Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Somsnosa]

He tries way too much to keep making 2-3 videos per day when he can't even edit the 'click close in obs' part, makes you wonder how he's gonna keep it when there won't be miserable comics to review
Many bad series got dropped by the new manager and Marvel will clean itself at this point. When comics aren't so desperate anymore D&C shall become a knitting channel with Diana

 

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I actually groaned sat through his latest Spiderman "roast" and wanted to tear my hear out when he got to the middle and started emphasizing "these are the staples, Parker only shows up at this part."

I feel like I'm watching Linkara doped on Ritalin. He even nitpicks the comic for being too high quality at one point. This issue is by no means iconic or an instant classic but it's not terribad either. At no point has he shown the comic be overtly SJWish either. I think this is the point now where "SJW" and "cuck" are now just buzzwords used to rake in cheap clicks. I was honestly expecting something much jucier than this.

Good point, it feels like he's making videos just for the sake of videos.

I think comic roasts don't work well except when the whole issue is shit, not just small parts of it. The America roasts are an example of an excellent roast video, because every page has something funny to point out. The Mags Visaggio roasts are also excellent for that same reason.

In this particular case, Dan Slott is an actually competent writer who's going full-on asshole to spite his audience (same goes for Gail Simone, who has proven herself capable of far better than the current run of Batgirl), but the book will always be well-crafted from a purely technical POV.

 

[PrincessHomura]

Good point, it feels like he's making videos just for the sake of videos.

I think comic roasts don't work well except when the whole issue is shit, not just small parts of it. The America roasts are an example of an excellent roast video, because every page has something funny to point out. The Mags Visaggio roasts are also excellent for that same reason.

In this particular case, Dan Slott is an actually competent writer who's going full-on asshole to spite his audience (same goes for Gail Simone, who has proven herself capable of far better than the current run of Batgirl), but the book will always be well-crafted from a purely technical POV.

Gail Simone isn't doing Batgirl, hence why current Batgirl isn't just virtue signaling nonsense, but poorly composed as well.

 

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Gail Simone isn't doing Batgirl, hence why current Batgirl isn't just virtue signaling nonsense, but poorly composed as well.

I remember she was? Did she get changed recently?

Either that or I'm going senile..

 

[AnOminous]

Didn't they just turn Rorschach into a black man in their DC-Watchmen crossover? It's freaking bizarre, why Rorschach of all people?

though in hindsight, it can sorta fit his character, just not in the way "diversity" way people expect...

A black man is actually more likely to have had the kind of horrific upbringing Rorschach did.

Or even, for that matter, to be a seeming vagrant carrying a "THE END IS NIGH" sign.

 

[PrincessHomura]

I remember she was? Did she get changed recently?

Either that or I'm going senile..

She did during New 52 for a while, but Rebirth has all been this monster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Larson

 

[One Man Bland]

Didn't they just turn Rorschach into a black man in their DC-Watchmen crossover? It's freaking bizarre, why Rorschach of all people?

though in hindsight, it can sorta fit his character, just not in the way "diversity" way people expect...

Considering the original Rorschach is dead and it's been very heavily foreshadowed that the new Rorschach is that black kid who was in the midst of Ozymandias' giant squid being plopped on New York it feels less like diversity for the sake of diversity the way a lot of nu-Marvel characters are treated and more just playing around with the continuity.

Plus it helps that new Rorschach is just as crazy as his predecessor, albeit in different ways, and is treated as such by other characters.

 

[AnOminous]

Plus it helps that new Rorschach is just as crazy as his predecessor, albeit in different ways, and is treated as such by other characters.

It also isn't new that Watchmen have successors, e.g. the two Nite Owls and Silk Spectres.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Pass me it, please. I'm curious.

Reread my post, I qouted it.

 

[Stalovna]

The irony of all this is that comic books have been, for the better part of a century, at the forefront of expressing cutting edge progressive ideals. You have Captain America slugging Hitler mere months before Pearl Harbor, you have the X-Men comics using mutants as a parallel for racial inequality, Jack Kirby creating the first black superhero in 1966, the New Guardians clumsily trying to write commentary on AIDs and drug trafficking, ect.

In a way, Social Justice Warriors killed a time honored tradition in comic books with what they've done, & they have forever damaged the platform's ability to make any sort of commentary on real life problems going forward. They made Captain America a Nazi, just to make a point about Donald Trump. The last time Cap changed identities to make a point about a president, it was when he became Nomad in response to Watergate.

People often forget how important subtext is when writing a story. A good writer can create a story with a deeper message without being so damn hamfisted. Plus, most of the Marvel writers think everyone else is as dumb as they are and need the deeper message to be spelled out or the audience won’t get it.

 

[CatParty]

people are still whining about comics? lol grow up manbabbies

 

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Besides, it's an inherent problem with comic books themselves that nothing sticks for long. The problem is that all comics (Save for alternate universe ones) have a shared continuity, meaning not much can change without drastically changing the universe itself (Marvel used to embrace change, but that's long gone now as One More Day has shown.). It usually is the same formula repeated over and over, without any difference. The alternate universe comics can get away with changing alot, however.

I don't think this is a problem even though it's always discussed as one. Serialized stories are valued right now, but we've been rewriting and innovating on the same stories forever. It's not just written work but music and theatre as well. Shit like the Stratford Festival in Canada is huge, and it's the same goddamned Shakespeare plays reinterpreted every year.

It's like people complaining about 'another sequel' when the studio could have hypothetically made a unique movie instead. Why not just expect a good movie, period? I mean nobody begrudges Jimi Hendrix for covering All Along The Watchtower instead writing something new. He made it his own without making it unrecognizable. It might be easier to make an interesting story when you're playing with new or novel ideas, but novelty isn't required. A good storyteller can take the basic story and make it interesting.

 

[Plissken]

I don't think this is a problem even though it's always discussed as one. Serialized stories are valued right now, but we've been rewriting and innovating on the same stories forever. It's not just written work but music and theatre as well. Shit like the Stratford Festival in Canada is huge, and it's the same goddamned Shakespeare plays reinterpreted every year.

It's like people complaining about 'another sequel' when the studio could have hypothetically made a unique movie instead. Why not just expect a good movie, period? I mean nobody begrudges Jimi Hendrix for covering All Along The Watchtower instead writing something new. He made it his own without making it unrecognizable. It might be easier to make an interesting story when you're playing with new or novel ideas, but novelty isn't required. A good storyteller can take the basic story and make it interesting.

Well, that's the thing. It wouldn't be a problem if the writers actually had the balls to try something different; but they don't. Atleast, that's the case with marvel. They don't want to put any effort in a cohesive character arc, or really give a character a good personality. Hell, even Wolverine at one point had complex motivations and the sort of masterless samurai attitude; but that's long gone, now he's just a generic tough guy. (If you want an idea, look up the black and white wolverine big book, where he is under the guise of patch in Madripoor. He fights vampires. Yes, it's as awesome as it sounds. This is an example of what he was like a long time ago. Hell, he evens teams up with Mr Fix-it, one of hulk's personalities, who actually has a modicum of respect for Wolverine.)

 

[CrunkLord420]

I don't know much about comics but this stuff seems like it's popping off in a unique way. This Ethan Van Sciver is going hard and I can't think of a single other high-status individual publicly engaging with SJWs in the same way. It feels like it's getting to the point where there's going to be corporate meetings about this and hard decisions will need to be made. This is like James Damore or Tim Soret where he's going to have industry insiders after their backs in this new era of SJW McCarthyism. Does he get dropped? If you're a corporate suit how do you make this go away while still pandering to corporate diversity?

Ethan deleted his twitter, and seems to want to use his YouTube to communicate going forward. This video came out today and it gives me the impression like Ethan is going to go "the whole way" over this and not cuck out like we expect a good corporate employee to do.

 

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I don't know much about comics but this stuff seems like it's popping off in a unique way. This Ethan Van Sciver is going hard and I can't think of a single other high-status individual publicly engaging with SJWs in the same way. It feels like it's getting to the point where there's going to be corporate meetings about this and hard decisions will need to be made. This is like James Damore or Tim Soret where he's going to have industry insiders after their backs in this new era of SJW McCarthyism. Does he get dropped? If you're a corporate suit how do you make this go away while still pandering to corporate diversity?

Ethan deleted his twitter, and seems to want to use his YouTube to communicate going forward. This video came out today and it gives me the impression like Ethan is going to go "the whole way" over this and not cuck out like we expect a good corporate employee to do.

I don't think that DC throws him under the bus, he is one of their premium artists, and he has worked with the Chief Creative Office, Geoff Johns on quite a few projects now.

It also helps his case that his accusers still didn't show any actual evidence yet, which inclines any normal person to think that it doesn't exist.

 

[CrunkLord420]

I don't think that DC throws him under the bus, he is one of their premium artists, and he has worked with the Chief Creative Office, Geoff Johns on quite a few projects now.

It also helps his case that his accusers still didn't show any actual evidence yet, which inclines any normal person to think that it doesn't exist.

If you half-step with the SJWs over someone like Ethan I don't think they'd ever forgive it. DC would be burning any SJW cred they have and will have to deal with industry people and peripherals constantly making snide remarks about how toxic the comic industry is in this era of #MeToo. "DC hates women and makes the community unsafe" they'll cry.

It sounds small when you write it out, but this has easily bent many corporations into making tribute to diversity consultants and ridding themselves of "problematic" people.

 

[Plissken]

If you half-step with the SJWs over someone like Ethan I don't think they'd ever forgive it. DC would be burning any SJW cred they have and will have to deal with industry people and peripherals constantly making snide remarks about how toxic the comic industry is in this era of #MeToo. "DC hates women and makes the community unsafe" they'll cry.

It sounds small when you write it out, but this has easily bent many corporations into making tribute to diversity consultants and ridding themselves of "problematic" people.

True, but by the same token, they will suffer heavily for giving in to SJW bullshit. Have you seen how bad Marvel's comics are selling? The only reason the lights are still on there are the movies making tons of money (And of course, the movies keep the SJW dogma to a minimum.). Political Correctness just isn't selling anymore. Hell, with how shit TLJ did compared to TFA (Mind you, it still turned a profit, but it is widely considered to be the worst Star Wars movie ever made, with one common reason being the ham-fisted SJW messages. It made HALF of what TFA did in profits, AND it had the biggest friday to friday drop-off in ticket sales in THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE.).

So DC comics, Marvel, Google, and all of these other companies have to make a choice; they can sink or swim. The ones that adhere to their delusional dogma will sink, slow or fast, while the ones who get rid of the ACTUAL problematic people OR stop their bullshit will swim. Mind you, this change won't happen overnight, but it'll happen. Information is easily accessed, no matter how much google wants to censor search results. Hell, looks at the elections. Twitter (I know they aren't part of google) was getting rid of the Hillary Email leaks in the trending feed (Just removing them from the trending feed, mind you), but things like Spirit Cooking and the others all broke 100k tweets easily.

 

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If you half-step with the SJWs over someone like Ethan I don't think they'd ever forgive it. DC would be burning any SJW cred they have and will have to deal with industry people and peripherals constantly making snide remarks about how toxic the comic industry is in this era of #MeToo. "DC hates women and makes the community unsafe" they'll cry.

It sounds small when you write it out, but this has easily bent many corporations into making tribute to diversity consultants and ridding themselves of "problematic" people.

I agree with you, DC can't have people calling them out of being -ists. But they're not gonna let this guy go, not without some substantial and untainted evidence. Plus, full obedience to SJWism is what brought down Marvel to it's current state, so I don't think that DC would go that route having just seen what happened.

It's a tricky equation no doubt. But I still don't think that they will fire EVS. His threats of legal action to that pathetic freelancer are indication of either their support of him, or to his willingness to sue them as well if they wrongfully terminate him.

 

[PrincessHomura]

If you half-step with the SJWs over someone like Ethan I don't think they'd ever forgive it. DC would be burning any SJW cred they have and will have to deal with industry people and peripherals constantly making snide remarks about how toxic the comic industry is in this era of #MeToo. "DC hates women and makes the community unsafe" they'll cry.

It sounds small when you write it out, but this has easily bent many corporations into making tribute to diversity consultants and ridding themselves of "problematic" people.

I can tell you haven't been following comics lately, because DC already burned the bridges with SJWs with Rebirth, they were called literal nazis nonstop for over a year despite none of their comics having any particularly objectionable content, they just said "we tried it your way and it didn't work, so now we're going to make actual profits" (which did work), and this has caused screeching all across the lands.

 

[Pikapool]

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