DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[AkAuZtIk]

I don't disagree that Phil stretches the truth (to an extent that is impossible to prove without paperwork) however the difficulty in casting judgement doesn't come from wanting to stay neutral but rather the way in which the laws are written. There's been a lot of speculation about stuff like "he's an entertainer, so he should pay the entertainer tax" which is incorrect (disclaimer: not a tax specialist)

The audit situation probably isn't similar to situations in which someone has underpaid their taxes, where a figure would be easy to arrive at. In this situation a "business" which never existed has come to the attention of the taxman 4 years later, so there probably are not immediate figures available.

The tax codes are written with the intention of taxing revenue/sales generated from businesses that are reliant on Washington. So even if you're a company operating in another US state, you still have to pay the Washington sales tax for customers originating from there.

Depending on how you interpret what Phil does, his business is not reliant on Washington as a place of business because his "customers" are largely not from Washington. The only way to get more clarification is for the tax codes to be updated to include what is applicable to people that generate income from YouTube and Twitch, by which time both websites will probably be ancient relics of the internet.

If you think anyone has a clear answer about any of this then take a look at this thread:
https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/t/sales-tax-approach-for-large-fba-sellers/290040/12

If you're any of those people, even out of state, Washington's taxman can theoretically knock on your door after several years and say you owe money.

If you're a normal business or you actually sell physical products, then its very easy to get a clear picture of things. But this is not a physical goods business and the closest thing in the tax code (income via royalty payments) says that the taxes aren't applicable unless the royalties originate from being "Washington famous". Phil is not Washington famous therefore its extremely difficult to know what the fuck the taxman will make him pay.

(none of this changes Phil still choosing to live in a hugely oversized/overpriced property and his spending habits)

Okay I see your point, but just wanted to add a thing:

He has stated more than once that he made more than last year. So he's already calculated how much he made. The washington state taxes rely on the income generated in the state, meaning how much he earned while operating from washington.

You could argue him trying to turn in every little receipt to his tax attorney recently is him figuring out his federal taxes for last year, except the washington state taxes are not based on what you made, minus deductions. It's gross, not net.

It's the other way around, State wants the cut first, and you then take your write offs to the federal level. So he most definitely would have to have his state taxes already done for his federal to be calculated, and he just turned in "everything" on his "day off".

 

[neger psykolog]

I don't disagree that Phil stretches the truth (to an extent that is impossible to prove without paperwork) however the difficulty in casting judgement doesn't come from wanting to stay neutral but rather the way in which the laws are written. There's been a lot of speculation about stuff like "he's an entertainer, so he should pay the entertainer tax" which is incorrect (disclaimer: not a tax specialist)

The audit situation probably isn't similar to situations in which someone has underpaid their taxes, where a figure would be easy to arrive at. In this situation a "business" which never existed has come to the attention of the taxman 4 years later, so there probably are not immediate figures available.

The tax codes are written with the intention of taxing revenue/sales generated from businesses that are reliant on Washington. So even if you're a company operating in another US state, you still have to pay the Washington sales tax for customers originating from there.

Depending on how you interpret what Phil does, his business is not reliant on Washington as a place of business because his "customers" are largely not from Washington. The only way to get more clarification is for the tax codes to be updated to include what is applicable to people that generate income from YouTube and Twitch, by which time both websites will probably be ancient relics of the internet.

If you think anyone has a clear answer about any of this then take a look at this thread:
https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/t/sales-tax-approach-for-large-fba-sellers/290040/12

If you're any of those people, even out of state, Washington's taxman can theoretically knock on your door after several years and say you owe money.

If you're a normal business or you actually sell physical products, then its very easy to get a clear picture of things. But this is not a physical goods business and the closest thing in the tax code (income via royalty payments) says that the taxes aren't applicable unless the royalties originate from being "Washington famous". Phil is not Washington famous therefore its extremely difficult to know what the fuck the taxman will make him pay.

(none of this changes Phil still choosing to live in a hugely oversized/overpriced property and his spending habits)

Interestingly there is another streamer perhaps in the same situation as Phil is right now. Seems to be under the impression that Washington has no income tax...

 

[Raven'sChild]

Some may say it was a disaster yesterday, but I highly disagree...

-He wasted everyone's time with boring gameplay
-boring commentary
-Got nowhere in DDLC
-Ragequit 3/4 games
-Instulted his fans for voting games
-Stopped the game and went on a banning crusade

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This was not a disaster stream... this sounds like

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a typical DSP streaming day.

-Got triggered by an eleven year old and then ran away to threaten them where he couldn't get put in his place again by them*
FIXED

( *Sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4gfRI79aOs ( DPS OP from his channel )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koytXsr-_3E&t=0s ( in case the above gets deleted...for reasons... )

...* DSP ( Dyslexia, you win this round today >.> )
IB4 he gets perma-banned for threaten physical harm to underage kids during a stream where he calls a metric ton of his own Twitch stream viewers idiots at the drop of a hat as well as his earlier begging for financial support right after his suspension. *
*Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hh_5AvOUIA

 

[DudeAbides]

Compare that to one of the most popular streamers around. DrDisrespect.
(They have the same target audience age btw)


2010 setup

2017 setup

I think with Dr. Disrespect he clearly invested into his channel and growing a fanbase. He took what he'd do and invest back in. With Phil he saw those big early years with Machinma and thought , I'm doing this and making huge . It will never end and I'll be rolling in it for good. No need to change or invest back into the channel.

That is why I think Phil blasts Pewdiepie and others. He had that chance to be where they are at now earning millions. Instead he didn't wanna do what they did. Which was invest back into the product they did . There is anger at himself.

 

[Waveysauce]

What I'm curious about is if he'll get the true ending of DDLC if he decides to play it again (said he was considering it). From what I remember it's a little complicated to get the true end. So I'm wondering if he'll admit to reading a guide or having someone in chat tell him what to do. I mean he has to go into the game files and delete a file (amongst quite a few other things). If he magically knows how to do it, I wonder how many will believe him.

nah he is only about the $ and the tips/bits when he played that was close to none

 

[Raven'sChild]

Forgive me, but how? He doesn’t even crack 1k views a lot of the time. His autistic bavklog cannot possibly get him that much money.

Ooookay
I was late for my last post, but NOT this one!
My numbers for the earnings breakdown for Feb 2018 makes the quoted OP a tad conservative as ...
1,4 mill YouTube views ( and I give the $1,650 to them though my numbers are a touch higher ) + $3600 Twitch Cheer/Sub* + $1,400 Twitch Tip* + $850 Pay-me-tons= $7,500 for Feb.
*Source: EddyB43 Twitter post of March 1 Twitch chatlogs & income summary.

 

[rizlajizzla]

I enjoyed seeing Phil get told off by a young child, I really did. My cold bitter heart was light for a moment. But, in a few years, will that child have her own board here? I mean, where are we heading? What the shit, dood? Back in my day granny would slap you to Tuesday for saying 'damn' on the Intendo.

Although, if I had a child who knew Phil, and they sassed him face to face, that would be one of those times your face is saying, 'kid, you're in trouble' but your heart is full of pride.

But, I have cats, so what the fuck do I know?

 

[Raven'sChild]

0.0 I forgot to include T-spring, KOGaming and KOHvlog channel...+ Let's see 9k views+ 93k views ./. 1k=$204 + T-Spring.....

 

[PresidiumFish]

Interestingly there is another streamer perhaps in the same situation as Phil is right now. Seems to be under the impression that Washington has no income tax...

Google says there's no personal income tax. Dan and a couple other streamers did partner up to do business together under the name Nerdfusion, so I imagine he'd be contributing to pay business taxes.

Edit: He's also got around 4,000 subs (I think) so he's an ocean away from DSP in terms of success and income.

 

[Raven'sChild]

I enjoyed seeing Phil get told off by a young child, I really did. My cold bitter heart was light for a moment. But, in a few years, will that child have her own board here? I mean, where are we heading? What the shit, dood? Back in my day granny would slap you to Tuesday for saying 'damn' on the Intendo.

Although, if I had a child who knew Phil, and they sassed him face to face, that would be one of those times your face is saying, 'kid, you're in trouble' but your heart is full of pride.

But, I have cats, so what the fuck do I know?

In the 11 year old nine-tailed fox's defense, they did say " Excuse me Sir, can you please go in the waiting room?..... Can you please go in the waiting room?". I do not see the "sass" as the green port was labeled 'Waiting Room' as the blue ones were labeled 'Spectate'. Phil calls folks idiots and worse at the drop of a hat.
"You plant ice, you gonna harvest wind" ~Robert Hunter

Google says there's no personal income tax. Dan and a couple other streamers did partner up to do business together under the name Nerdfusion, so I imagine he'd be contributing to pay business taxes.

Edit: He's also got around 4,000 subs (I think) so he's an ocean away from DSP in terms of success and income.

I believe the person in question is speaking of State income tax. Connecticut, like some other States taxes you 'personal income'. Federal Tax and business taxes are in addition to this State income tax ( which I pay in the State I live in addition to sales tax to the State and Parish ).

I will at this point say that the State of Connecticut HAS a business tax...but Phil's CPA most likely thought he was employed by Machinima and was not a private business owner so did not need to pay a Business Tax seeing as Phil's paychecks came from one source then; Machinima >.>

 

[LordAutismo]

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Free content with the caveat that you pay him for the privilege.

Also isn't this a good point? wasn't that a big part of his reasoning for moving?

Phil thinks that people owe him. No one owes him shit.

 

[gobbogobb]

I will at this point say that the State of Connecticut HAS a business tax...but Phil's CPA most likely thought he was employed by Machinima and was not a private business owner so did not need to pay a Business Tax seeing as Phil's paychecks came from one source then; Machinima >.>

I highly doubt that unless machinima sent ou w2 forms every year. If they did he WAS an employee.

If not his accountant was either an idiot or an accessory to tax evasion.

There is probably grey area here too but for simplicity’s sake let’s go with those options.

 

[Raven'sChild]

...One wonders how sticky a wicket Phil would find himself behind if the Tax Collector in Connecticut found out about what has happened to Phil in Washington State... *cough* IF anything has happened at all... and this is 'unpaid taxes' issue isn't merely a ruse to milk his sows? >.>

okayokay don't evenknow how that happened.."Tard cum is sows?" Fruedian slip?

I highly doubt that unless machinima sent ou w2 forms every year. If they did he WAS an employee.

If not his accountant was either an idiot or an accessory to tax evasion.

There is probably grey area here too but for simplicity’s sake let’s go with those options.

If Phil just submitted his earnings and they all came form one place.... I am not an accountant nor now anything about the profession, but if this guy gives you a bunch so stuff from only one place....could not the CPA think he worked for them? Phil has a was of talking in circles and he said the guy was old.

Gosh darn it! Why can't I edit my posts!
from*
Know*
( I apologize for possible spam..let me edit typos >.> )

 

[Adamska]

You literally have a button right on the bottom left corner on your post:

You also have the trashcan right next to it to delete posts too.

 

[neger psykolog]

@Raven'sChild CAW CAW stop fucking triple and quadruple posting. 1 warning point because you somehow managed to do it twice on the same fucking page CAW CAW

 

[PieceofShet]

Okay guys, I have to bring up something I posted like two weeks ago, cause I still dont know where to put.

I clearly remember DSP bragged about doing youtube BEFORE he was able to monetize, and when people saw the money, they went to youtube... unlike he.

Now, in this clip, he says that only after he saw how the critic and nerd made bank... only then he started doing the whole youtube thing (jumped on the bandwagon). Did I misunderstand it? How is this fits into the dsp timeline? Anyone can help me out?

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[gobbogobb]

If Phil just submitted his earnings and they all came form one place.... I am not an accountant nor now anything about the profession, but if this guy gives you a bunch so stuff from only one place....could not the CPA think he worked for them? Phil has a was of talking in circles and he said the guy was old.

That would support the idiot hypothesis. He should have asked whether Phil was an employee at the least. He probably should have known he wasn’t if there were no withholdings in any of the checks.

 

[dsflfdsl23012]

I enjoyed seeing Phil get told off by a young child, I really did. My cold bitter heart was light for a moment. But, in a few years, will that child have her own board here? I mean, where are we heading? What the shit, dood? Back in my day granny would slap you to Tuesday for saying 'damn' on the Intendo.

Although, if I had a child who knew Phil, and they sassed him face to face, that would be one of those times your face is saying, 'kid, you're in trouble' but your heart is full of pride.

But, I have cats, so what the fuck do I know?

1. It's DSP so I don't give a fuck.
2. It's not like the kid was being obnoxious and REEEEing into the mic like a lot of the CoD kids do. DSP asked a question and the kid called him an idiot for not looking around since the answer was so obvious.

Personally I applaud the kid. How many times does DSP get shit on here for not noticing the obvious? Now literally, a real life 11 year old child told DSP to his face that he was an idiot and pointed out how obvious the solution was. He didn't cuss or scream or sperg, just called him an idiot and told him to be more observant. All it did too was make DSP look worse by flying off the rails at the kid. I've seen other streamers get punked out by other kids, way worse, and they usually laugh about it and go "WHOA! That kid's got a mouth on him haha! Where's his parents?!" DSP ran (like he always does) and then started talking shit about how he'd smack the kid around and stuff. Clearly his pride was hurt.

 

[Dr.Chill]

1. It's DSP so I don't give a fuck.
2. It's not like the kid was being obnoxious and REEEEing into the mic like a lot of the CoD kids do. DSP asked a question and the kid called him an idiot for not looking around since the answer was so obvious.

Personally I applaud the kid. How many times does DSP get shit on here for not noticing the obvious? Now literally, a real life 11 year old child told DSP to his face that he was an idiot and pointed out how obvious the solution was. He didn't cuss or scream or sperg, just called him an idiot and told him to be more observant. All it did too was make DSP look worse by flying off the rails at the kid. I've seen other streamers get punked out by other kids, way worse, and they usually laugh about it and go "WHOA! That kid's got a mouth on him haha! Where's his parents?!" DSP ran (like he always does) and then started talking shit about how he'd smack the kid around and stuff. Clearly his pride was hurt.

Not to mention he stayed in that lobby full of kids a bit longer than he did the other lobby.

 

[Wurstbrot]

Now, in this clip, he says that only after he saw how the critic and nerd made bank... only then he started doing the whole youtube thing (jumped on the bandwagon). Did I misunderstand it? How is this fits into the dsp timeline? Anyone can help me out?

Freudian Slip I would say. When someone always thinks about money: He mentions money. Fact remains that when Phil started there was no monetization option on Youtube. So it doesn't matter what he says.
Unless AVGN had monetization on his website... mmh.

I can't even use the rest of the video as a helping tool because he spits bullshit all over the place. Oh man, please bring back the times when people had no standard for entertainment on the internet so Phil can be famous again.