TGWTG "Nostalgia Critic" / Doug Walker, Rob Walker, Mike Michaud, Mike Ellis, Holly Christine Brown, et al - The Incompetent Predator-Protecting Upper Management of Channel Awesome, Doug Still Not That Funny

[psg]

By the way:

Budget was $10K in Canadian Dollars. Shut the fuck up.

No need for the hostility.

 

[TheScooper]

Nigga, I was talking about movies produced by Troma. Not just pickups. Troma will pick up anything though especially these days.



A better comparison might be the Polonia Brothers:

But I make you a bet that John Polonia (Mark died a couple years ago) had less money to work with than the Walkers and most likely treated the cast and crew a lot better.



The irony is that he's a bigger fuck up than Wiseau. The Room at least looks like a movie. That adds to the charm. Plus Wiseau accidentally made a great comedy. Doug and Rob tried to make several good comedies and fucking failed.

I met John Polonia once nice guy, I think the biggest budget for one of their more well known films was Feeders and the budget was a grand total of $500, now compare Feeders, to any of Doug's films and tell me which feels more like a movie and more entertaining.

EDIT: Jesus Christ my spelling.

 

[LordofCringe7206]

Tommy Wiseau is a better entertainer and comedy writer on accident than Doug is when he's trying his best.

If I was Doug Walker, hearing that revelation would be what finally drove me to go an hero.

 

[UglyOldJafar]

If I was Doug Walker, hearing that revelation would be what finally drove me to go an hero.

What I would like to know, is it possible that Doug has actually contributed to Tommy being wider known?
Hear me out on this one: As someone who is not an American, I can say that in Germany, no one knows really who Wisseau is. The Room has never aired on any major network or or specific channels and if it did once in a while, not in a manner as back when Adult Swim did it once for april fools
I know many people who have only heard of the movie, thanks to the exposure Doug agve it in hsi review. And I know he was not the first person to do it, but his "drama" when it was taken down etc. helped I think in its notority, which was later taken on by other reviewers too.
Doug, having been ore of a major reviewer back in these days, heped make Tommy Wisseau wider known. And I think that, in combination with other things kinda helped Tommy become known even more/helped his infamy from which he is now actually making a new career.

Or in short: Walker, at least in the online community, accidentally contributed in parts to the sort of infamy Wisseau has now. The Disaster Artist may have made Tommy now widely known for a movie audience, but Doug did it for the internet consumers.

 

[Henry Bemis]

What I would like to know, is it possible that Doug has actually contributed to Tommy being wider known?
Hear me out on this one: As someone who is not an American, I can say that in Germany, no one knows really who Wisseau is. The Room has never aired on any major network or or specific channels and if it did once in a while, not in a manner as back when Adult Swim did it once for april fools
I know many people who have only heard of the movie, thanks to the exposure Doug agve it in hsi review. And I know he was not the first person to do it, but his "drama" when it was taken down etc. helped I think in its notority, which was later taken on by other reviewers too.
Doug, having been ore of a major reviewer back in these days, heped make Tommy Wisseau wider known. And I think that, in combination with other things kinda helped Tommy become known even more/helped his infamy from which he is now actually making a new career.

Or in short: Walker, at least in the online community, accidentally contributed in parts to the sort of infamy Wisseau has now. The Disaster Artist may have made Tommy now widely known for a movie audience, but Doug did it for the internet consumers.

This is not in the least bit controversial. Nostalgia Critic (and Lupa, who was there first, technically) caught The Room just as it was graduating beyond "L.A. curiosity" and breaking into the mainstream.

 

[Armchair Psychologist]

Not all of them are deleted, apparently most of them are moved to Archived Shows section. And if you know particular producer's username na CA website, their vids are still accessible on their author's website (e.g. MikeJ, FilmBrain).
Fun fact though, for others, like Nash and Linkara, even his author page is nonexistent. Guess only a selected couple are worthy getting nuked, with others just thrown in a bin and forgotten.

That sounds about right for filmbrain tbh.

It's really hilarious of how Doug had a beef with Tommy Wiseau back in the day, cause he's the closest thing to Wiseau in terms of managing and movie directing.

Do you think after all the dust has settled we'll have a chance at getting a Seth Rogen flick outa this?

 

[Mr. Awesome Man]

https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/achannelthatsawesome/realtime

Man, look at that sub count drop.

It's like The Fine Bros. fiasco all over again.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Nah, they had more money than you think. I want to say in the $20K range for the anniversary videos (aside from the last one that was a series of short films). And I want to say that was after the cost of airfare. I'd ballpark the budget to be somewhere around $10-20K.

And before someone chimes in "20 thousand dollars is nothing. You can't make anything good with that!" I answer with:

The immortal classic Pink Flamingos had a budget of $10K back in 72:

And etcetera and etcetera.

I answer with El Mariachi (1992), Robert Rodriguez's first film, which was made on a $7,000 budget. Made $2 million in the box office and was inducted into the Library of Congress in 2011.

Tarnation was made on an initial budget of $218.32, while Amateur Porn Star Killer was made on a $45 budget.
Basically, the Walker Brothers had enough money to make a good film, only to fuck up.

 

[Kyria the Great]

https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/achannelthatsawesome/realtime

Man, look at that sub count drop.

It's like The Fine Bros. fiasco all over again.

Though in this case they don't have the strength of the material under their banner as all the Channel Awesome vassals have all by fled leaving them with only Doug and Brad. We very well be able to see the death of Channel awesome with the smartest course of action to restructure the company around Doug's content but I doubt that Mike would have that much foresight since he is an inept dumbass.

 

[Prussian Blue]

What I would like to know, is it possible that Doug has actually contributed to Tommy being wider known?

Here The Room was already a cult favorite before NC's review, not on the level of Troll 2/Manos/Plan 9 though but it was still in rotation at my local bad movie night cinema.

My kraut cousin only heard about it through NC (and stuff like Caligula through Brad) so you're probably right. He wasn't the first to review it (sure there's a skit in it about that) but he was the first with a sizable fanbase to do so.

 

[Magic Sun Daddy]

This is not in the least bit controversial. Nostalgia Critic (and Lupa, who was there first, technically) caught The Room just as it was graduating beyond "L.A. curiosity" and breaking into the mainstream.

Exactly, although I'd argue that they were a small cog in a larger machine in regards to film gaining notoriety. It was destined to be noticed by the mainstream and they just made it happen a bit sooner.

I answer with El Mariachi (1992), Robert Rodriguez's first film, which was made on a $7,000 budget. Made $2 million in the box office and was inducted into the Library of Congress in 2011.

Tarnation was made on an initial budget of $218.32, while Amateur Porn Star Killer was made on a $45 budget.
Basically, the Walker Brothers had enough money to make a good film, only to fuck up.

Is it really fair to compare Robert Rodriguez to the Walker Brothers? Despite having a less than perfect track record, Rodriguez is able to turn out solid films, mainly because he knows what he's doing.

 

[UglyOldJafar]

Basically, the Walker Brothers had enough money to make a good film, only to fuck up.

Even all the money in the world won't save you, if you are a) not a good actor and b) your idea for a story is literally "lets walk around like a bunch of childrne, be loud and reference shit over and over".
Even ignoring all the drama with channelawesome, I always looked at the anniversary movies in retrospect as followed:

Kickassia: I actually liked it when it happened, but that was more because I was under the illusion the guys care for each other and it was still awesome to see people I like come together to make some sort of bigger project. Then you wait for a few months, look at it again when the hype has died down and you realize, it did a pretty awful job at portraying anyone as anything else than a prob for Doug.

Suburban Knights: Terrible. Just terrible. Not even going to try and defend anything. Kickassia was compared to that garbage a master piece.

To boldly Flee: Technically speaking better than Suburban Knights. But also a 3 hour wank fest with reference over reference. I mena, the movie is just a gobbled up version of Ghostbusters, Flight of the Navigator and Star Wars/Trek, with shitton of stupid other gag references.

And then just add all the behind the scenes drama and there you have it folks: garbage.

Doug, as Lupa herself says, doesn't have an original bone in his body. And that is where a lot of his failures steam from in my opinion: Doug does not know how to tell a compelling and funny story on his own, without relying to heavy on the ideas of others.

 

[Henry Bemis]

Exactly, although I'd argue that they were a small cog in a larger machine in regards to film gaining notoriety. It was destined to be noticed by the mainstream and they just made it happen a bit sooner.

Given the ensuing video takedowns, they were also (unfortunately) the first people to bring into question just how much Wiseau is willing to play the "black comedy" angle.

 

[LordofCringe7206]

What I would like to know, is it possible that Doug has actually contributed to Tommy being wider known?
Hear me out on this one: As someone who is not an American, I can say that in Germany, no one knows really who Wisseau is. The Room has never aired on any major network or or specific channels and if it did once in a while, not in a manner as back when Adult Swim did it once for april fools
I know many people who have only heard of the movie, thanks to the exposure Doug agve it in hsi review. And I know he was not the first person to do it, but his "drama" when it was taken down etc. helped I think in its notority, which was later taken on by other reviewers too.
Doug, having been ore of a major reviewer back in these days, heped make Tommy Wisseau wider known. And I think that, in combination with other things kinda helped Tommy become known even more/helped his infamy from which he is now actually making a new career.

Or in short: Walker, at least in the online community, accidentally contributed in parts to the sort of infamy Wisseau has now. The Disaster Artist may have made Tommy now widely known for a movie audience, but Doug did it for the internet consumers.

In some aspects yes, Doug definitely did help spread The Room's popularity. But The Room didn't really need him to do that, nor was he the first. The film had already become a cult classic by that point, and it was already being shown on Adult Swim. It was already on track to receiving the level of fame it has today, Doug's conflict with Wiseau was just fuel to the fire.

So Doug did help with the films popularity, but he definitely was the mastermind behind it's popularity and spread.

 

[Magic Sun Daddy]

Even all the money in the world won't save you, if you are a) not a good actor and b) your idea for a story is literally "lets walk around like a bunch of childrne, be loud and reference shit over and over".
Even ignoring all the drama with channelawesome, I always looked at the anniversary movies in retrospect as followed:

Kickassia: I actually liked it when it happened, but that was more because I was under the illusion the guys care for each other and it was still awesome to see people I like come together to make some sort of bigger project. Then you wait for a few months, look at it again when the hype has died down and you realize, it did a pretty awful job at portraying anyone as anything else than a prob for Doug.

Suburban Knights: Terrible. Just terrible. Not even going to try and defend anything. Kickassia was compared to that garbage a master piece.

To boldly Flee: Technically speaking better than Suburban Knights. But also a 3 hour wank fest with reference over reference. I mena, the movie is just a gobbled up version of Ghostbusters, Flight of the Navigator and Star Wars/Trek, with shitton of stupid other gag references.

And then just add all the behind the scenes drama and there you have it folks: garbage.

Doug, as Lupa herself says, doesn't have an original bone in his body. And that is where a lot of his failures steam from in my opinion: Doug does not know how to tell a compelling and funny story on his own, without relying to heavy on the ideas of others.

I remember when I first sat down to watch Kickassia and barely a minute in Doug chooses to plagerize a bit from a Wile E. Coyote cartoon.

 

[UglyOldJafar]

I remember when I first sat down to watch Kickassia and barely a minute in Doug chooses to plagerize a bit from a Wile E. Coyote cartoon.

Oh my god. From 16:00 to 16:30 of Kickassia Part 1, the video actually is a condensed version of what the heck is going on with channelawesome

 

[madbringer]

Probably the saddest part about all of this is, instead of these anniversary flicks being basically just shitposts, just a bunch of buds hanging out and having some fun like I thought years ago, Doug & co thought they are making comedy gold and legit art.

What is it with these internet reviewers and their fucking movies being serious business? YOU REVIEW SHIT ON THE INTERNET, YOU'RE NOT THE NEXT KUBRICK. God-damn.

 

[Blender]

I watched the Ghostbusters review he did recently and holy fuck why are people still watching this guy? Him making videos 10 years ago felt like having your wife pregnant and now it just feels like she gave birth to a nigger after knowing that you were sterile by the time she got knocked up. Unless you like this kind of fucked up shit.

Of course, cucks watch Doug.

 

[Xarpho]

It seemed like she didn't say anything because she wanted to get signed to the channel. Which she did 3 months after the anniversary movie was filmed.

If she (yeah yeah, I know) let herself be treated like scum because she was sucking up for getting onto CA then what happened afterwards? From what I've read about IL, she's less of an asshole than Linkara is/was, but stunts like the "imma real girl, look at my hrt breasts" would suggest she's just as much of an asshole as the most of them, and she really didn't have a big problem with CA. It further calls into questions how much of the document is legitimate, and if Michaud is evil incarnate as the document suggests or just incompetent. Lindsay's portion creates about the document, like where she defends Olson, or just brings up the "streak of harassment against female contributors" bit without going to much detail (an earlier poster pointed out that if Lindsay did any sexual favors for CA/Doug, she absolutely would've brought that up).

 

[Hari Seldon]

Couple of hours ago Silent Rob (don't ask me, I don't know either) had a livestream, where Guru Larry popped in and dropped a couple of text bombs in the chat:

Here are some highlights about Larry's relationship with CA and other contributors, his observations and behind the scenes stuff:

• 00:38:21 - Larry apparently had no issues with dealing with Michaud.
• 00:46:13 - Larry admits to never sign NDA or any other document with Channel Awesome.
• 00:48:14 - Doug controls anything creative on the site.
• 00:53:54 - Michaud wanted JewWario back on the site, but Pat Contri wouldn't let him leave Retroware.
• 00:56:57, 00:57:28, 00:57:48 - Todd blocked Larry on Twitter without ever talking with him, he asked why, Nash and Tony Goldmark told him he shouldn't ask and respect Todd's decision. Same thing happened to him with Kyle Karlgreen.
• 00:58:30 - "There were cliques within cliques on TGWTG" (at least another confirmation that shit run on every level at CA)
• 01:01:04 - CA management was actively trying to boot Lupa after she forced them to kicked Spoony off the site.
• 01:01:23 - There was a point where Spoony's earnings were higher than Doug's.
• 01:02:45 - ... although Doug probably wasn't aware of Noah's popularity