At least 100 Google employees organize to fight cyberbullying, ask for clearer policies

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(this article came out 6 hours before the YouTube HQ shooting so it didn't really get any attention even though it relates to a lot of the Google shit that has been going on with lawsuits)

At least 100 Google employees are asking their employer for clearer workplace guidelines around cyberbullying and accepted speech after a number of lawsuits were filed against the company related to what workers write on internal company discussion channels.

The Silicon Valley Business Journal previously reported that about 50 employees had organized themselves in an internal movement to informally petition the Mountain View-based division of Alphabet on the issue. Over the weekend, Reuters reported that number has now doubled.

As the Business Journal explores in our latest cover story, "Silicon Valley companies are walking an HR tightrope," many of the region's biggest tech employers, while traditionally bastions for free speech are now grappling with how to maintain civility and a sense of safety in increasingly politicized workplaces.

“We’ve been taken under siege in a war we didn’t even know we’re in, a war we didn’t even want,” Google software engineer Matt Stone told Reuters. “We want it to stop.”

The policies employees say they are fighting for include stopping personal attacks on forums, punishment for employees who leak conversations, and a list of rights for accusers, defendants, and managers, according to Reuters. Employees are also seeking protection against false claims made to human resources and are asking for a moderator to track misconduct in internal discussion forums.

Internal discussions have grown increasingly volatile since the presidential elections last year and have leaked out to the public on several occasions.

Last summer, Google engineer James Damore was fired after he posted a 10-page memo to employee message boards suggesting, among other things, that women may be less well-suited for software engineering than men and criticizing Google's workforce diversity efforts. Damore is currently pursuing a class-action lawsuit against Google that claims the company discriminates against white, conservative men like himself.

In February, another employee — this time, Tim Chevalier, a left-leaning worker, filed a lawsuit against the company alleging the company did not protect him from hateful rhetoric that was leaked and used to troll gay and queer workers. He also alleges that Google doesn't have clear guidelines on what employees may or may not say on internal forums, and that, as a result, he was unexpectedly fired.

"They're (employees) saying, if this doesn't happen in six months, we're considering leaving Google because the conditions there are getting unworkable and the group of people aware of these concerns is growing," he told the Business Journal in an interview last month.

Google engineer Liz Fong-Jones told Reuters that employees fear physical retaliation when internal conversations are leaked to media, which sometimes include writers’ names. “My coworkers and I are having our right to a safe workplace being endangered."

Employees in the organized group have been working with the nonprofit Coworker.org since last fall. Co-founder Michelle Miller told the Business Journal that she has personally worked with 40 of the employees as well as a growing number of tech workers from various other Silicon Valley companies.

Her colleague Yana Calou, who is Coworker.org's engagement and training manager, has also been working with employees and has made several trips out to Mountain View from its New York base, she told us.

“What seems to be unique is both the simultaneous commitment to open and free communication, and then the lack of clarity around what that open communication means,” Miller said. “We started hearing more from people — during the fall — who were so alarmed by the harassment and the firings that they finally reached out to someone else who could try to help them solve this problem because it was clear wasn’t going to be solved inside (their companies).”

Google is unique because it sets the standard for other tech employers, she added.

“The question we’re hearing from (employees) is more around just getting some amount of clarity and transparency about the ways in which HR and the C-suites are actually engaging in these discussions around diversity and inclusion in politics and what those parameters are,” she said. "It's really hard for these employees because they do feel really committed to Google and they do feel like this is such a solvable problem."

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose...loyee-forums-cyberbullying-policies-goog.html
 
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I'm sure they now know that it's nothing in comparison to a disgruntled youtuber showing up at their offices to have a word about how their policies kinda mess with peoples' livelihoods. :optimistic:
 
They wanted this, they fought for this. Now the tech industry (including the game industry) is a hyper-partisan, hyper-political environment and there's no sign of it slowing down. A lot of these people are just complaining because they're getting blow-back, and are more than happy to create extremely hostile work environments for views they don't approve of (eg. Liz Fong-Jones)
 
The goal being of course, to eventually make it a felony to host sites such as this one, and to ban what they term "hate groups" and "hate symbols" altogether in the United States.

They'll get around the First Amendment by doing exactly what they are now; calling it "hate speech" and "bullying". They will take it slowly, work by increments and pass legislation in the dark of night. I can realistically see this happening sooner rather then later.
Time is short.

Just you wait, one day all of us "offensive" people will be rounded up for our cyberbullying ways. Not next week, not even next year, but eventually they will ramp this up to virtual control over the internet.
 
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They wanted this, they fought for this. Now the tech industry (including the game industry) is a hyper-partisan, hyper-political environment and there's no sign of it slowing down. A lot of these people are just complaining because they're getting blow-back, and are more than happy to create extremely hostile work environments for views they don't approve of (eg. Liz Fong-Jones)

The only satisfaction is seeing it snap back in their faces. A small comfort for everyone else who is going to suffer.

The goal being of course, to eventually make it a felony to host sites such as this one, and to ban what they term "hate groups" and "hate symbols" altogether in the United States.

They'll get around the First Amendment by doing exactly what they are now; calling it "hate speech" and "bullying". They will take it slowly, work by increments and pass legislation in the dark of night. I can realistically see this happening sooner rather then later.
Time is short.

Just you wait, one day all of us "offensive" people will be rounded up for our cyberbullying ways. Not next week, not even next year, but eventually they will ramp this up to virtual control over the internet.

I feel for everyone who didn't get to see the internet when it was good. It has changed so much since I started using it regularly in 2000. It's almost unrecognizable.

These morons don't realise that they are playing right into the hands of a government that has wanted to tightly control and censor the internet since its inception. And now the snowflakes are finally feeling it trickle down onto them. Don't look to everyone you screwed over for help. We'll just laugh and say "we told you so".
 
Google engineer Liz Fong-Jones told Reuters that employees fear physical retaliation when internal conversations are leaked to media, which sometimes include writers’ names. “My coworkers and I are having our right to a safe workplace being endangered."

There’s our fong. At this point fong needs a thread proper @neger psykolog
 
Just an all star cast mentioned in the article. The group some employees have been working with, coworker.org, seems like a dumpster fire of an idea.
from their wobsite said:
Coworker.org allows you to start, run, and win campaigns to change your workplace. Have an idea for improving your workplace? Start by creating a Coworker.org petition and talking to your coworkers about your campaign. Every day, people are launching and joining campaigns around issues large and small -- from improving an office breakroom to providing paid sick leave to employees. Anything is possible when coworkers join together.
“Go begins the backs of your managers to complain openly online, and we’ll start a gofundme”
Just exceptional effort on their part.
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There’s our fong. At this point fong needs a thread proper @neger psykolog

Anyone can make one on Liz, however, at the moment I'm holding off on making a thread because I'm not sure she actually/currently qualifies for lolcow status. She certainly isn't as reactive as you'd expect a lolcow to be.

People can disagree with my current judgement on that and its fine, but I try not to make threads just for the sake of making threads. Sure she's transgender, sure she wears a dog collar to work and sure there was that one time she wrote a complaint to a webhost using a google.com email but I'm still holding off until something more significant happens.

On top of all this and something that the author of this article failed to put across is that "cyberbullying" in this case isn't Kiwifarms. Its Google's internal forums which are only accessible by Google employees.
  • Google asks its staff to be "open"
  • Staff have been "open"
  • Google fires some staff for being too "open"
  • Staff want to know what "open" means
If you look at it from purely that perspective then its easy to understand why employees are having issues.

Its written very clearly:
"The policies employees say they are fighting for include stopping personal attacks on forums, punishment for employees who leak conversations, and a list of rights for accusers, defendants, and managers, according to Reuters. Employees are also seeking protection against false claims made to human resources and are asking for a moderator to track misconduct in internal discussion forums."

Maybe there is more/less to it than whats written in the article, but what I'm reading is Google employees taking issue with internal Google shit and not stuff that happens outside of Google (besides people leaking private conversations/internal forum discussions which is arguably a severe thing for an employee to do).

The reason Google is so important and this story is so important is that Google's position is so significant than any rules or standards they hold will likely be picked up by every other tech company.
 
Anyone can make one on Liz, however, at the moment I'm holding off on making a thread because I'm not sure she actually/currently qualifies for lolcow status. She certainly isn't as reactive as you'd expect a lolcow to be.
Her TAKE THAT OFF THE INTERNET NOW NOW NOW activities towards the Farms calling her articles exceptional, trying to needle and discredit the Farms in her articles because we make fun of her and it hurt her ego, and using her actual Google employee email to try to gain more leverage against the Farms are 3 pretty good ones. I guess maybe it's time to use the ol' search engine to dig up some Fong gems with regards to thread content though.
 
Her TAKE THAT OFF THE INTERNET NOW NOW NOW activities towards the Farms calling her articles exceptional, trying to needle and discredit the Farms in her articles because we make fun of her and it hurt her ego, and using her actual Google employee email to try to gain more leverage against the Farms are 3 pretty good ones. I guess maybe it's time to use the ol' search engine to dig up some Fong gems with regards to thread content though.

I only really looked into her following the email saga and one of the Google lawsuits but I haven't ever seen her mention Kiwifarms by name. The Wired article does mention her in a paragraph which includes Kiwi Farms, but it doesn't specifically imply she was posted about on Kiwi Farms. It actually says it was about another Google employee:

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https://www.wired.com/story/the-dirty-war-over-diversity-inside-google/

This is the same article that Breitbart took issue with btw:
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http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/...servative-harassers-victims-smears-breitbart/

Anyway, that is part of the reason I don't just jump up and make threads on anything. A lot of this discussion has taken place through media outlets who write articles poorly and read articles poorly.

she's a member of the rat king, also using google corporate email to harass people https://kiwifarms.net/threads/2017-08-18-liz-fong-jones-harassing-people-for-hosting-my-email.33411/

I'm aware of that, although not the rat king part. If someone wants to make a thread on her they can go ahead, all I've said is that at this present point in time I'm not going to be making one just yet. I responded to someone tagging my name and have had a few different people ask when there is going to be an article on Liz. So that's what my answer is.
 
I'm aware of that, although not the rat king part. If someone wants to make a thread on her they can go ahead, all I've said is that at this present point in time I'm not going to be making one just yet. I responded to someone tagging my name and have had a few different people ask when there is going to be an article on Liz. So that's what my answer is.

yeah she has lots of ties with our rat king cows, not to mention she has created her own rat king within google with many threadworty people including that tranny who wants to become an armless snake person and the other tranny who runs a plurals group in google. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/kevin-batman-lucia-batman-freyasspirit.38344/
the biggest problem with content from fong is that she hides in a secret employees only google board, the same one that bullied james damore
 
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