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Yes. Bunny art.
Not the copious amounts of oviposition going around during every easter. Totally the bunny art.
Furry Fandom and Drama General
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Not the copious amounts of oviposition going around during every easter. Totally the bunny art.
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You could also replace the left text with “literal pedophiles” and it would still work. Just look at the latest drama with fabrocastellmao it's true
Edit: fabrocastel drama [archive I hope]
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Hope you don't mind I went ahead and made another archive.
Fabrocastel drama archive.is link
Fabrocastel drama archive.is link
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Apperently Pounced.org (a furry dating website) has shut itself down over the new FOSTA act. Mundane Matt did a video on it below.
When entering the website you are met with a text wall about the new act and how it impacts their website. spoilered copypaste below
Sorry, i butterfingered the send reply button in an attempt to tab back to this window.
When entering the website you are met with a text wall about the new act and how it impacts their website. spoilered copypaste below
What happened to pounced.org?
Pounced is a furry personals site which operates a free service on behalf of the community. We are staffed by volunteers and cover our own costs as a benefit to the community. (We apologize we have been a little too hasty on taking action on FOSTA, the bill has yet to be signed by President Trump, but has passed both the House and Senate, and will soon likely be signed into law by the president. Our action was prompted by Craigslist response to FOSTA, which was to shut down their personals section.)
FOSTA attempts to make Internet sites such as pounced.org liable for the way users use the site in an effort to address sex trafficking and prostitution.
FOSTA increases our liability significantly and chips away at one of the primary reasons we as a small organization can provide services to the community - the protection that had previously been offered to us by Section 230 of the Communications Decency act:
"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider"
We didn't have to worry about what our users said using our platform, as we weren't liable for what they said.
FOSTA changes that in a way that makes sites operated by small organizations like pounced.org much riskier to operate. FOSTA essentially says that if we facilitate the prostitution of another person we're liable. If you read FOSTA carefully the bill says "or facilitate" - the problem is that "or facilitate" is ill-defined.
"(Sec. 3) The bill amends the federal criminal code to add a new section that imposes penalties-a fine, a prison term of up to 10 years, or both-on a person who, using a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, owns, manages, or operates an interactive computer service (or attempts or conspires to do so) to promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person."
We don't promote prostitution or sex trafficking. We're a personals site for the furry community, our goal was to allow members of our community to have a personals site dedicated solely to the community, and we've tried to serve our community well.
The problem is, with limited resources and a small volunteer staff, our risk for operating the site has now significantly increased. Now if someone posts an ad looking to exchange sex for something to pounced.org, and we don't catch it, is that facilitating prostitution? Is it enough to simply re-train our volunteer staff and update our terms of service?
Do we try to filter advertisements and forum posts? Do we ask our volunteer staff to take on the burden of reviewing all personal ads to insure we're in compliance - and what if they miss one? If we try to implement filtering will it be anything other than intrusive and ineffective, given the resources of a small organization like ours?
And we must now account for the fact that our liability to operate a service such as pounced.org has unequivocally increased, especially given that FOSTA explicitly makes this a criminal liability.
We now can be held accountable for the actions of others using our service. This bill is poor a trade off, it makes all service operators bear increased liability for the actions of their users or act as censors to their speech in exchange for targeting a few malicious services.
As an organization that operates a free service, is this trade off worth the reward of providing our services to the community?
We were able to offer pounced.org as a free service to the community because the liability to us was manageable and we could manage our cost effectively. We didn't frequently have to pay for lawyers, and we ate this cost when we did.
Would you be willing to try to accomplish the same if it meant you could be criminally liable for the actions of others who use a service you offered for free?
In many ways this bill targets small sites like ours directly, it favors organizations with the resources to invest in filtering technology, paid staff and legal support staff. It is less of an impediment for big organizations, while doing significant harm to small organizations like ours, which service niche communities like ours. Our larger competitors are not likely to find a large market in servicing the furry community, and so our community will suffer.
The Internet would never have become what it is today with bills like FOSTA in place and communities like ours would never have dedicated service providers like pounced.org.
What are our next steps?
We will be trying to locate appropriate legal advice to see what our options are. Finding a lawyer who is experienced with FOSTA isn't going to happen because the bill is so new, so it will probably take a few days to find a lawyer who is comfortable advising us.
Update 3/31/18
We're working to update our terms of service and modify the site as required. It appears that if President Trump does not sign FOSTA into law very soon then it may have to start it's legislative journey over again. This article is worth reading as it helps describe how we got here. When we started pounced.org long ago we paid for legal advice regarding administration of the site, which is where we originally learned about the communications decency act, and is what has made pounced.org possible for so long.
Why haven't other small sites shut down?
We didn't even realize FOSTA was in motion until it started to show up in the news, with it's passage this past Friday. It's unclear many small site operators realize how they are now criminally liable if someone tries to use their site for prostitution or sex trafficking. Or perhaps they are hoping they'll just get lucky and nothing will ever happen. The thing is we've been at this for a while now, we started pounced.org in 2003, and have had our fair share of challenges and still tried to provide a free personals service to our niche community, but FOSTA may change our risk/reward ratio too much.
Perhaps this is an over-reaction but when you take on additional liability for the actions of others an abundance of caution is warranted.
What can you do?
We wish we didn't have to ask you to fight for the Internet, but we do. Here is what we think you can do to help keep the Internet free.
Call or write you representatives and let them know that FOSTA is a poor trade off, it makes all sites bear increased liability to target a few malicious sites.
There is speculation that this is the beginning of erosions of legal protections for site operators - we all have to be watchful and engaged.
If pounced.org shutdowns permanently what will happen to my data?
We have always tried to operate with a community first perspective. We will find some way to make your data available to you for a period of time, after which all member data will be destroyed. We will not sell your data or re-purpose it outside the context of operating pounced.org.
Thank you for all the kind words and support!
It brings us much happiness to know that we were able to serve our community for so many years.
Pounced is a furry personals site which operates a free service on behalf of the community. We are staffed by volunteers and cover our own costs as a benefit to the community. (We apologize we have been a little too hasty on taking action on FOSTA, the bill has yet to be signed by President Trump, but has passed both the House and Senate, and will soon likely be signed into law by the president. Our action was prompted by Craigslist response to FOSTA, which was to shut down their personals section.)
FOSTA attempts to make Internet sites such as pounced.org liable for the way users use the site in an effort to address sex trafficking and prostitution.
FOSTA increases our liability significantly and chips away at one of the primary reasons we as a small organization can provide services to the community - the protection that had previously been offered to us by Section 230 of the Communications Decency act:
"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider"
We didn't have to worry about what our users said using our platform, as we weren't liable for what they said.
FOSTA changes that in a way that makes sites operated by small organizations like pounced.org much riskier to operate. FOSTA essentially says that if we facilitate the prostitution of another person we're liable. If you read FOSTA carefully the bill says "or facilitate" - the problem is that "or facilitate" is ill-defined.
"(Sec. 3) The bill amends the federal criminal code to add a new section that imposes penalties-a fine, a prison term of up to 10 years, or both-on a person who, using a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, owns, manages, or operates an interactive computer service (or attempts or conspires to do so) to promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person."
We don't promote prostitution or sex trafficking. We're a personals site for the furry community, our goal was to allow members of our community to have a personals site dedicated solely to the community, and we've tried to serve our community well.
The problem is, with limited resources and a small volunteer staff, our risk for operating the site has now significantly increased. Now if someone posts an ad looking to exchange sex for something to pounced.org, and we don't catch it, is that facilitating prostitution? Is it enough to simply re-train our volunteer staff and update our terms of service?
Do we try to filter advertisements and forum posts? Do we ask our volunteer staff to take on the burden of reviewing all personal ads to insure we're in compliance - and what if they miss one? If we try to implement filtering will it be anything other than intrusive and ineffective, given the resources of a small organization like ours?
And we must now account for the fact that our liability to operate a service such as pounced.org has unequivocally increased, especially given that FOSTA explicitly makes this a criminal liability.
We now can be held accountable for the actions of others using our service. This bill is poor a trade off, it makes all service operators bear increased liability for the actions of their users or act as censors to their speech in exchange for targeting a few malicious services.
As an organization that operates a free service, is this trade off worth the reward of providing our services to the community?
We were able to offer pounced.org as a free service to the community because the liability to us was manageable and we could manage our cost effectively. We didn't frequently have to pay for lawyers, and we ate this cost when we did.
Would you be willing to try to accomplish the same if it meant you could be criminally liable for the actions of others who use a service you offered for free?
In many ways this bill targets small sites like ours directly, it favors organizations with the resources to invest in filtering technology, paid staff and legal support staff. It is less of an impediment for big organizations, while doing significant harm to small organizations like ours, which service niche communities like ours. Our larger competitors are not likely to find a large market in servicing the furry community, and so our community will suffer.
The Internet would never have become what it is today with bills like FOSTA in place and communities like ours would never have dedicated service providers like pounced.org.
What are our next steps?
We will be trying to locate appropriate legal advice to see what our options are. Finding a lawyer who is experienced with FOSTA isn't going to happen because the bill is so new, so it will probably take a few days to find a lawyer who is comfortable advising us.
Update 3/31/18
We're working to update our terms of service and modify the site as required. It appears that if President Trump does not sign FOSTA into law very soon then it may have to start it's legislative journey over again. This article is worth reading as it helps describe how we got here. When we started pounced.org long ago we paid for legal advice regarding administration of the site, which is where we originally learned about the communications decency act, and is what has made pounced.org possible for so long.
Why haven't other small sites shut down?
We didn't even realize FOSTA was in motion until it started to show up in the news, with it's passage this past Friday. It's unclear many small site operators realize how they are now criminally liable if someone tries to use their site for prostitution or sex trafficking. Or perhaps they are hoping they'll just get lucky and nothing will ever happen. The thing is we've been at this for a while now, we started pounced.org in 2003, and have had our fair share of challenges and still tried to provide a free personals service to our niche community, but FOSTA may change our risk/reward ratio too much.
Perhaps this is an over-reaction but when you take on additional liability for the actions of others an abundance of caution is warranted.
What can you do?
We wish we didn't have to ask you to fight for the Internet, but we do. Here is what we think you can do to help keep the Internet free.
Call or write you representatives and let them know that FOSTA is a poor trade off, it makes all sites bear increased liability to target a few malicious sites.
- Call your representatives and let them know that you are against any bill or action that makes the Internet less free.
- Donate to the EFF and other organizations which are fighting to maintain a free and open Internet.
- Maintain awareness of what is going on politically.
There is speculation that this is the beginning of erosions of legal protections for site operators - we all have to be watchful and engaged.
If pounced.org shutdowns permanently what will happen to my data?
We have always tried to operate with a community first perspective. We will find some way to make your data available to you for a period of time, after which all member data will be destroyed. We will not sell your data or re-purpose it outside the context of operating pounced.org.
Thank you for all the kind words and support!
It brings us much happiness to know that we were able to serve our community for so many years.
Sorry, i butterfingered the send reply button in an attempt to tab back to this window.
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:powerlevel:: Jesus fuck is being a furry "producer" of anything a free ticket to twice the profit and an endless supply of Get out of Jail-cards.lmao it's true
First of all, no artist can be wrong. It's an unwritten rule that they have to take care of each other and make sure their prices are too high rather than too low. They're saints for wanting to draw for hard earned money, and as such we must protect them! Raped a girl? Mustard-gassed a hotel? B-but they draw!/Got a hot OC!
I witnessed a semi-big artist throw a 5-6 tweet tantrum because someone DARED to undercut them. Someone DARED to offer the same kind of product for cheaper. And people supported this 'outrage'.
I know the majority of furries are stuck in a teenage mindset because being able to draw never forced them to mature for a job, but I can't wait for actual business to be the default. I've dealt with some artists who had a custom (shitty template) website, actually contacting people and having a schedule. I'd gladly pay twice for that kind of service than some so-fat-gender-doesn't-matter artist who gets 'artblocks' despite sketching freebies daily.
They love to refer to industry artists and prices, but artists in said industry must be on suicide watch knowing they could draw furry dicks for 200% the profit. Grown. Ass. Men. Passing up the law because someone can draw sexy lines resembling a dog.
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Oh man, this. Years ago, I saw Thornwolf throw a fit for the same reason on Twitter, and her demand there was for price controls on furry art - prices all artists 'had' to agree to, to set minimums so she and others wouldn't be undercut.
In the same period she used to shame artists for 'undercharging' for their art and accusing them of low self esteem, as the reason for their low prices.
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furries are pissed because furry weekend atlanta has taken up a very severe "don't fuck everything up" stance regarding it's wave of guests. a lot of the code of conduct here targets furry behavior with laser precision.
https://twitter.com/catboiardee/status/981956507926482945
https://twitter.com/catboiardee/status/981956507926482945
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Is "athletic equipment" a euphemism for bondage gear?
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I saw that those were not meant for the furry con, but dragoncon, and weren’t meant to be sent out.
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I am still waiting for hotels to hire Blackwater or even Hell's Angels as security.
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There's been some fun shit going down at FWA this year. For starters, the con decided to go with instead of merely only conventional badges, RFID wristbands that can "check" your con status, possibly in an attempt to stop ghosting since the con organizers hate ghosters (a lot of older posts on this blog which came up in another thread mention FWA). You're not allowed to remove them whatsoever, and removing them might cause them to rip causing them to be "void". Due to this, it's been met with a negative reception.
https://archive.fo/MEWac
However, even worse was the extremely long wait line for those who pre registered, moving about as slow as Atlanta's gridlock traffic.
https://archive.fo/b71iP
tl;dr
https://archive.fo/fRstC
https://archive.fo/MEWac
However, even worse was the extremely long wait line for those who pre registered, moving about as slow as Atlanta's gridlock traffic.
https://archive.fo/b71iP
tl;dr
https://archive.fo/fRstC
Desu
kiwifarms.net
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...Are they seriously complaining about wristbands? I've never been to any type of con that didn't use wristbands.
I'm not exactly sure what it says about furries if they're complaining about wristbands and long line wait times, considering that's the standard shit you have to deal with at any convention that's not a furfag fuck fest...
I'm not exactly sure what it says about furries if they're complaining about wristbands and long line wait times, considering that's the standard shit you have to deal with at any convention that's not a furfag fuck fest...
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looks like the TSA is faster than FWA lines
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Didn't these guys ever wear those paper wrist bands you get at festivals or the fair and wear them for like a week? I remember trying to get a collection going on my arm one summer.
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Even if they're meant for DragonCon, I could see them sending them out to FWA people, because a lot of these behaviors fit the bog standard furry con to a T.
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A bit off topic, but what exactly do you do in a furry con?
Like sure you could dress up and meet other furries and maybe buy a few art here and there but what else is there?
Even Brony con has things like panels, authors, etc geared towards the show. At least you know what you're getting.
At furry cons, it just seems like a lot of people meet with their friends, get drunk, suit up and cause some trouble. Why not just do that at home?
Like sure you could dress up and meet other furries and maybe buy a few art here and there but what else is there?
Even Brony con has things like panels, authors, etc geared towards the show. At least you know what you're getting.
At furry cons, it just seems like a lot of people meet with their friends, get drunk, suit up and cause some trouble. Why not just do that at home?
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I assume they're made out of "canvas" or whatever so people can shower while wearing them. Since they aren't allowed to remove them all weekend. That's probably the real reason people are unhappy.
Goda
kiwifarms.net
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Furry cons tend to consist of event panels, drinking, drugs, sex, parties, dances/raves, and massive regrets three months later when the rapid STD test shows a positive result.
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They are just missing the sassy black TSA officer women with the metal detectors making jokes at them.