RotJ, making some adjustments based around how they fell. Stuff like not taking Force Sensitive children from their families. But due to his experiences on the Death Star II, he does ascribe to emotional control quite heavily. It was a major focus of his lessons in an attempt to preventing his students from falling to the Dark Side. However, this didn't always work out. Luke was very close to Ben Solo, which led to accusations by the other students that Luke played favorites. Ben refused to believe this.

The new Jedi tried to be of service to the New Republic. During a mission where they were sent meet with diplomats of a system that was considering joining the Republic, they were attacked. Ben was separated from the rest of the group and Luke sought him out. Unfortunately, this also meant Luke was unable to protect the rest of his students. A number of them died during the attack, including some close friends of Ben.

Ben was enraged at Luke saving his life over the rest of his friends, believing Luke didn't have the emotional control he always preached and did favor him due to their relation. In his rage, Ben destroyed the temple Luke used as his school and left with other disenfranchised students. Feeling himself unable to be the Master, Luke disbanded the school and went into hiding.

The negative emotions of the event had an affect on Ben, who tried to hide from his family. He was eventually found by Snoke, who told him to embarce his emotions turning Ben Solo into Kylo Ren.

The big reveal though is Snoke wasn't a Sith lord, he was a Jedi who went into hiding following Order 66. During this time, he observed the order established by Palpatine with a certain sense of admiration, since Jedi were supposed to uphold order. After the Emperor's death, Snoke engraciated himself with the remnants who would become the First Order, hoping to establish a new Empire founded on Jedi principles. Kylo Ren is supposed to be his enforcer, but his out of control emotions are actually meant to be his leash. This backfires when Kylo kills Snoke and decides to take over the First Order with Rey (believing it would be the Balanced thing to do) , like how Vader wanted to overthrow Palpatine with Luke.

The Force

I'm going to borrow from KOTOR here. The Dark Side and the Light Side are just two extremes, and when one has too much power the Force will act to try and balance it. This allowed small numbers of Sith to take out the Jedi Order, or for young untrained kids to have incredible Force potential to be champions of the Light. The fact that the Jedi and the Sith are the antithesis of each other in terms of teaching, yet both can use the Force without issue, suggests neither have a full grasp of what the Force is.

Rey takes the Jedi books from the island, but she also finds Sith books in the Dark Hole. Luke is the last of the Jedi and he does fall trying to bring Ben back to the Light, but the ending suggest Rey is going to develop her own philosophy of the Force based around understanding both the Dark and the Light. In essence, she's not going to balance the Force by being a powerful Light-Side user, instead her own approach will be balanced giving in to neither extreme.

I just really felt like the first two acts wanted to challenge the general narrative of the Original Trilogy, only for the last act to go "nah. Screw all that shit. Star Wars is what you thought it was, with mythical heroes fighting evil bad guys."
 
The only reason I can think of is to let people know it's not actually him
I think it was supposed to be an idealized version of Luke who appeared younger and never became a hermit or had his hand chopped off in the first place.
 
It's hard to say if the Solo movie is going to do well, taking into account that it's bassically competing with marvel at the moment, for the dumb fun blockbuster movie and most people seem aware this movie is going to suck. On the other hand it's star wars so can fucking say?

The house of mouse is most likely getting quite twitchy , not in the least because its other big tent pole franchise is running out of time. The flawed nature of current industry practises means they need Star wars to pick up the slack once Marvel runs its coarse but that means cashing fan good will hoping enough small children latch on. The Mouse controls its public image very carefully and it's hard to discern what's going on behind the scenes I think their's a real problem with lack of unified vision and confused executive meddling.
http://www.screengeek.net/2017/12/24/disney-expects-solo-a-star-wars-story-to-bomb/
Seems like they put themselves in a bad situation to begin with.
 
I just really felt like the first two acts wanted to challenge the general narrative of the Original Trilogy, only for the last act to go "nah. Screw all that shit. Star Wars is what you thought it was, with mythical heroes fighting evil bad guys."

No, the end is meant to say that everyone can be a hero and that the Force is not just in the Jedi or the Skywalkers or something like that. Hence the emphasis on Rey being a Mary Sue nobody who came from nowhere, the last lightsaber-wielding Skywalker being the big bad now (gotta break off with the past), and the ending scene with the slave kid pretending to have a lightsaber.
Basically the movie went "fuck the mythology, we Antifa now!" when it always should have been about Luke passing the torch to the next generation of Skywalkers, the lineage around which the whole saga was centered.
 
The force is basically magic, which is effectively in fiction the idea of knowledge as power. The force is a little different in that it's also a talent, something you're born with. You could suggest that everyone could use the force but doing so and ignoring the respective levels of 'talent' and how much dedication it requires to explore your talent. The change disrupts thematic constancy and diminishes the importance of ability or even people who are unique for other reasons.

 
Well in Star Wars, it is said that the force flows through everything in the Galaxy through either space magic, midiclorians, or being the life force itself, but very few possess the ability to channel their abilities in it. In theory I am fine about Rey being a nobody, but still this only just highlights how much more of a crap character she is. In context of the great narrative, Rey really hasn't had to suffer or undergo trials, aside from losing Han, learning she was a nobody, and caring about Kylo for reasons.
 
I don't really think ray is the problem their's a pretty clever contrast between herself and luke as protagonists and her toughness makes sense as a desert scavanger. The problem is script bad pacing decisions have to have her operate at a power level she shouldnt really have, she has to fight a battle hardened Dark side user to the death at the end of the first film with no formal training because it's 'dramatic' in contrast to luke whose at least a talented novice with a saber (and Vader is holding back) in his first duel. They keep putting her in situations where she's totally fucked but they can't actually kill her or have her rescued because shes the protagonist so ultimatly she has to somehow get out of the imperial throne room with two 'Sith' lords and a fucktoon of guards-something which would be tricky for a jedi master. The whole "luke won't train her" really discredited her since now their's litterally no reason she should be able to take kylo wren and she's in no emotional state to even try.
 
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How do you think the film is gonna do this weekend? Is there gonna be another major drop compared to last weekend?
 
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