TGWTG "Nostalgia Critic" / Doug Walker, Rob Walker, Mike Michaud, Mike Ellis, Holly Christine Brown, et al - The Incompetent Predator-Protecting Upper Management of Channel Awesome, Doug Still Not That Funny

But remember Todd in the Shadows classic Justin rant at Gamergate? The loving reverence they all hold Justin? Just how many predators and pedophiles have the Chez Apocalypse crew all been found shielding protecting and encouraging over the past 3 years or so? “I knew Justin Carmichael! Justin Carmichael was a friend of mine...” really?

Well, it's like I said earlier on when this shitstorm was about to take place. At first, I and several other people thought it was a really scummy thing of Todd to make that tweet, because he was basically throwing his dead friend under the bus to make his side of the fence look better. Someone who genuinely seemed like a good man was being used as a cudgel by some autist against people who disagreed with his re-tarded political opinions, and it was pretty heartbreaking to see at the time.

Now, I'm not saying recent events have vindicated Todd from doing so—even as someone who likes his videos, I'm not afraid to admit it was a pretty shitty thing of him to do, and I still wouldn't dare to defend it. However, as I'm watching this shitshow unfold before my very eyes, as I witness Michaud in the minefield stepping all over the bombs, as I remember some of the staunchest anti-GGers like Quinn, Nyberg, Dan Olson, Izzy Galvez, Devin Faraci...I don't think Todd's assessment of his friend was exactly incorrect, to say the very least. After seeing all this shit come to light, he probably would have fit perfectly with that sort of crowd.

Retrospect really is 20/20.
 
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https://twitter.com/WeWuzMetokur/status/984322528205254656

If this is true it would make perfect sense as to why the person in the document didn't want to mention it was him. He's a victim of suicide so people were going to be inevitably either hurt because they supported him or hostile to the person who was confessing that he groomed her

EDIT: caught up with the thread, jewwario rape confirmed, what an absolute fucking shitshow
 
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Because to do anything else or say anything else is Defamation and they would be sued. There is a very very real reason that Business almost never discuss HR matters or actions, unless Law Enforcement has confirmed something and prosecuted. Michaud said that they immediately brought their lawyer in. We don't know if they had anything to bring to Law Enforcement. Chances are no only the girl herself could do that. In truth legally and ethically Channel Awesome would have had only a handful of options. Remember Justin, like the bulk of the CA autists was not a regular employee. He wasn't a contractor. He was a media partner. Really the only legal and ethical options the CA management would have had would be to quietly kick him to the curb. If they had clear direct evidence of a crime than give it to the DA. Otherwise they really had no other options. Spilling Defamatory Dirt gets you sued. This is why former employers can and will only ever verify dates of employment, and nothing else. Even if you shot up their offices all they are allowed to say is "He worked here from X to Y" They can't even editorialize it by saying that you "quit or were terminated without notice". It's horrible, but it is the sad truth of the world we have created.

This isn't an accurate summation of how defamation works, and Jew Wario wouldn't have won a defamation suit if he filed it. Also, what you say about former employers isn't true—they certainly can give out the fact of why and how you were terminated. They usually don't, because it is generally better to play it safe, but you're just plain wrong to say that they can't. What's even stranger to me is that you bring that up while you directly state Justin wasn't an employee to begin with.

Any lawyer worth his salt can tell you that defamation is by and large immensely unfavorable to a plaintiff. There are so many potential ways that the people at Channel Awesome could have made a statement regarding Jew Wario's behavior at conventions in a way that wouldn't be actionable or easily defended with a good faith exception. Unless Mike literally put in the statement that Jew Wario was a confirmed pedo-rapist, you'd have a hell of a time winning a defamation suit.

Here, I'll even give you a quick example of how easy this would be:

"Channel Awesome regretfully has decided to cut ties with Justin "Jew Wario" Carmical after complaints about his actions at various conventions. We have been given reason to believe that Justin conducted himself improperly with his fan-base and engaged in behaviors that we at Channel Awesome cannot condone or defend."

Defamation is built on the idea that you're tarnishing someone's reputation by making an untrue statement. If you don't have an untrue statement, you don't have defamation. If it's true they received complaints about improper conduct, and that's where they terminated him, there's no room for a suit.

My bet, however, is that Michaud has a lawyer that plays Call of Duty all day and can't be asked to draft up a three sentence statement detailing their reasons for terminating Justin in a legally unambiguous manner and would prefer to just quietly let the whole thing go because it means less work.
 
I genuinely want to see Doug weather through this storm of autists and shit-flinging failed content creators.

It does seem to me like the Walker brothers and Brad are genuinely trying their hardest to keep their noses out of the autistic Internet war between Michaud and the #ChangeTheChannel people.

I am interested in how things are going to go with Malcolm tossing his furry suit into the ring and "What's a Star Wars?" Tamara also trying to defuse the wildfire with...a video or some shit like that? I don't know. Either it'll be flat-out ignored or it'll somehow make the situation even worse (probably the former).
 
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Dan talking about this in the Something Awful Internet Critic thread. tldr: They knew for about two weeks and were expecting the victims to want to let sleeping dogs lie, now Dan's getting pissy that a lot of people are gonna pry into the producer's lives to see if any of them knew about Justin before this.
"Justin functionally settled the issue himself."

That's an awful dark way to put it.

I do think there's a tremendous irony in all this, considering they actually knew about Justin's activities when they were criticizing CA for not doing anything about the sexual predators. If CA were smart, they would capitalize on this hypocrisy.
 
"Justin functionally settled the issue himself."

That's an awful dark way to put it.

I do think there's a tremendous irony in all this, considering they actually knew about Justin's activities when they were criticizing CA for not doing anything about the sexual predators. If CA were smart, they would capitalize on this hypocrisy.

The thing is there, is that I think we can all agree that the last thing we could call anyone at CA these days is 'smart'.
 
"Justin functionally settled the issue himself."

That's an awful dark way to put it.

I do think there's a tremendous irony in all this, considering they actually knew about Justin's activities when they were criticizing CA for not doing anything about the sexual predators. If CA were smart, they would capitalize on this hypocrisy.
If it wouldn't get me banned I might actually consider saying that straight to him. Unfortunately, I'm too pathetic and care too much about my ten dollars to burn my account on that.
 
"Justin functionally settled the issue himself."

That's an awful dark way to put it.

I do think there's a tremendous irony in all this, considering they actually knew about Justin's activities when they were criticizing CA for not doing anything about the sexual predators. If CA were smart, they would capitalize on this hypocrisy.

Oh look he even somehow blames Gamergate for his clique covering up yet another serial predator in their midst. Absolutely amazing. And once again for those that missed it one of the three principle authors of the Google Doc was the former HR department for Channel Awesome. So no, they didn’t find out about this 2 weeks ago. Sorry doesn’t pass the smell test.
 
I understand the skepticism towards sexual accusations (especially nowadays) but this shit totally makes it understandable why the accuser was so hesitant to name the possible groomer. Just. Goddamn.
On one hand this is extremely fucked up but on the other hand, I REALLY wanna see the reactions to this. Especially from people like Lindsay who are Proud Feminists™. They sat on this information for years and some of them even supported this man knowing full well that he was a predator. Absolutely incredible
 
It does seem to me like the Walker brothers and Brad are genuinely trying their hardest to keep their noses out of the autistic Internet war between Michaud and the #ChangeTheChannel people.

What CAN Doug or Rob do in this scenario though?

The document painted them out to be completely inept and incredibly naive and ineffective.

If they had any chance to pass comment it's long fucking gone now as a shitstorm of nigh epic proportions has been created. Anything that they would or say or do now would in all likelihood only serve to pour a generous helping of gasoline onto an already large and out of control bonfire.

They are seen as management and considering that Michaud hasn't seen fit to raise his head and address things like a network head should, the brothers will have two very large targets painted on their backs and a lot of (probably) metaphorical guns being brought to bear directly on them.

This is the very epitome of a Kobayashi-Maru situation for them. They say nothing, they only confirm the fact that they are at best naive to the point being Michael Scott and at worst, about as inept at their jobs as a chocolate teapot. They say something, and they will most likely have to fight their corner in some way, knowing the both of them it will not go well at all and will only serve to create more problems.

As for Brad:

Brad is based (I still really fucking hope) he gon' be fine.
 
If CA were smart, they would capitalize on this hypocrisy.

No, that would make them stupider than they already are. Michaud and the Walkers knew the truth about Justin longer than anyone. Throwing stones at the ex-producers who've only known for a couple of weeks would be hypocrisy unto itself and fan the flames to a hilarious degree. Which is why I vainly hope they'll actually do that.

What CAN Doug or Rob do in this scenario though?

Doug can come out of this relatively unscathed if he gets control of the Nostalgia Critic IP and goes independent. With his popularity, he could easily make a comfortable income from Patreon doing NC. It goes without saying this is also his best and only option at this point. CA is done for.
 
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