DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[Waveysauce]

@BSV lmao I legit laughed. "only know 1 kid and he is fond of lemurs"

but yea I think he is the only one who ever stole his moms credit card for phil. the other fans I think are at least over 18

But also with what we just talked about...... NO other person has detractors that hard. No A-logs that hard either (post chris).

not even pedos like Onision have that level of detractors. Phil earned most of it

 

[Brother Wind]

Actually, I'm curious @BSV do you play video games?

 

[ANDS!]

I don't think you realise of salty he was, he was almost to the point of voice cracks.
The recommended level for the DLC is 65, Phil is level 69.
Someone cheered him and said he should wait for level 80 which is hilarious because it's a challenge to reach level 80 by the end of NG.

I seriously don't know where you folks get some of this overleveled stuff. Just peeking at a few streamers and about the lowest final game completion I can see is Lobosjr (who most would consider an incredible Souls-like player) finished the game about 75 it looks like, and started Old Hunters NG+2 at about 180. EpicNameBro, considered pretty boss on Souls-lore, finished the game at 93. Fightincowboy went into the final fight at like 120. Phil beat the game at 112. I would say that is slightly above average with the average being around level 90 to beat the game.

. . .I'm not trying to defend the guy, but people need to get over this bit about every OTHER gamer being some sort of savant.

No offence but this lore is a bit too deep. I think I only know one teenager like that. And he is very fond of lemurs. It's not the Norm as far as I know. Most people that support him more then likely pitty him. And why on earth would they want to be like him? Not many want to be an internet sideshow for a carrier.

Not really. I know what you are suggesting. But people on the internet are weird. Some people where drilling wells in africa to prove their point. Phil does come off as quite normal in comparison. The detractors are an amalgamation of many different people. In different communities. Most people are just hating on phil because it is entertaining. They laugh and lampoon him. While others scream in to a camera what a piece of shit he is and think that is impressive, and seem to have some genuine psychological problems. Phil does the mistake of labeling everyone as mentally ill detractors. And Even though there probably just is a handful. They do help phil a lot to even the score. It's not 2+2, not by a long shot.

I think some of the detractors and Phil are like the USSR and the USA: they're in an "arms race" to see who can escalate the overreaction. I think the guys who do the "news shows" with late breaking "news" are in the lead right now.

 

[samovski]

.I'm not trying to defend the guy, but people need to get over this bit about every OTHER gamer being some sort of savant.

It's not necessarily about what lvl he finishes the game. It's about what lvl he is when he finishes or starts certain parts of the game. He definitely overlevelled himself last time round, people turned off because every time he started again he admitted proudly that he'd grinded off camera. Some of the grinding would've taken hours, probably far longer than if he just tried fighting the boss a few times.

If he's deemed overlevelled people are gonna find it boring. That's how fans of this game are, it's not a good thing and not a bad thing. It's just a thing.

The main problem is if he's willfully and knowingly overlevelling for areas. Because last time around he 100% was, I don't see why this time would be different. That's not taking in to account his chat holding his hand. Telling him what bosses are weak to etc. People like Lobos and ENB shouldn't be compared to Phil. That's unfair to him, but he shouldn't get away without being called out on bullshit.

 

[actually]

I seriously don't know where you folks get some of this overleveled stuff. Just peeking at a few streamers and about the lowest final game completion I can see is Lobosjr (who most would consider an incredible Souls-like player) finished the game about 75 it looks like, and started Old Hunters NG+2 at about 180. EpicNameBro, considered pretty boss on Souls-lore, finished the game at 93. Fightincowboy went into the final fight at like 120. Phil beat the game at 112. I would say that is slightly above average with the average being around level 90 to beat the game.

. . .I'm not trying to defend the guy, but people need to get over this bit about every OTHER gamer being some sort of savant.

Honestly, I have two primary problems with how he's playing. 1) He says he's not grinding when he's very blatantly wondering around and making sure to fight every single out-of-the-way (but easy) trash mob to grind up souls. Is he over-leveled like he was before? No, but talking to some chat members that appear to know what they're talking about, he's still a good 10-20 levels over what's roughly recommended/expected. 2) He's doing that shit where he pretends he's just happening to remember things. Today he just "happened" to wonder a long, poison-filled pathway and "randomly" came across a +100 to all RES rune. If he fessed up to using a guide to help him out, I could ignore it, but it's far more annoying for him to pretend he's just mary-sueing his way through the game because his ego can't handle the possibility of not doing well. Of course, he's at 83 deaths anyway, so the guide's not doing that much.

 

[SkippyLongbottom]

The thing about the over-leveling for areas is that he's blatantly avoiding progressing to get materials for his weapons and gems. Levels aren't nearly as important compared to upgrading your weapons.
He's just padding this and I do not expect him to even reach Ludwig until God of War is over at the rate he is going. The one boss we are all waiting for, he ends up quitting the dlc with extreme salt around the Beast Claw hunter, because he feels he is not ready until he grinds more levels, when it's not leveling is the problem, it's his weapon.

 

[JamFlowMan]

Honestly, I have two primary problems with how he's playing. 1) He says he's not grinding when he's very blatantly wondering around and making sure to fight every single out-of-the-way (but easy) trash mob to grind up souls. Is he over-leveled like he was before? No, but talking to some chat members that appear to know what they're talking about, he's still a good 10-20 levels over what's roughly recommended/expected. 2) He's doing that shit where he pretends he's just happening to remember things. Today he just "happened" to wonder a long, poison-filled pathway and "randomly" came across a +100 to all RES rune. If he fessed up to using a guide to help him out, I could ignore it, but it's far more annoying for him to pretend he's just mary-sueing his way through the game because his ego can't handle the possibility of not doing well. Of course, he's at 83 deaths anyway, so the guide's not doing that much.

All of this should have been expected though. The Dark Souls "redemption run" set the stage for what everyone of these "special" events were going to be, and that was the best you were ever going to get. Phil is doing this for money and to heal his bruised ego because people still laugh that he quit the dlc. He can't say he is using a guide because he wants to lie and say he did it all by himself.

This is a 36 year old man and he has so little acomplishment in his life he has to lie about getting handheld through a video game to feel like he can brag about something. So let him get handheld, let him lie, and let him beg because the day after he gloats he beat Bloodborne "legit, all by myself" he has to sit back down on that same love seat and slice off the piece of dignity he feels he earned by beating a video game so someone will throw $5 at him.

 

[Done]

I was gonna respond but decided there was no need to throw my hat into this pile of austism.

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Where's the autism? Phil is doing exactly what he should be doing as a streamer, making connections and creating moments for his followers.

We can't criticize him for tossing out opportunities while also criticizing him for doing the right thing too, that's kinda idiotic, no?

 

[Forbidden Math]

WWE may be widely available to Americans, but the internet and YouTube are a thing. Also Ring of Honor isn't some fly by night promotion and they and their talent have a fairly solid media presence. I've never paid for a New Japan or ROH viewing package, but I know who Omega is as well as a ton of talent that have never stepped foot into a WWE ring. I do not doubt Phil knows who Kenny Omega is (and honestly why would you randomly tweet at someone).

. . .as for Omega not knowing who Phil is beyond his FGC rep, there's a link in that tweet thread that suggests it's quite the opposite. Omega knows exactly the kind of person DSP is.

Finally, why would people NOT want to see Phil get embarrassed? Are they worried that rubbing shoulders ONLINE with Omega for like 10 minutes is going to turn Phil's fortunes around and most immediately sound the horns to put a stop to it? It just comes off petty honestly.

Omega will destroy DSP, I'm sure that's the only reason he wants to do it. Honestly surprised DSP had the balls to basically challenge him, I'm actually betting he doesn't know Omega's competitive history or skill.

 

[WeeblesWobble]

Omega will destroy DSP, I'm sure that's the only reason he wants to do it. Honestly surprised DSP had the balls to basically challenge him.

Is this speculation or is Omega legit good? I'd say Phil is slightly above average in old school
Street Fighter.

 

[Forbidden Math]

Is this speculation or is Omega legit good? I'd say Phil is slightly above average in old school
Street Fighter.

Phil is trash, he's a button masher with no skill. Omega is legit good at fighting games, maybe not world class but not a button mashing scrub like DSP.

 

[James Smith]

Where's the autism? Phil is doing exactly what he should be doing as a streamer, making connections and creating moments for his followers.

We can't criticize him for tossing out opportunities while also criticizing him for doing the right thing too, that's kinda idiotic, no?

I think it's fine to make fun of him for making bad decisions while claiming the right decisions are really bad ones. I also think it's fine to make fun of him when he becomes desperate, does a 180, and acts like he never made those bad decisions and acts like he never said what he's now doing is bad.

 

[Done]

I think it's fine to make fun of him for making bad decisions while claiming the right decisions are really bad ones. I also think it's fine to make fun of him when he becomes desperate, does a 180, and acts like he never made those bad decisions and acts like he never said what he's now doing is bad.

That wasn't what I was arguing, but I still agree.

 

[WeeblesWobble]

Phil is trash, he's a button masher with no skill. Omega is legit good at fighting games, maybe not world class but not a button mashing scrub like DSP.

Why so much anger from "slightly above average at old school street fighter?"

 

[actually]

350 viewers on the Yakuza 6 PREMIERE(TM, R, C) stream. Bored/viewquit for sure.

 

[WeeblesWobble]

Anyway, I popped in on Phil's stream. Phil really isn't good with games that are heavy on cutscenes. Especially those with drama and emotion. Every reaction he has is so manufactured and forced that it would be better to just cut off his cam and mic for the cutscenes so he won't interrupt them. As far as the rest of the game, he doesn't really have much to add besides pointing out obvious things in the game and laughing at japanese names.

 

[Brian Butterfield]

Almost double for what he got for Ni No Kuni 2, his 2nd streams just seem to be subpar even for him.

 

[ANDS!]

It's not necessarily about what lvl he finishes the game. It's about what lvl he is when he finishes or starts certain parts of the game. He definitely overlevelled himself last time round, people turned off because every time he started again he admitted proudly that he'd grinded off camera. Some of the grinding would've taken hours, probably far longer than if he just tried fighting the boss a few times.

If he's deemed overleveled people are gonna find it boring. That's how fans of this game are, it's not a good thing and not a bad thing. It's just a thing.

Who is watching this playthrough other than Phil's fans and his "detractors?" I honestly don't think they care; the people moaning about the "leveling" I am almost certain are doing so to simply get Phil's goat (which it obviously is). I mean honestly what is the alternative here: we already saw what kind of playthrough Phil puts on when his skill is not enough to compensate for being under-leveled.

The main problem is if he's willfully and knowingly overlevelling for areas. Because last time around he 100% was, I don't see why this time would be different. That's not taking in to account his chat holding his hand. Telling him what bosses are weak to etc. People like Lobos and ENB shouldn't be compared to Phil. That's unfair to him, but he shouldn't get away without being called out on bullshit.

Again, I don't see the problem. Should he not get through the game? I used Lobosjr as a metric as that is the HIGH end of skill in these games (ignoring of course that people do Soul/Blood Level "1" runs in these games all the time) and he finished at almost 80 on his first playthrough. Expecting Phil to end any of his runs around there is a bit much wouldn't you say? The guy is below average at these games (as he has admitted himself).

I think it's fine to make fun of him for making bad decisions while claiming the right decisions are really bad ones. I also think it's fine to make fun of him when he becomes desperate, does a 180, and acts like he never made those bad decisions and acts like he never said what he's now doing is bad.

I believe you miss their point, none of which is reflected in your two criticisms. Phil is literally doing what people on this forum and elsewhere laugh at his inability to do: seek out new streaming opportunities, and expose himself to potential embarrassment. When he does, folks laugh suggesting he (1) doesn't know who the guy is he's tweeting at or (b) doesn't deserve to have such opportunities. You can't have it both ways.

 

[samovski]

Again, I don't see the problem. Should he not get through the game? I used Lobosjr as a metric as that is the HIGH end of skill in these games (ignoring of course that people do Soul/Blood Level "1" runs in these games all the time) and he finished at almost 80 on his first playthrough. Expecting Phil to end any of his runs around there is a bit much wouldn't you say? The guy is below average at these games (as he has admitted himself).

Why is it a bit much? He's played every soulsborne game out. If he can't get through them semi-competently imo he's fair game for piss-taking. Why give him leeway because he's "below average" at these games? He's below average because at every opportunity he's chosen to cheese or over-level in every game in the series. If he played the games normally, learned the mechanics, he'd be at least average, maybe even a little better.

He has no excuse to fall on tbh. If he comes out and says "I can't do it, I'm gonna grind" or asking his chat for help then fair enough. But he does slimy things and then moans about something else. Look at his DkS2 play-through. He finds the easiest cheese possible, then essentially mocks the game for being easy. As soon as the cheese isn't eligible anymore he's ruined. The argument that the cheese was possible therefore legit is fair enough. So is the argument that the cheese took any fun for him and his viewers out of it.

Saying "Should he not get through the game" is weird. Of course he should, but he should also try and entertain his viewers. Watching someone go in to every boss fight knowing he's either over-leveled or knowing his chat is giving him all the bosses weak points isn't fun.

My biggest problem is over-leveling or constantly getting help from his chat is ruining every game he plays not just soulsborne games. He used to be fun because he struggled through and somehow always found a way while raging. Now he just gives up and let's his chat basically complete the game for him.

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

If he doesn't grind or cheat he'll just ragequit. This is like Phil 101