Science Science Reveals Why Troons In Restrooms Is Not A Good Idea - Not Even Titty Skittlez & Diuretics Can Stop Testosterone

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New Research Finds 75% of Trans Women Can't Suppress Testosterone, Even With Hormone Therapy
A full three out of four transwomen who undergo hormone therapy to “transition” into being female never reach normal female hormone levels, according to a new scientific study.

I know. It's almost like it was designed to be that way or something.

Here’s how it works, in a nutshell. Average adult males have testosterone levels ranging anywhere between 270-1,070 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL). Women’s testosterone levels, on the other hand, average about 15-70 ng/dL – obviously, a much lower level.

When a biological male decides he feels like a woman and chooses to medically force his physical body into accepting this delusion, he starts hormone therapy. To achieve this, he goes on a regimen of spironolactone and estradiol, drugs meant to lower his naturally high testosterone levels to the much lower female level.

But according to a new medical study of nearly 100 transgender “women,” only about one in four were able to reach a testosterone level low enough to match the average natural-born female’s."

The study found that even after undergoing hormone therapy for three and a half years, “Only one quarter of transgender women who received spironolactone for testosterone suppression achieved testosterone levels considered within the usual female range, according to results of a new single-center, cross-sectional study.”

The highest suppression quartile achieved a mean testosterone level of 27 ng/dL. The second highest quartile did not achieve testosterone levels in the female range, but remained below the male range almost all the time. The least suppressed quartile was unable to achieve any significant testosterone suppression.

Participants with normal BMI showed the steepest decline in testosterone over the 9 months (average time to reach steady state) but did not reach the female range overall.

Why?

Maybe because they aren’t women.

But of course, we aren’t allowed to ask whether playing God with people’s hormones like an overworked soccer mom trying to make a casserole out of whatever she’s got lying about in her pantry might have something to do with the fact that 45 percent of transgender patients who undergo hormone therapy attempt suicide.
It's also the fact that women only see a significant amount of testosterone in the bloodstream from the adrenal androgens, not very much from the ovaries.
Bad news for gender dysphorics, even worse for troons still trying to force themselves into the women's restroom.

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Common Sense Reveals Why Troons In Restrooms Is Not A Good Idea:

There is a reason why restrooms have been divided by sex since forever. It's important.
Yes, but since common sense is no longer valid to a large majority of people, science is provided as undeniable evidence. Stuff like chromosomes, testosterone, sex offender wrap sheet all have to be provided to today's SJW dullards because they don't have enough <common sense> to think abou it on their own.
 
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Yes, but since common sense is no longer valid to a large majority of people, science is provided as undeniable evidence. Stuff like chromosomes, testosterone, sex offender wrap sheet all have to be provided to today's SJW dullards because they don't have enough <common sense> to think abou it on their own.
Too bad science proving things still doesn't stop them, just remember the USSR and so on.
 
Yes, but since common sense is no longer valid to a large majority of people, science is provided as undeniable evidence. Stuff like chromosomes, testosterone, sex offender wrap sheet all have to be provided to today's SJW dullards because they don't have enough <common sense> to think abou it on their own.
They are still going to deny it though. Falsified reports, biased scientists, incorrect tests - you name it *sigh*
 
I didn't think we needed science to explain this to everyone, but apparently we do. And I still don't think anyone will listen.

Science is sexist and should be ignored at all costs.

Unless it's about climate change. Preach that shit to the ends of the earth.

It's like we're going back to the 1400's all over again.
 
As an aside, Goddamn the tone of that article is unbearably smug and patronizing. As a source, it doesn't really come across as particularly reliable or professional, and the fact that I can't really find anything about that study elsewhere makes me a little bit suspicious as to how they reached their conclusion, whether it was peer reviewed and how conclusive it really is... but not curious enough to make a medscape account...

Plus since it's not stated in the article, I'm curious about how large the difference is between the average female testosterone values and the average transitioning mtf's testosterone values. If the differences are negligible, it'd be a strange thing to make an article about, but given the tone of the article I'm not convinced that the author would be above that.

As far as HRT goes, I think it's important to remember that even a solution that's not 100% perfect is better than no solution when it comes to gender dysphoria.
 
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Yes, but since common sense is no longer valid to a large majority of people, science is provided as undeniable evidence. Stuff like chromosomes, testosterone, sex offender wrap sheet all have to be provided to today's SJW dullards because they don't have enough <common sense> to think abou it on their own.

If you bring up chromosomes they like to counterattack with the tiny percentage of the population that has genetic intersex conditions. As if you are going to bump into many of them anyway. The truth is the vast amount of trannies today are transtrending troons. And men who aren't even attempting medical transitioning are saying they want to use the women's bathroom because they identify as female. You've got big burly fuckers with full beards saying they are women and trying to invade our spaces. And everyone's too scared to say anything because they don't want to be labeled transphobic. They are literally putting the safety of women and children below that of autogynephile perverts and attention whores who think makeup and a wig makes them true and honest women.

If you told me 20 years ago that the future was going to be like this I'd laugh. I never would have believed it.
 
Common Sense Reveals Why Troons In Restrooms Is Not A Good Idea:

There is a reason why restrooms have been divided by sex since forever. It's important.
The history is interesting, and repeats itself the world over. First men make bathrooms for men. Then women have no where to pee without risking assault. It keeps women from participating in public life, keeps them in their homes as domestic servants. Then women agitate for their own private bathrooms. Women win eventually, then troons try to take over the women's room instead of fighting for their own troon room, like the lazy maladjusted fucks they are.
 
As an aside, Goddamn the tone of that article is unbearably smug and patronizing. As a source, it doesn't really come across as particularly reliable or professional, and the fact that I can't really find anything about that study elsewhere makes me a little bit suspicious as to how they reached their conclusion, whether it was peer reviewed and how conclusive it really is... but not curious enough to make a medscape account...

Plus since it's not stated in the article, I'm curious about how large the difference is between the average female testosterone values and the average transitioning mtf's testosterone values. If the differences are negligible, it'd be a strange thing to make an article about, but given the tone of the article I'm not convinced that the author would be above that.

As far as HRT goes, I think it's important to remember that even a solution that's not 100% perfect is better than no solution when it comes to gender dysphoria.
While the article posted above is biased and coming from a blog, the original article comes from a peer reviewed journal. Here's the press release:

Medicine alone does not completely suppress testosterone levels among transgender women, study finds
Date:
February 20, 2018
Source:
Boston University School of Medicine
Summary:
A new study finds that the majority of transgender women who follow the usual approach prescribed in the United States are unable to reliably lower their testosterone levels into the typical female physiologic range with medicine alone.
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Journal Reference:

  1. Jennifer J. Liang, Divya Jolly, Kelly J. Chan, Joshua D. Safer. Testosterone Levels Achieved by Medically Treated Transgender Women in a United States Endocrinology Clinic Cohort. Endocrine Practice, 2018; 24 (2): 135 DOI: 10.4158/EP-2017-0116
The study, which appears in the journal Endocrine Practice, is the first to investigate the efficacy of transgender treatment in terms of achieving targeted and subsequent stability of testosterone levels achieving over a prolonged period of several years.

Transgender individuals are those with gender identity different from external sexual anatomy at birth. Recent studies report that 0.6 percent of the adult population in the U.S. identify as transgender. A goal of transgender medical intervention is to align physical appearance with gender identity. The strategy for transgender women (male-to-female) includes medication and/or surgery to decrease or suppress testosterone levels into the female range. Most transgender women depend on medical treatment alone to lower their testosterone levels.

The researchers extracted testosterone and estradiol levels from the electronic medical records of 98 anonymized transgender women treated with oral spironolactone and oral estrogen therapy. Patients were separated into four similarly sized groups using the average estradiol dose they were administered over the course of their treatment. The Endocrine Society guidelines on monitoring transgender women suggests that patients should reach a serum testosterone <50ng/dl.

Only a quarter of transgender women taking a regimen of spironolactone and estrogens were able to lower testosterone levels within the usual female physiologic range. Another quarter could not achieve female levels but remained below the male range virtually all of the time, while one quarter was unable to achieve any significant suppression.

"This study allowed us to identify patients who achieved differing levels of testosterone suppression, including a group of patients unable to achieve any significant testosterone suppression. These patients may have had difficulty adhering to their treatment or may have had a different physiologic response to treatment than other patients. On the other hand, patients who were able to achieve high levels of suppression may have adhered stringently to their treatment or had robust response based on physiology," explained corresponding author Joshua D. Safer, MD, FACP, associate professor of medicine at Boston University School of Medicine.

"Also, it is not known if there is an absolute need for all transgender women to suppress the testosterone levels entirely into the female range. Perhaps it is acceptable for some to have levels just above the usual female upper limit."

The researchers believe future studies could pinpoint specific characteristics of patients who fall into each quartile of average steady state testosterone. "Identification of reasons why certain patients have better testosterone suppression could help improve anti-androgen therapy and allow for targeted interventions to advance the U.S. medical regimen for transgender women. As well, future study could determine the specific impact of testosterone at different levels even if not entirely in the female range," said Safer, also the Medical Director of the Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery at Boston Medical Center.

Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180220143424.htm

Basically, it's not known what that implies or if all trans women really need to be at cis woman hormone levels. However, knowing this information could allow researchers to look further in to the physiological differences between individuals which cause some to respond better to hormone therapy, in turn allowing for better hormone treatments in the future.

There is nothing about bathrooms in it at all.
 
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