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[hana2hana]

You tried to call me out and I answered.

Here's what happened. If your story differs from mine, I'd be happy to hear it. Many off-topic sentences were added, in both our posts, so perhaps we are focusing on different things. Here's what happened, in my opinion:

1. I wanted to test your beliefs and/or make money off your obvious incorrect conclusion.
2. I created a wager that would do both.
3. Rejection of the wager was followed up by my questioning as to why.
4. You proved that it was not money issues and asserted that it was due to lack of interest.
5. You stated that your real reason for following the story was research, and I claimed I would accept that as your answer, though I feel it is a cop-out.
6. Instead of ending the interaction, you donated to a random charity and are arguing the terms of the wager, which you had already rejected.
7. I am explaining the above with hope that your response will tell me whether you are dull or simply playing mental/verbal gymnastics with yourself.

 

[AmericFront]

Here's what happened. If your story differs from mine, I'd be happy to hear it. Many off-topic sentences were added, in both our posts, so perhaps we are focusing on different things. Here's what happened, in my opinion:

1. I wanted to test your beliefs and/or make money off your obvious incorrect conclusion.
2. I created a wager that would do both.
3. Rejection of the wager was followed up by my questioning as to why.
4. You proved that it was not money issues and asserted that it was due to lack of interest.
5. You stated that your real reason for following the story was research, and I claimed I would accept that as your answer, though I feel it is a cop-out.
6. Instead of ending the interaction, you donated to a random charity and are arguing the terms of the wager, which you had already rejected.
7. I am explaining the above with hope that your response will tell me whether you are dull or simply playing mental/verbal gymnastics with yourself.

And how about you explain why you're pussying out of my wager. Txt

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

Oh lovely. A thread in which Kiwi Farms devolves into everything we as a group purport to hate online. Well done everyone, Top Quality Thread.

 

[neger psykolog]

Here's what happened. If your story differs from mine, I'd be happy to hear it. Many off-topic sentences were added, in both our posts, so perhaps we are focusing on different things. Here's what happened, in my opinion:

1. I wanted to test your beliefs and/or make money off your obvious incorrect conclusion.
2. I created a wager that would do both.
3. Rejection of the wager was followed up by my questioning as to why.
4. You proved that it was not money issues and asserted that it was due to lack of interest.
5. You stated that your real reason for following the story was research, and I claimed I would accept that as your answer, though I feel it is a cop-out.
6. Instead of ending the interaction, you donated to a random charity and are arguing the terms of the wager, which you had already rejected.
7. I am explaining the above with hope that your response will tell me whether you are dull or simply playing mental/verbal gymnastics with yourself.

Well firstly if I was going to make a wager I'd use a platform and not do it via a forum, there'd have to be an agreement on the conditions and even then this isn't something I'd likely ever actually bet on because there simply isn't enough interest for it to be anything than a wager between two people (which I don't find interesting)

You wanted to test my beliefs, as I've already acknowledged because you feel that I'm not willing to put money behind this because if I am 100% convinced then I would make money out of it.

I can assure you I'm not dull because I just called your bluff and gave away $2000, I doubt you could do the same because you're probably a terrible trader.

Since you seem to be implying that I've taken some gain from the fact I chose to send the money to a charitable organization, would you be happy if I sent the remaining 0.05 BTC ($700 USD) to a known burn address? That's essentially burning money if it makes you feel any better about your psychoanalysis.

 

[AmericFront]

@SirJamesDTech come down from your twitter safe space

 

[xAnonAnonX]

I came here to be whiny and when that did not give enough drama. I made a magic bullet fake bet argument. So that I could parade around TKOH saying that even the biggest detractors do not fully believe the story.

FTFY

 

[AmericFront]

oh look, the snowflake king can't step out of his winter palace. https://twitter.com/SirJamesDTech/s...share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^0

 

[hana2hana]

Well firstly if I was going to make a wager I'd use a platform and not do it via a forum, there'd have to be an agreement on the conditions and even then this isn't something I'd likely ever actually bet on because there simply isn't enough interest for it to be anything than a wager between two people (which I don't find interesting)

You wanted to test my beliefs, as I've already acknowledged because you feel that I'm not willing to put money behind this because if I am 100% convinced then I would make money out of it.

I can assure you I'm not dull because I just called your bluff and gave away $2000, I doubt you could do the same because you're probably a terrible trader.

And thus completes my goals of registering here and joining this conversation: Both the posters most adamant that MW is telling the truth have psychological attachments to the result. In NPD, which is what DSP suffers from, confrontations elicit responses that allow the ego to be protected: stonewalling, as null has done, and mental gymnastics (i.e., rationalizing), as you have done. I was wondering what you two were thinking behind the surface level, especially considering how much of your comments supporting MW seemed like attempts to convince the self, rather than others - and now I have an answer.

For those who feel I've taken up too much space with the butthurt that followed my wager, I apologize. My goal wasn't to disrupt this thread, but once I saw the thread starters (who at the outset labelled all those with the opposing opinion "whiners," by the way) coming into this thread to shit all over the opinion that is supposedly that to be discussed here... I registered and called them out. Sorry for any negative feelings I brought you, but you must admit that the thread was destined to be shit.

As for my actual opinion on the topic, as my background is in psychology and my current job is building probabilities for abstract outcomes, I simply could find no decent pieces of evidence to believe MW's story, even though I would love it to be true. The way she acts is not how a woman who just wants to collect her debt acts, and her deepness in DSP lore and this community is extremely odd. The tipping point was when I saw her try to comfort DPS's brownie mod by telling him to "stick around," as if she were a long-term member of this community.

Whoever MW is, she's a detractor from before DSP used an escort, assuming he did at all. The fact that everyone here is falling for it hurts the forums and community, in my eyes. I dislike seeing DSP's traits in those who presumably dislike DSP for those very traits.

And @neger psykolog I hope you don't have any hard feelings. Although I really think you're playing with DSP-level self-delusion here, I don't harbor any ill will. I'd even be willing to have a conversation with you on Skype, if you'd be willing (no pressure, and no worries about the outcome; not a debate but a discussion).

 

[neger psykolog]

And thus completes my goals of registering here and joining this conversation: Both the posters most adamant that MW is telling the truth have psychological attachments to the result. In NPD, which is what DSP suffers from, confrontations elicit responses that allow the ego to be protected: stonewalling, as null has done, and mental gymnastics (i.e., rationalizing), as you have done. I was wondering what you two were thinking behind the surface level, especially considering how much of your comments supporting MW seemed like attempts to convince the self, rather than others - and now I have an answer.

For those who feel I've taken up too much space with the butthurt that followed my wager, I apologize. My goal wasn't to disrupt this thread, but once I saw the thread starters (who at the outset labelled all those with the opposing opinion "whiners," by the way) coming into this thread to shit all over the opinion that is supposedly that to be discussed here... I registered and called them out. Sorry for any negative feelings I brought you, but you must admit that the thread was destined to be shit.

As for my actual opinion on the topic, as my background is in psychology and my current job is building probabilities for abstract outcomes, I simply could find no decent pieces of evidence to believe MW's story, even though I would love it to be true. The way she acts is not how a woman who just wants to collect her debt acts, and her deepness in DSP lore and this community is extremely odd. The tipping point was when I saw her try to comfort DPS's brownie mod by telling him to "stick around," as if she were a long-term member of this community.

Whoever MW is, she's a detractor from before DSP used an escort, assuming he did at all. The fact that everyone here is falling for it hurts the forums and community, in my eyes. I dislike seeing DSP's traits in those who presumably dislike DSP for those very traits.

And @neger psykolog I hope you don't have any hard feelings. Although I really think you're playing with DSP-level self-delusion here, I don't harbor any ill will. I'd even be willing to have a conversation with you on Skype, if you'd be willing (no pressure, and no worries about the outcome; not a debate but a discussion).

What the fuck is with you plebs using Skype still?

Anyway, I felt it was something valid to do not only based upon you trying to call me out but also because I had called out BSV for not supporting DSP's patreon in his time of need.

And sure, everyone is a detractor. That's the simplest explanation to everything. Everyone from the government to private multinational companies and the gardeners mowing the lawn at timings that are inconvenient to me. They're all detractors.

Its only self delusion until I see a redhead girlfriend or tax returns. Neither of which are going to happen and you can call that $2000 how much I believe that.

 

[hana2hana]

What the fuck is with you plebs using Skype still?

Anyway, I felt it was something valid to do not only based upon you trying to call me out but also because I had called out BSV for not supporting DSP's patreon in his time of need.

And sure, everyone is a detractor. That's the simplest explanation to everything. Everyone from the government to private multinational companies and the gardeners mowing the lawn at timings that are inconvenient to me. They're all detractors.

Its only self delusion until I see a redhead girlfriend or tax returns. Neither of which are going to happen and you can call that $2000 how much I believe that.

I'm trying to be nice, so I'll say fair enough and leave the other issues at that. Can I ask you something though? Have you thought about how you will feel and react when MW says that Phil paid, with no evidence to say so, and disappears?

 

[neger psykolog]

I'm trying to be nice, so I'll say fair enough and leave the other issues at that. Can I ask you something though? Have you thought about how you will feel and react when MW says that Phil paid, with no evidence to say so, and disappears?

I know exactly how I'll react.
It'll be the reaction of a person who actually read the entire thread, did their own research and knew there were payment terms and deadlines involved since the beginning.

Anyway, I'd say we're still nowhere near the endgame, but that's my prediction if you want it.

And in the event it turns out to be a ruse cruise, I'll just say I'd be very impressed as its easily the most elaborate ruse cruise I've seen in a long time. And I'd take my hat off to whoever is behind it.

 

[Um Oh Ah Yeah]

Since I can't remember what page it was on (I had assumed someone would have addressed it by now), to whatever faggot complained that MW only gave vague answers: she actually explicitly talked about the 2 or 3 girls that might appear on the podcast multiple times, explained who they were and why they were important. Reading comprehension is a pretty important skill, cheers friend.

And dear @hana2hana: I'm a certified internet doctor, and I wanted to let you know that nobody here gives a shit about your psychology background, and mentioning it multiple times doesn't give you any more authority than you had before you mentioned it. I'm not giving you a cheers, friend because I find you intensely annoying.

Also @neger psykolog is almost unreasonably polite. I'm on to you, you're a robot.

Edit: I shouldn't post while mad. I come to the Farms to laugh!

 

[hana2hana]

I know exactly how I'll react.
It'll be the reaction of a person who actually read the entire thread, did their own research and knew there were payment terms and deadlines involved since the beginning.

In the likely event that doesn't happen, I'd say we're still nowhere near the endgame, but that's my prediction if you want it.

And when she says that the payment deadline has been extended so that she can stick around and continue to string us along with the many other things are in the works but conveniently cannot be revealed due to secretive content? How long would you like this go on before suspecting that you drew the incorrect conclusion and take action to remove MW from the forums? Like honestly - that's my main issue here: This one woman is leading on the entire forum, diverting us from the real discussion, which is still the delusional psychology of DSP.

Everyone is so hyped over an obvious troll that has locked down the forums until Jan 12. My fear is that the date will be continually moved back, and this forum - which I only found last week - will be stuck in escort saga limbo. I don't mind waiting till Jan 12, but I think the mods should at least have a contingency plan.

Can you comment on this?

 

[wilji1090]

I think it’s rather simple: Phil either pays and thus the story dies or he doesn’t pay and we get a pretty good kek out of it.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

And thus completes my goals of registering here and joining this conversation: Both the posters most adamant that MW is telling the truth have psychological attachments to the result. In NPD, which is what DSP suffers from, confrontations elicit responses that allow the ego to be protected: stonewalling, as null has done, and mental gymnastics (i.e., rationalizing), as you have done. I was wondering what you two were thinking behind the surface level, especially considering how much of your comments supporting MW seemed like attempts to convince the self, rather than others - and now I have an answer.

For those who feel I've taken up too much space with the butthurt that followed my wager, I apologize. My goal wasn't to disrupt this thread, but once I saw the thread starters (who at the outset labelled all those with the opposing opinion "whiners," by the way) coming into this thread to shit all over the opinion that is supposedly that to be discussed here... I registered and called them out. Sorry for any negative feelings I brought you, but you must admit that the thread was destined to be shit.

As for my actual opinion on the topic, as my background is in psychology and my current job is building probabilities for abstract outcomes, I simply could find no decent pieces of evidence to believe MW's story, even though I would love it to be true. The way she acts is not how a woman who just wants to collect her debt acts, and her deepness in DSP lore and this community is extremely odd. The tipping point was when I saw her try to comfort DPS's brownie mod by telling him to "stick around," as if she were a long-term member of this community.

Whoever MW is, she's a detractor from before DSP used an escort, assuming he did at all. The fact that everyone here is falling for it hurts the forums and community, in my eyes. I dislike seeing DSP's traits in those who presumably dislike DSP for those very traits.

And @neger psykolog I hope you don't have any hard feelings. Although I really think you're playing with DSP-level self-delusion here, I don't harbor any ill will. I'd even be willing to have a conversation with you on Skype, if you'd be willing (no pressure, and no worries about the outcome; not a debate but a discussion).

You just said an awful lot of stuff I could look up on Wikipedia to prove nothing. We as a community have a level of trust in our mods and if somebody gets verified it's not on a hunch. Are they perfect? No, can they be wrong? Yes, absolutely. Do you have any proof whatsoever beyond allegedly knowing how a woman acts that her claims are false that has more weight than the small but significant amount of proof provided to the contrary? You claim that this hurts "the forum and the community" but you joined on Sunday, where's your stake? What do you care how our community is 'hurt'? If anybody appears to have something to gain from this it's you gaining from discrediting @MysteryWoman somehow. Yeah she has a knowledge of our forum culture and DSP lore, just because she's an escort doesn't mean shes not an ex Phil fan/longtime lurker. Escorts sometimes have computers, I've heard you can hire them online and everything these days, it's pretty neat. You want to be right so much you were willing to lay actual money down to prove that and, when @neger psykolog called you out and then proved that he wasn't afraid to lose $2000 he'd just rather not hand it over to you, you acted like you'd won somehow. Your entire contribution to this discussion is a seven page shit pit of a thread which belongs somewhere like, ironically, Tumblr. You want to be taken seriously how about you start with why it matters so much that this chick is fake?

 

[neger psykolog]

Or better yet - when she says that the payment deadline has been extended so that she can stick around and continue to add that many other things are in the works in the process, but due to secretive content cannot yet be revealed? How long would you like this go on before suspecting that you drew the incorrect conclusion? Like honestly - that's my main issue with you: You keep saying


And when she says that the payment deadline has been extended so that she can stick around and continue to string us along with the many other things are in the works but conveniently cannot be revealed due to secretive content? How long would you like this go on before suspecting that you drew the incorrect conclusion and take action to remove MW from the forums? Like honestly - that's my main issue here: This one woman is leading on the entire forum, diverting us from the real discussion, which is still the delusional psychology of DSP.

Everyone is so hyped over an obvious troll that has locked down the forums until Jan 12. My fear is that the date will be continually moved back, and this forum - which I only found last week - will be stuck in escort saga limbo. I don't mind waiting till Jan 12, but I think the mods should at least have a contingency plan.

Can you comment on this?

A lot of people have been critical about the moderation, I can take it and it doesn't bother me because I already elaborated on it:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mystery-womans-story.37371/page-190#post-2907588
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mystery-womans-story.37371/page-190#post-2907612

Less than 10 threadbans on a 200 page thread is a low amount in my opinion.

There is also this thread where people can bring up the shit that has to get deleted in the other one because its redundant and doesn't carry the conversation forward.

The "real discussion" hasn't gone away. DSP is the one that started all the interest by mentioning his girlfriend (who a lot of people questioned the very existence of). I still see plenty of discussion revolving around his prestreams and other things besides this saga and this saga itself is fairly interesting to read into.

People can make their own limbo however they please, they went into a saga knowing full well there was a clear deadline and payment conditions that had been spoken about early on. Sure if there are changes dates it will be of interest to me to discuss, but in the end people can say they think she's lying or a detractor or whatever makes them happy (if you read through the thread there are plenty of people who still have their doubts and have expressed them in various ways).

You just said an awful lot of stuff I could look up on Wikipedia to prove nothing. We as a community have a level of trust in our mods and if somebody gets verified it's not on a hunch. Are they perfect? No, can they be wrong? Yes, absolutely. Do you have any proof whatsoever beyond allegedly knowing how a woman acts that her claims are false that has more weight than the small but significant amount of proof provided to the contrary? You claim that this hurts "the forum and the community" but you joined on Sunday, where's your stake? What do you care how our community is 'hurt'? If anybody appears to have something to gain from this it's you gaining from discrediting @MysteryWoman somehow. Yeah she has a knowledge of our forum culture and DSP lore, just because she's an escort doesn't mean shes not an ex Phil fan/longtime lurker. Escorts sometimes have computers, I've heard you can hire them online and everything these days, it's pretty neat. You want to be right so much you were willing to lay actual money down to prove that and, when @neger psykolog called you out and then proved that he wasn't afraid to lose $2000 he'd just rather not hand it over to you, you acted like you'd won somehow. Your entire contribution to this discussion is a seven page shit pit of a thread which belongs somewhere like, ironically, Tumblr. You want to be taken seriously how about you start with why it matters so much that this chick is fake?

Yes there's been a lot of discussion about "verification" and such.
The simple way I've been looking at it is "is this a topic that people find worthy of discussion?" and the answer to that has been yes, people seem fascinated by it (myself included).

The alternative is for no one to make contact with the source to establish that it isn't your ordinary everyday low quality bait posting and then just lock the thread and ban the source.

Plus this isn't the only place people can discuss this. They can talk about it on a bunch of other places if they don't think its worthy of a thread (which I think is their argument, otherwise I'm not quite sure I understand what their point is)

 

[xAnonAnonX]

. You want to be right so much you were willing to lay actual money down to prove that and

Have to stop you right there. It was a bluff, he does not even have a 1/100 of a BC in the first place.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

Have to stop you right there. It was a bluff, he does not even have a 1/100 of a BC in the first place.

Doesn't matter, He was still desperate enough to try and bluff with no cards in his hands, of B/C in his wallet as the case may be.

 

[Um Oh Ah Yeah]

I'm about to repeat myself, so apologies to anyone who reads multiple dsp threads: even if this story is never proven, or is outright disproven (and since it's apparently necessary to say this, I'm treating this like an interesting story I'm reading. I'm not actually all that invested in whether it's true or not) Phil may or may not have paid an escort but he still paid thousands of dollars for sex while telling everyone he's destitute. Flying a chick out multiple times, buying her things, and taking her to dinner are all egregious sins given how he acts on stream, even if he never actually paid a red cent to an escort. So if MW is lying, she's still describing a thing that happened.

 

[xAnonAnonX]

Doesn't matter, He was still desperate enough to try and bluff with no cards in his hands, of B/C in his wallet as the case may be.

True true, I was just poking think you make a very good point.