TGWTG "Nostalgia Critic" / Doug Walker, Rob Walker, Mike Michaud, Mike Ellis, Holly Christine Brown, et al - The Incompetent Predator-Protecting Upper Management of Channel Awesome, Doug Still Not That Funny

[Alec Benson Leary]

I think that's photoshop.

Silly me. Joke washed right over me like a wave.

 

[MechanicalHugbox]

I don’t feel like combing through 61 pages to find out whether or not this has already been brought up, but there have been rumors for years that Lindsay had to share a casting couch with Doug to get on the site.

I’m surprised that nothing like that has come out of this. If not about Doug himself, then with either Rob or Michaud.

Not to defend Doug, but my big takeaway is that he’s probably got potential to be a fairly decent guy, but he’s probably too passive compared to the abrasive scumbags known as Rob Walker and Mike Michaud.

The problem with lindsey is she was the big "girl" on the site and always had a problem inserting her politics into her (admittedly still pretty good by CA standards) videos. So a dozen or so internet rumours have persisted about her dispite her being probably just kinda boring irl

 

[Vorhtbame]

dispite her being probably just kinda boring irl

Allow me to introduce you to her.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

I'm curious about what Doug, Rob, and Mike are doing with all the money they make off of CA. We know what they're not doing with it (paying anyone, production values) and we know about the 3 million they blew on Demo Reel, but what about the rest?

How much do they have at this point anyway? They have the website revenue, the youtube money, all the money their contributors/slave labor produce, money from the indigogo scams, and probably other crap. Are they perhaps hoarding it away? That seems too smart for them.

What's the source on that $3 million figure?

 

[LetterlandMafia]

I could be wrong, but I kind of feel like if Lindsay had a way to jump aboard the #metoo movement, or play a victim, she would be doing all she could to get attention, pity bucks, etc... Whereas she has been one of the more quiet... (aside from the document obviously.)

I've just watched a video about the history of TGWTG and by the looks of things they have a history of tying people into unfair, restrictive contracts. Perhaps she has her hands tied by the one she has/had?

 

[UnKillFill]

I've just watched a video about the history of TGWTG and by the looks of things they have a history of tying people into unfair, restrictive contracts. Perhaps she has her hands tied by the one she has/had?

If she's under some sort of NDA, surely she's broken it by now by even saying anything...

Silly me. Joke washed right over me like a wave.

Don't feel bad, I Photoshop extensively, and even I was fooled for like a second. Can you imagine if he really was wearing that shirt next to her?

 

[Doctor Stan]

The whole rumor itself doesn't really make any sense to me. The logistics of the how the Nostalgia Chick contest was set-up, the relatively up-and-coming status of Channel Awesome, which had just been created that year (NC himself had only started a year prior), Doug being the most passive and socially awkward man on the face of the earth, the fact that if that was the case, ThatChickWiththeGoogles or Marzgurl likely would have been approached with a similar offer and also haven't said anything—just makes it seem incredibly unlikely that Doug had leverage, personality, or the wherewithal to Casting Couch anyone.

Can you honestly picture Doug trying to negotiate sex for favors with any modicum of success?

The other thing about the casting couch rumour with her is if it had happened Lindsey would have said something about it by this point, at the very least for sympathy. She'd probably claim rape or whatever to make Doug look worse and CA like an even more awful company.

 

[Cosmos]

I do hope that someone with more :autism: than myself is able to figure out who the Anonymous accusers are. Especially the one who tried to claim she had a mental state of 16.

This isn't really aimed at you, btw; I'm just using you as a springboard since you brought it up.

I've noticed that some people (especially the shittier parts of Jim/Mister Metokur's fanbase) are making fun of the girl who was sexually harassed because she said she was 18 but had the mental state of someone younger. I agree that she's incorrect for claiming that what happened to her was "child grooming," but it's clear that the producer she's talking about is super skeevy. Just because someone is "legal" (or barely legal, in her case) doesn't mean it's okay to badger them into taking their clothes off and talk about how much you want to fuck them, especially in a work environment.

What he did probably isn't illegal, but that doesn't mean it's okay and should be overlooked.

 

[Slap47]

50% through the document.

This site is literally run like the Soviet Union during the Stalin era. Arbitrary rule and untouchable crazy people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Kulik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria

On May 8, 1940, Kulik was named a Marshal of the Soviet Union, along with Semyon Timoshenko and Boris Shaposhnikov. He had a reputation as an incompetent officer, a "murderous buffoon", and a bully

When Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, Kulik took command of the 54th Army on the Leningrad front.[5] Here his incompetence caught up with him, and he presided over heavy Soviet defeats that resulted in the city of Leningrad being surrounded and the necessity that General Georgi Zhukov be rushed to the front in order to stabilize the defenses and take over Kulik's command.

He championed a bizarre personal command motto he dubbed "Jail or Medal"; those under his command were either showered with (usually unearned) awards and decorations if he favored them, or simply arrested and sent to the Gulag on trumped-up charges if he did not.

Kulik was dismissed from his posts in 1946 after NKVD telephone eavesdroppers overheard him grumbling that politicians were stealing the credit from the generals. Arrested in 1947, he remained in prison until 1950, when he was condemned to death and executed for treason.

At Beria's trial in 1953, it became known that he had committed numerous rapes during the years he was NKVD chief.[24] Simon Sebag-Montefiore, a biographer of Stalin, concluded the information "reveals a sexual predator who used his power to indulge himself in obsessive depravity."

 

[Hari Seldon]

I'm reading the Google Doc of the allegations ("Not So Awesome") but whoever uploaded it has tried their hardest to prevent copying/pasting material or saving it as a PDF. Does anyone have an archive of it?

Yeah, Google Docs is filled to the brim with JS dynamically loading content and preventing copying / printing it. Who the fuck knows why someone tried their best to limit access to the doc.
Because of the above reasons it was a bitch and a half to get a PDF version, but I've got it (in case someone in the near future tries to poofed it out of existence from Google Docs), hopefully without any missing pages or other fuckups.

 

[Armchair Psychologist]

Problem with Doug getting married is that he's basically nothing at this point, Michaud owns his characters. If Doug was to make a clean break from CA, with a new personality, new costume, and new name, there's still a chance that Michaud would sue him or some other bullshit (basically a trade dress lawsuit, there was actually a lawsuit that went all the way to the Supreme Court about two similar taco restaurant chains in Texas). So unless his wife is as loaded with money as she is with food, Doug's fucked as far as getting away from the trainwreck that is CA. On the outside chance he could cameo in a few RLM episodes, he's going to have start working a 9 to 5 job unless he can game the system for autismbux.

So can we assume the captain is going down with the ship?

but there have been rumors for years that Lindsay had to share a casting couch with Doug to get on the site.

Considering who we're talking about I find that highly unlikely. If that did happen, she would've been shouting it from the top of the world's tallest soapbox years ago. Do you really think an SJW would fail to mention that kind of thing when the revelation would grant her practically unlimited victim points? To her that'd be like finding a signed million dollar check and failing to cash it.

 

[UglyOldJafar]

I still can't believe he was dumb enough to sell the rights to the Nostalgia critic to begin with.
I mean seriously?
the only way how he can now get out of it was, if someone killed Michaud.

 

[DuckSucker]

I would think Lindsay would have spoken out sooner or flat out fought back against it because she seems like the type of person to just speak her mind or take her ball and leave, she seems like she has a "strong" personality and probably more balls than Doug Walker himself--at the same time, she's so "sexually liberated" and open and shit, I feel like she might have done it and not cared or thought much of it. Maybe thinking, "What, like 5 minutes of dry humping then he cums in his pants?"

But on the whole I lean toward the "doubt it happened or she would have done something about it, especially if it was happening to other women". At the absolute very least she would have made that claim in the document herself. She doesnt seem like the type to be ashamed or embarrassed into silence over that.

One other thing I remember, I posted his self-centered attention-whore video of him quitting his job, but another thing I remember reading that shows just how much of a cunt he kind of is, is that apparently he went to a Harry Potter book signing, like JK Rowling was there or something and people were lined up around the block and he made a video or a comment to whoever he was with at the time who later leaked it, but it was just him ripping on them for being stupid, for caring about "magical fairy bullshit, some stupid book" or something like that. I mean the dude has the same self awareness as DSP.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

This isn't really aimed at you, btw; I'm just using you as a springboard since you brought it up.

I've noticed that some people (especially the shittier parts of Jim/Mister Metokur's fanbase) are making fun of the girl who was sexually harassed because she said she was 18 but had the mental state of someone younger. I agree that she's incorrect for claiming that what happened to her was "child grooming," but it's clear that the producer she's talking about is super skeevy. Just because someone is "legal" (or barely legal, in her case) doesn't mean it's okay to badger them into taking their clothes off and talk about how much you want to fuck them, especially in a work environment.

What he did probably isn't illegal, but that doesn't mean it's okay and should be overlooked.

To paraphrase the Dude, it's not illegal to sleep with an emotionally vulnerable 18 year old. You're just an asshole.

 

[LordofCringe7206]

Hey guys, guess who spoke up about the CA controversy? TJ Kirk/The Amazing Atheist.

Also, it's worth pointing out that he thinks most of the document is "sour grapes". I want you all to remember that when TJ took off from CA, he listed several of the same grievances that this document talked about.

 

[Slap47]

Also, it's worth pointing out that he thinks most of the document is "sour grapes".

None of these people have earned enough respect for me take them at their word so I can see where he's coming from.

 

[UnKillFill]

I've noticed that some people (especially the shittier parts of Jim/Mister Metokur's fanbase) are making fun of the girl who was sexually harassed because she said she was 18 but had the mental state of someone younger.

I agree that she shouldn't be made fun of. (Unless it turns out she's lying) However, an "Anonymous" accusation is a bullshit accusation.

Spoiler: Kind of spergy...

If you aren't mentally able to accept the consequences of making such an accusation (such as: letting the accused give their side; and if possible, people fact checking and maybe even *disproving* the allegation) then you probably shouldn't be making it in the first place.

Ditto for one as facetious as "I was a child in mind, so they were child grooming me." That is a SERIOUS allegation, and one that deserves to be taken seriously... But that doesn't mean it's true just because one person, who won't even divulge their identity, or that of the person they're accusing, claims it happened.

Note: If the victim in question had been a minor at the time, it would be a lot more complicated. But the fact remains, by her own admission, she wasn't... So I really can't put her allegations on the same level as Lupa's, Marzgurl's, or even Lindsay's; all of whom have put their personal careers on the line to some extent to make their claims.

TL;DR : I don't consider the allegations of someone who won't divulge their identity (or even who they're accusing) to be equal with those who will.

If this person wants to name names (including their own) then they should. Otherwise, what are they really accomplishing?

 

[Hari Seldon]

None of these people have earned enough respect for me take them at their word so I can see where he's coming from.

Maybe, but I think the point is that TJ had somewhat similiar issues with CA's mismanagement couple of years ago:

(BTW, a bit fftopic:, but is anyone suprised by the fact fucker was close friends with Mike Ellis?)

 

[Slap47]

(BTW, a bit fftopic:, but is anyone suprised by the fact fucker was close friends with Mike Ellis?)

Ellis threw some roleplay his way and he obliged him

 

[LordofCringe7206]

None of these people have earned enough respect for me take them at their word so I can see where he's coming from.

What @Hari Seldon said. I understand being skeptical, but TJ himself said many of the same things when he left CA. It's funny to hear him say that it's mostly "sour grapes" when he once said the same exact things that they are saying now.

(BTW, a bit fftopic:, but is anyone suprised by the fact fucker was close friends with Mike Ellis?)

Not at all given his history. Only adds more to the theory that it's TJ who was the anonymous sexual harasser that was being talked about.