Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

[Cocktimus prime]

Sargon came out of this looking like a huge sperg doing that annoying ass sarcastic tone the whole time And repeating I don't want to do this but it has to be done. I really think the sceptics© being laughed at and him being made fun of has really started to get to him

 

[NSA]

Liberalism+

Liberautists

Indivectuals

It's so weird to listen to Sargon The Well Read describe liberalism as literally being everything that isn't extreme socialism. He thinks the GOP are liberals. He thinks libertarians are liberals. You see, the common use of the word 'Liberal' is simply not intellectual enough for him.

 

[Cocktimus prime]

You see, the common use of the word 'Liberal' is simply not intellectual enough for him.

Sargon's attachment to the language makes him come off like an idiot. I think it's important but he insists on everyone using his definitions and words that it becomes difficult to understand where he's going

 

[Guy_Incognito]

this shit was really gay for both of them. jim was trying to be an entrapment wizard while sargon attempted not to say anything entrap-able.

the kraut stuff at the end was borderline interesting if it weren't for that established dynamic of sargon trying not to say anything and jim trying to get sargon to say anything. much ado about nothing, and neither looks any good at the end of it all.

also i almost had to turn it off when louis was patting jim's back and wanted to meet him irl. that was also extremely gay.

You can kinda tell from the livestream between Jim and Sargon that Sargon know's Jim's weakness, and that is his fear of ever getting doxxed and losing his anonymity. It started to become obvious when Sargon and Louis pointed to the fact that Jim never attends conventions or wants to meet ecelebs & fans in person; and how Louis REALY wants to meet Jim in person and shake his hand.

The devil's in the details, but there were subtle threats being passed back and forth. Both Jim and Sargon fear each other. Jim has the ability to ruin Sargon's eceleb business (both directly and indirectly; either by not tacitly supporting him in the crumbling of the Skeptic brand, or by directly releasing a scathing video). Meanwhile Sargon could potentially doxx Jim through proxies (probably uncovered with Kraut's research, as we don't know the depth of what dirt Kraut has dug up and weaponized).

The Nuclear Option is on the table between these two...

 

[BSV]

The sargon vs Metokur debate is the most catastrophic cringe I have ever heard. Jim didn't want to be a sargon justice warrior I get that. But why did he have to try to trash him so damn hard. I can't unhear what I have heard. This was truly painful...

 

[Bryan Dunn]

The sargon vs Metokur debate is the most catastrophic cringe I have ever heard. Jim didn't want to be a sargon justice warrior I get that. But why did he have to try to trash him so damn hard. I can't unhear what I have heard. This was truly painful...

Because Jim debates with his gloves off. Always has in any stream setting hes done. Thats why.

Also sargon kind of asked for it imo

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Because Jim debates with his gloves off. Always has in any stream setting hes done. Thats why.

Also sargon kind of asked for it imo

Jim rightfully called out Sargon for lurking in chat as he sent his minion Louis out to do his bidding.

 

[BSV]

Because Jim debates with his gloves off. Always has in any stream setting hes done. Thats why.

Also sargon kind of asked for it imo

For sure but what was the point of contention? He is generally not that salty, It's really a situation I don't see any real victory for either party in this debate. Sargon was trying really hard on manipulation technique getting Jim to agree with him. With that this IRL activism was really important. That could be a bit annoying for sure. But sometimes jim's principles seem really counter productive. He is like a very skilled very intellectual guy. But he uses his talent on being the worlds best internet troll. Because "it's just the internet" While Sargon is pushing it too far with the IRL activism threatening his freedom as a unknown person in his real life?

I get that privacy is important, but I am from a country that protects it's citizens privacy. You have to be a police officer to get information that is more or less public information in USA. And it seems that workers are not protected at their work place. So you can effectively be fired for having a unpopular opinion. And that is why you fear being doxed so much. It sort of makes anonymity important. But it fucking sucks. It's a terrible system. Because you don't really have any free speech. Publicly you have to adhere to a very strict political correctness or risk losing privileges. Is this what this was about, or am I just way over thinking this?

 

[Bryan Dunn]

For sure but what was the point of contention? He is generally not that salty, It's really a situation I don't see any real victory for either party in this debate. Sargon was trying really hard on manipulation technique getting Jim to agree with him. With that this IRL activism was really important. That could be a bit annoying for sure. But sometimes jim's principles seem really counter productive. He is like a very skilled very intellectual guy. But he uses his talent on being the worlds best internet troll. Because "it's just the internet" While Sargon is pushing it too far with the IRL activism threatening his freedom as a unknown person in his real life?

I get that privacy is important, but I am from a country that protects it's citizens privacy. You have to be a police officer to get information that is more or less public information in USA. And it seems that workers are not protected at their work place. So you can effectively be fired for having a unpopular opinion. And that is why you fear being doxed so much. It sort of makes anonymity important. But it fucking sucks. It's a terrible system. Because you don't really have any free speech. Publicly you have to adhere to a very strict political correctness or risk losing privileges. Is this what this was about, or am I just way over thinking this?

American laws are very different from European laws. Free speech is not hate speech and the legal term for doxing is stealing someones information and using it maliciously.

The information the USA means is social security, credit cards, tax information, voter registration and special cases of someone taking someones location and using it to contact employers or extort/blackmail In order to restrict their opportunities or put emotional distress and sometimes physical harm onto them. That kind of stuff. It is understood that in the US though, doxing is a complicated topic but in Europe, its very strict and defined.

Someone like yourself or others in Europe can eat alot of shit if ever presented with a case where you may or may not have used someones personal information to cause them emotional, physical, or financial harm. Or you sold their information off without authority to do so etc.

This excludes public forums and so forth.

Political correctness has tarnished the west to the point where these types of things are happening, regardless of that. Sargon knew Jim's sensitive topic was doxing and staying anon, he was just playing the game in this and pulling a low blow if you will. Jim just took the bait

 

[HG 400]

Sargon is a pathetic idiot and should kill himself.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

The sargon vs Metokur debate is the most catastrophic cringe I have ever heard. Jim didn't want to be a sargon justice warrior I get that. But why did he have to try to trash him so damn hard. I can't unhear what I have heard. This was truly painful...

Get back in your box. Nobody but Phil gives a shit.

 

[Bryan Dunn]

Get back in your box. Nobody but Phil gives a shit.

Im gonna defend @BSV on this. Hes on topic and so far, not sperging the fuck out. Leave him be and hopefully it stays on point. If he starts to lose his shit then bust his balls

 

[LiquidKid]

You can kinda tell from the livestream between Jim and Sargon that Sargon know's Jim's weakness, and that is his fear of ever getting doxxed and losing his anonymity. It started to become obvious when Sargon and Louis pointed to the fact that Jim never attends conventions or wants to meet ecelebs & fans in person; and how Louis REALY wants to meet Jim in person and shake his hand.

The devil's in the details, but there were subtle threats being passed back and forth. Both Jim and Sargon fear each other. Jim has the ability to ruin Sargon's eceleb business (both directly and indirectly; either by not tacitly supporting him in the crumbling of the Skeptic brand, or by directly releasing a scathing video). Meanwhile Sargon could potentially doxx Jim through proxies (probably uncovered with Kraut's research, as we don't know the depth of what dirt Kraut has dug up and weaponized).

The Nuclear Option is on the table between these two...

I don’t think Jim really cares all that much about being doxed. I mean, he met his girlfriend through Gamer Gate and she moved in with him during that time too, that’s not something you do if you’re truly afraid about your info getting out there. I think he just sees it as mostly irrelevant to being up. He likes being anonymous and sees no reason why he needs to bring it up.
I didn’t really see fear out of either guy in this discussion, just a general disagreement between the both of them

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

"So Sargon, what's with the fucking fart huffing?"

"Do I need to read more Locke to get on your level?"

Fucking brutal, Jim. Hahaha.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

I don’t think Jim really cares all that much about being doxed.

I disagree. Jim clearly has a strong position on doxxing; as seen in his videos and in the recent stream where he goes hard on Sargon for his lax stance on it. Jim's ideal state is to have the ability to safely walk away from the scene as he did during Gamergate with Internet Aristocrat. If he gets doxxed (i.e. full doxxed with pics, addresses, phone numbers, place of work, etc.), he won't be able to walk away with his anonymity and thus loses his freedom of expression. He'd lose his edginess as it's now tied to his persona is tied to his real life.

Sargon on the other hand has no need for anonymity. His platform has been pretty mainstream and safe for his brand of centrism. He says nothing controversial or edgy (outside of what SJW believe) as he pleads for maintaining the societal status quo; nothing that would get a man fired from his job or ostracized from society. However, Sargon's weakness is that he can't walk away, unlike Jim. Youtube is his livelihood, his business, and he has to continue to market and sustain it. Jim poses a threat to that business model and has been openly critical of it going back to his exit speech back from the GG era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxqLr_09i4w

It's a battle between the Skeptic™ vs the Cynic.

 

[Arctic]

I don’t think Jim really cares all that much about being doxed. I mean, he met his girlfriend through Gamer Gate and she moved in with him during that time too, that’s not something you do if you’re truly afraid about your info getting out there. I think he just sees it as mostly irrelevant to being up. He likes being anonymous and sees no reason why he needs to bring it up.
I didn’t really see fear out of either guy in this discussion, just a general disagreement between the both of them

I disagree, first of all because his channel is his job now, and if he ever gets doxxed this means that he could expect much more serious backlash if he ever makes another video about diaperfurs or Tumblrettes. I mean look at what Samuel Collingwood Smith did to Null, these people take their e-drama very seriously. At the same time however he can't close his channel because that would rob him of his income.

Meanwhile Sargon could potentially doxx Jim through proxies (probably uncovered with Kraut's research, as we don't know the depth of what dirt Kraut has dug up and weaponized).

This wouldn't be as easy as you make it sound, Jim is a troll of the old school and has probably kept his real identity almost completely off the internet. There's even rumors going around that he has planted multiple fake dox of himself as a distraction (like the old "James O'Shaughnessy of Forest Lake, Minnesota" dox that used to be on Encyclopedia Dramatica).

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I think moreso a fear of personal doxxing really is his belief in old-school internet anonymity before the rise of social media showing off everyone's name and location. Jim's a believer in the 4chan anonymous system where content rules over ego. Jim has intentionally sabotaged his "fame" (so to speak) repeatedly to keep a small audience and be judged by content over reputation. Though you kind of have to let that go these days, and anyway him finally getting on Patreon for some well deserved shekels has increased (and improved) his output. Still Jim doesn't like the personal grandstanding and diva shit.

Though I have to say, Jim joked about talking to Lowtax lately during the "chat." Lowtax is one person Jim seems to go easy on despite having way way more faults than Sargon does. Anything you can say bad about Sargon, Lowtax is usually way worse other than pretension as Lowtax has never claimed to be smart. Yeah, I really hate Lowtax. Really really hate that guy, more than Sargon or Thunderf00t or any of these lame skeptic douchebags, because I hate the whole reddit admin style tinpot dictator shit than the fart huffing pretensions of these assholes. Sargon's biggest fault is thinking he's forwarding some grand ideas that nobody has heard of when it's just shit everyone learns in their school civics classes (or European equivalents). Philosophy has advanced since Locke, the mandatory high school reading guy, but you wouldn't know it listening to Sargon. I don't think Sargon is malicious and while he has an ego, his brand of ego isn't the kind where it's screwing other people over. He just overestimates his own importance and the importance of the vague ideas he's espousing.

 

[Chemical snorfare]

so in the last 4 pages of you autistics sperging about who said what, did anything actually funny happen?

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

so in the last 4 pages of you autistics sperging about who said what, did anything actually funny happen?

at one point sargon accidentally turned the webcam on and we saw Veeh in front of him getting up from kneeling in front of him wiping his mouth with his arm, not sure what that was about

 

[Doug_Hitzel]

For sure but what was the point of contention? He is generally not that salty, It's really a situation I don't see any real victory for either party in this debate. Sargon was trying really hard on manipulation technique getting Jim to agree with him. With that this IRL activism was really important. That could be a bit annoying for sure. But sometimes jim's principles seem really counter productive. He is like a very skilled very intellectual guy. But he uses his talent on being the worlds best internet troll. Because "it's just the internet" While Sargon is pushing it too far with the IRL activism threatening his freedom as a unknown person in his real life?

I get that privacy is important, but I am from a country that protects it's citizens privacy. You have to be a police officer to get information that is more or less public information in USA. And it seems that workers are not protected at their work place. So you can effectively be fired for having a unpopular opinion. And that is why you fear being doxed so much. It sort of makes anonymity important. But it fucking sucks. It's a terrible system. Because you don't really have any free speech. Publicly you have to adhere to a very strict political correctness or risk losing privileges. Is this what this was about, or am I just way over thinking this?

That’s because Europeans are itching to abuse personal data and don’t know how to behave like humans.
Personal data in the United States might be used to lose your job, but in Europe it will make you lose your life.