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Isn't it ironic that her sentencing day is on Hitler's birthday AND the Columbine massacre? Irony is a cruel mistress.
⛓️ Incarcerated Lindsay Kantha Souvannarath / Heretics on Holiday - Failed Halifax Mass Shooter & Asian Nazi Fetishist. Sentenced to life in jail.
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She really said they died in 1997?
And remember, Lindsay said she wanted to lose her virginity to Gamble the night before they were planning to shoot up that shopping center, so it probably isn't a stretch to presume Lindsay might have had fantasies about Eric and Dylan, who probably died virgins themselves, being lovers.
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LIFE (25 years) IN PRISON
PAROLE ELIGIBILITY AFTER 10 YEARS
PAROLE ELIGIBILITY AFTER 10 YEARS
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Damn.
I did not see her getting a life sentence.
But I could understand why, since she never renounced how she felt even after being locked up for three years.
I did not see her getting a life sentence.
But I could understand why, since she never renounced how she felt even after being locked up for three years.
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Lindsay doesn't seem like someone to screw up the facts, so that was probably someone who transposed her note.
...Fucking raging serial killer Carl Panzram did a song and dance when he was initially released from juvie at 14, as did his peers. Yet, thinking yourself supreme to others robs you of that basic aspects of deception, as an interview of Richard Spencer reacting to an attempt by the interviewer to get him to condemn Adolf Hitler proves. She could have given a bland, unbelievable statement swearing she'd never do something like this again, even if she didn't renounce Nazism and it would have been better than nothing. Her attorney's not the worst in the business, perhaps(he brought up that motion to dismiss her case based on a technicality), but hopefully, he advised her to say something, otherwise, her life sentence is on him.
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Yeah, I mean, some people got away with worse offenses. I think it's both her lawyer being kinda unexperienced and her own attitude trying to be edgy and scary.
"Recommendations: Souvannarath have only supervised access to the internet"
"Recommendations: Souvannarath have only supervised access to the internet"
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LIFE (25 years) IN PRISON
PAROLE ELIGIBILITY AFTER 10 YEARS
How the fuck is 25 years (and parole eligibility in 10) "life in prison"?
See, this is something in the criminal justice system that annoys the hell out of me. The terminology is completely unintuitive and confusing to the average person. I'm OK with complicated topics having complicated phrasing. That's only natural.
But prison sentences are not complicated. They're a single number: duration behind bars. Or, hell, let's be indulgent. Let's give you another number: eligibility for parole. There, two numbers. That's all you need to accurately convey the sentence to your casual observer.
These are not complicated topics.
Same thing with "felony murder". If someone dies while you're committing a felony, you can be charged with "felony murder". If you rob a bank and a security guard shoots your accomplice, you can be charged with "felony murder", which is ridiculous. Not the idea that you should be held responsible, that's totally fair.
No, what's dumb is using the term "murder". It is confusing to the reader. Say manslaughter. Of course, the next retort is "well that's how the statutes are written". Well yeah, no shit, and that's retarded. Pick different terminology.
Unnecessarily obscure terminology is undemocratic.
Your average person doesn't read a story about "life in prison", then see they misunderstood, and then go "aha, now I'm informed". They just think "well shit, the legal system is full of bullshit, I can't believe anything that's going on, because there's some sneaky legal tricks going on underneath".
Unless there's a reason otherwise, government functions should be as transparent as possible. "Life in prison" -> "whoops, out in 10" is extremely opaque.
Heh, also: is Canada going to forbid her from leaving the country? I wonder if we have any reciprocity in the US with Canada. Like in case she just decided to come back to the US and try to stock up on guns again.
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She must be embarrassed at that hairstyle she's got at 1:16.
Also, might it be a good idea to close this?
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Not yet. Dust is still settling.
But yeah, soonish I would imagine we'll tie it off when things quiet down.
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In Canada life in prison is life in prison. Article must have fudged the facts. You are eligible for parole after 10 years but given the circumstances I doubt this will happen. I think she's going away for a long time. Also given the circumstances she'd be banned from leaving the country as part of her parole terms (IF she gets it).
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Someone should have buttfucked the crazy out of her a long time ago.
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So what does the (25 years) mean? Please help I'm so confused
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Seems like it's like in my country. A life sentence means 25 years here. Except for one guy that's still behind bars after 30 years (and his parole has been denied countless times lol).
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Y'know, I don't think she'd actually be barred from entering the US. She's a US citizen. It'd be against Canadian law for her to leave Canada, but the US wouldn't stop her. Or even if they wanted to, and if she just strolled across the border, I'm not sure if that's even illegal. If your paperwork is otherwise in order, I don't think they care how you got across the border.
I think Canada would need to request an extradition.
@AnOminous What do you think? If Lindsay gets out on parole at some point, how much of a pain in the ass do you think the border situation would be?
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Short answer yes, long answer, depends on the judge during sentencing.
They're probably talking about parole eligibility since the judge can determine eligibility between 1-25 years of a sentence. The article's too muddled to say with all the numbers being thrown around. That being said I'm no law guy so any Canadian lawyer can correct me.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/american-gets-life-for-halifax-mall-shooting-plot-1.3894249
Basically this article confirms life in prison with parole eligibility in 10 years. However my friends tell me there's a good chance for her gaining Dangerous Offender status. Basically means she can be locked up for an indefinite amount of time.
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@Marvin I'm wrong about the border thing. Didn't know she was a US citizen. Chances are the judge will extradite her to the US after a few years and spend the rest of her sentence there.
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So does this mean she might be able to post here again?
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I don't think Canada has blacklisted the Farms so... it depends on the "supervised access"
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You're a weiner! Or pickle! Yes confirmed in trial she was going to lose her virginity that nite.
Life in prison up here is weird. But for Lindsay she was sentenced under s. 465(1)(a) of the Criminal Code - Sentencing for conspiracy to commit (multiple) murder(s)
So, she got a life sentence under that charge, eligible for parole after 10 (which is low considering, 25 is max) Because she got 1x credit for time incarcerated before sentencing, she can apply for parole in 7 years. She will be 33.
But, there is no guarantee she will have parole granted. If the Parole Board finds she still poses a risk to the public, she can still be in prison well after her parole eligibility period. That's where the life comes in. If he would Have just given her 25 years, no matter what, she is out after 25 years. With the life sentence, it's now the Parole Board who holds her fate in their hands. If they keep denying her parole, she dies in prison. And if she does ever get parole, then she has to remain on parole for rest of her life, with conditions imposed. It's a harsh sentence indeed. Her life is pretty much over. Best thing she can do is either off herself or get involved in whatever the Federal Institutions offer. She could take a lot of courses and become something more than a failed mass shooter. Didn't Tex Watson become a preacher? I am sure there are many other examples.
Dude, you could never imagine. The civil procedure rules, acts and statutes, man. As I work in the system, I could go on about the wording all day man.
LOL, noooo! She was stopped and detained by Cdn Border Services. She is illegal alien. She was not granted entry in to Canada. So, when she is released, she will be deported. Technically, she is on loan to Justice Canada! HAHA
As long as I can get a mod to reopen if anything significant occurs and I can post some updates of anything else relevant and worthy, that'd be cool. Never know, she may neck herself!
Yes, she was eligible for parole in 10 years per her formal sentence. She has been in jail for 3 years 2 months. So she is eligible for Parole in 82 months.
See above!
U.S. woman sentenced to life in Valentine's Day shooting plot at Halifax mall
She was planning a Valentine's Day shooting rampage, a plot concocted online with a Halifax teen that would have seen them open fire at the Halifax Shopping Centre food court on a busy Saturday in February 2015.
The 26-year-old American pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit murder only after thousands of damning Facebook messages between the conspirators were deemed admissible as evidence in the case.
Nova Scotia Supreme Court Justice Peter Rosinski told the court Friday that Souvannarath continues to pose a threat to public safety.
The judge said she has not expressed remorse for her murderous plot, nor has she renounced her ideological motivations for the conspiracy.
In his decision, he called her prospects for rehabilitation "very questionable" and said she needs to be separated from society until safety concerns can be addressed.
Rosinski said he is satisfied that had the plot not been interrupted by an anonymous tip and the quick actions of local police, the plan would have been carried out.
"Coming upon unsuspecting members of the public at the mall that day, what carnage would they have inflicted with a 16-gauge shotgun with 23 shells; a .308 calibre lever-action rifle with 13 shells; and a knife to finish off the wounded?"
The judge added: "Ms. Souvannarath's intention was to kill more than the 13 people who suffered that fate at the Columbine High School shooting," he wrote, referring to her obsession with the massacre in Littleton, Colo.
Her co-conspirator, 19-year-old James Gamble, killed himself as police surrounded his Halifax-area home.
Kate Battan, the lead investigator of the 1999 shooting who wrote a report highlighting parallels between the school shooting and the mall plot, called it "ironic" that Friday's sentencing took place on the 19th anniversary of the Columbine shooting.
She spent a month combing through the private online messages between Souvannarath and Gamble and their plans to mount an attack at a Halifax mall.
"My impression is that they were all in and this was not a joke," she said in an interview. "At some point this became real, this was going to happen."
The judge shared that view, telling the court that the "plan had been set in motion" once Souvannarath boarded a plane for Halifax.
The spectre of shooters opening fire in a busy mall threatened thousands of shoppers and workers and unsettled the city for months.
Rosinski cited the explicit intention to create mass panic and undermine the community's sense of security as an aggravating factor in the sentencing.
"They intended to maximize dead and wounded casualties," the judge wrote in his 32-page decision.
"That they intended to be mocking, callous and brutal in their treatment of potential victims they encountered is an aggravating factor."
He said his sentencing was in part shaped by the principles that apply to terrorism offences and is intended to "send a clear message" to those conspiring to kill multiple people.
"Those who choose to pursue such deadly plans will pay a very heavy price," Rosinski wrote.
Crown attorney Mark Heerema said the sentence serves as a deterrent for similar crimes.
"The court was unequivocal that this kind of conduct here in Canada by an offender who is not claiming to be remorseful or renouncing will never be accepted," he told reporters outside the courtroom.
The woman from Geneva, a quiet suburb of Chicago, has been ordered to provide a sample of her DNA and will be subjected to a firearms prohibition for 10 years after her release from prison. He gave her credit for three years served in custody, so she will be eligible for parole in seven years.
Although the judge has recommended intensive psychological and psychiatric counselling and treatment, the sentence of life in prison means the 26-year-old could spend the rest of her days behind bars.
A third accomplice -- a local man described in court as the "cheerleader" of the plot -- was previously sentenced to a decade in jail.
At the sentencing hearing earlier in the week, Rosinski asked Souvannarath if she would like to address the court. She said: "I decline."
Before delivering his decision Friday, the judge entered letters from Souvannarath's parents and grandparents as exhibits in the case.
The parents of both Souvannarath and Gamble were in court for the sentencing hearing, but declined to be interviewed.
Souvannarath has been held at the Central Nova Scotia Correctional facility in a Halifax-area industrial park since her arrest. Her lawyer has said she will likely be transferred to a women's institution in southern Ontario after sentencing.
The judge noted that the college graduate has been called a quiet prisoner who keeps to herself, participates in Books behind Bars, and was enrolled in a humanities course offered by Dalhousie University.
SOURCE: https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/u-s-wom...s-day-shooting-plot-at-halifax-mall-1.3894387
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So the life sentence is similar to the UK. You get out on parole if you are no longer deemed a threat by a parole board but that can be revoked for the slightest issue.