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And they think they can successfully get rid of the Nazi furs.
They can't even get rid of a dude who practically has a big neon sign above him that says "RAPIST PEDO HERE" because he's a popufur.
Zaush / Adam Wan - Popular furry artist with a penchant for being rapey & an ego that could black out the sun
And they think they can successfully get rid of the Nazi furs.
They can't even get rid of a dude who practically has a big neon sign above him that says "RAPIST PEDO HERE" because he's a popufur.
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What I do know is that a lot of people still find cub art (the sexual stuff, at least) horrendous. A lot of people will feel disgruntled at just the idea of being around cub stuff, and most places seem to say not to post it. At least in various discord and so on. On the other hand, when I was looking through a list of furry telegram lists, I saw a disturbing amount of cub chats, one of them even labeled “extreme” in the tags, so I can only fear what goes on in there. I hope the main reason those exist is because it’s pretty much banned in every other chat, but one can only do just that: hope.The way the fandom currently operates is that cub art is generally kicked under the rug. Yeah, InkBunny is technically the only place where you can specifically get away with it scot-free, but as this thread demonstrates FurAffinity is absolutely willing to look the other way or intentionally not pay attention to these issues by handwaving matters away with boilerplate excuses. Likewise, there does not seem to be any actual rules one way or the other on SoFurry either, as you can straight up plop "cub" into the search bar and bring up all sorts of artwork and stories pertaining to it. Furry Network does not disallow cub art either, however when they were confronted about this their solution was to automatically add the tag "cub" to everyone's default content filter (which the person can then remove at their discretion). They didn't do anything about the art itself. (I am not sure what Weasyl's stance on the matter is as I never used their website, and don't even know if it's still around.)
In regards to convention stuff I believe many conventions try to ban that kind of content, but it gets through anyways under the "ask for forgiveness, not permission" train of thought. Cub artists know full well that if they ask con staff if they can bring their art they're going to be told no, so they do it without asking and when they get caught usually pull some BS "sorry I didn't know it won't happen again" routine.
What really ought to happen these days, and I feel like I'm going to sound crazy for thinking this, is that the fandom really should have it's own universal "sex predator" list. A repository of artists and people who either create or engage in subject matter that is considered morally questionable or offensive, like cub art. As long as it's managed in black and white terms there's no risk of bias, and this database could then be used by conventions and other fandom community efforts to immediately weed out creeps from even registering for the events because they'd be caught right away and denied. I realize this isn't a perfect system though.
As for the blacklist, I find a lot of those end up poorly in the end. As much help as they can be at some point, eventually it will fall into the wrong hands. Nobody is unbiased and it’s hard to say what something “objectively morally rehensible” is, as morals vary from culture to culture. I’m obviously going beyond the cub question there, and going into other things that are the topic of much hotter debate. I think there’s a general consensus that certain things are, but that could always be counter-argues with that it was generally seen as evil to be gay or born with some sort of disorder you couldn’t help. But then, where does that learning to accept things end? Big moral conundrums here that either side can use to support their arguement, so it’s hard to say how a list would be used and who would be in charge and how to keep them in check.
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You're right in that it seems that a significant part of the fandom is averse to cub art, that's correct. The issue is that these are just individuals with opinions with little to no influence on the fandom as a whole, so if they don't like something ultimately that's not going to change anything. The problem lies with the people within the fandom who actually have some clout and authority who unanimously seem to be content in doing absolutely nothing to put their foot down. The people who are capable, for better or worse, of instilling change in the fandom are either apathetic at best, or are also pedophiles at worst.
The main issue with a blacklist is impartiality, you're correct. It would need to be managed by someone (or some people) who look at just the facts and make a call based upon that, but this is only something that would operate theoretically. There's going to be bias. Someone running the database might notice a friend comes up on the chopping block and the moment they dismiss that the trust in the whole system is ruined. It's just an idealized thing of something that would be nice to have, but I know in the end it would not work out at all.
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Someone needs to explain that to Xydexx. Granted he’s opposing Zaush too, but his “s’all good, man” attitude to the fandom shows that when shit like this happens, he just doesn’t get it, and doesn’t get how this clearly shows the major flaws in running a insanely open and inclusive fandom.
What's worst is eventually those issues also get swept under the rug as time moves along. Most of the time since these behaviors are encouraged, it was allowed to grow into a problem they willingly ignore, they know they can be stricter to enforce rules, having mods with lesser bias and professionalism, but they want to be lax about their jobs, so shit doesn't get done, nothing gets solved.
At the most a few hands get smacked if anything, but there are even times where they'd fuck over someone who did something 8 years ago and outright ban them. While FA's got most of the traffic, it's mods share a lot of favoritism, which is disastrous for the fandom's image, not like that's already a dumpster fire, but honestly it could be better if they tried.
Especially by not letting a pedophile rape monger keep his position and stick their heads in the sand when shit starts blowing up. I'm honestly hope FA dies at some point, but it probably won't, a guy can dream tho.
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This cub team.. are the ones who were defending Cub porn and which some of them were suspiciously defending child relationships as well? (like Tora?) Including well known cubporner Fagoneer himself?
Thats pretty much furaffinity since its inception.
I laughed a f** lot at the uterus one XD
Because its so stupidly true.
You could draw blatant child porn and then claim "its animee, she's a 400 year old dick sucking demonic girl!!!"
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This video is ridiculous, Zaush publicly admitted that the accusations were real and admitted to using the child porn that he received as a reference for the underage characters that he lied about being "shortstacks", and this twat tells me the accusations are untrue? Pathetic.
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Oh god, not this blue sperg. He's gonna sit here and tell me that's it's totally fine that he (zuash) used some children as a reference to draw PORN. Sure they're not naked but it's still creepy as fuck and to have the gall to blame the parents. Really? How where they supposed to know some creepy furry pedo would get a hold of these pictures and use them as a reference for porn, hell if you've ever looked a a kohl's or kmart summer catalog book they have the girls posing in swimsuits, which I can say with out a doubt is the original purpose of the pictures.
Also found this gem
https://mobile.twitter.com/pantslaw/status/849074978704297984
Wew lad, life comes at yeah fast.
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Huh, when did Zaush admit all the accusations were real? He admitted the screenshots were real, nothing more. And those screenshots didn't include any child porn. So, yeah, the accusations regarding that are indeed groundless, unless there's more evidence beyond those screenshots.
The video conveniently leaves out the bit about the fuckability of 12 year olds, though, but those accusations are twisting the facts as well. There's definitely a world of difference between "any semblance of something fuckable" (as Zaush phrased it) and just plain "fuckable". Either way, Zaush definitely doesn't say he finds that age ideal, just "more comfortable" than the 10 year old that the customer was asking for. Not exactly a saving grace as far as that comment of his goes, but it's still something.
Considering that most of the accusations against him are false or at least misleading, it's perfectly justified to say the accusations against him are untrue - even if some of the accusations are in fact true.
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Joined wednesday.
Only so far posted in this thread.
Shall the skullfucking begin or do you wish to reconsider your statement?
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wtf are you smoking?
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What the fuck, everyone?
That dragon guy sure cherry picked the arguments, but his video specifically starts by saying Zaush "has mainly been accused of being a pedophile, and holding and sharing child pornography". That's what he's talking about, and those specific accusations can be said to be unfounded, even if several other accusations are in fact true.
There was no child porn in the screenshots, that's a verifiable fact.
Also, what he did doesn't prove he's a pedophile. To the contrary, the chat logs contain evidence AGAINST that specific claim, since Zaush explicitly said he's uncomfortable about drawing pre-teens and he tried to discourage the customer from buying porn of a 10 year old character, suggesting a 12 year old instead. There's no evidence he actually PREFERS 12 year olds either, it's just that he prefers drawing them over 10 year olds. That's a huge fucking difference.
Yeah, he draws cub porn. Yeah, it seems he would've drawn cub porn comic of a 10yo getting fucked in various positions if the customer had insisted he really wanted that. Yeah, he shared photos of real children to gauge the customer's porn preferences. He also admitted he's drawn pre-teen cub porn before. These are all things he did do, and I'm not going to defend any of that.
However, he's being accused of things he didn't do, and false accusations about child porn is super fucking uncool, no matter who's being accused of it.
What's so repulsive about fact checking and correcting falsehoods, or what did I do wrong now? Seriously guys, please fucking elaborate instead of being like that.
EDIT: I've been muted for a week, just informing you that I can't respond to anything now. Although that's clearly not the only problem we have with communication, since it's become glaringly obvious that none of you have actually read through the leaked screenshots as a whole. Have a nice week faggots, or the rest of the life in case this edit counts as a rule violation due to bypassing a mute.
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There's screenshots everywhere, we wouldn't be putting them of up people asked for citations, sources, and proof for all that matter.
By this point, there'd need to be something to just reveals all the junk about the furfandom to weed at the creeps for good, especially Zaush for how long the fandom has allowed junk like this to continue, it's a slippery slope with a lot of shit at the bottom and these thirsty fucks are riding it all the way down into the cesspit.
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with how the furry fandom is with forget and forgive i won’t be surprised that this blows over and some other guy comes out as a pedo and/or animal fucker with in the next few months.
like RC fox will probably be welcomed with open arms since it wasn’t flesh and blood children, just ~harmless~ photos, because he has a fursuit. growly was forgiven by a lot of the older fandom for whatever reason i’ll never know, i guess because he volunteers at cons and has a suit?