TGWTG "Nostalgia Critic" / Doug Walker, Rob Walker, Mike Michaud, Mike Ellis, Holly Christine Brown, et al - The Incompetent Predator-Protecting Upper Management of Channel Awesome, Doug Still Not That Funny

[everythingisawkward999]

Sounds like Doug's just dodging the problem. Either he's trying to make himself look good, or he genuinely doesn't even know that a controversy is going on.

 

[BrunoMattei]

that salon article was terrible.

Would Malcolm being part of SAG be any indicator why they're treated better? I'm not 100% on how SAG works, but I'd assume being part of the guild "forces" CA to play nice to an extent

I was not aware of Malcolm and Tamara being SAG. Are you sure about this? Because if true that would change A LOT of things. If you are SAG then whatever you work on has to be SAG approved and that features all that good stuff like benefits, residuals, and being allowed to work x amount of hours.

I doubt Doug and Rob's little circus shitshow are SAG but it would be interesting if they are.

Edit: I read the article and saw that Malcolm is a SAG actor. I'm shocked.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Now if Doug had said what he said in that article a week ago, instead of Michaud’s unbelievable obtuse “I’m sorry you feel that way!” And “response!” He might actually have still have a business. Yes it’s contentless fluff. But it’s the correct type of fluff.

And why does anybody think Salon, an outfit with a huge and undeniable reputation as active pedoappologists, would have even brought up JewWario? It goes against their narrative. Better he died a tragic hero then stain their beloved kiddy diddlers.

 

[A Random]

tfw a bunch of autists on a brazilian carpenting enthusists forum are better researchers than professional journalists

Link. Now.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

I was not aware of Malcolm and Tamara being SAG. Are you sure about this? Because if true that would change A LOT of things. If you are SAG then whatever you work on has to be SAG approved and that features all that good stuff like benefits, residuals, and being allowed to work x amount of hours.

I doubt Doug and Rob's little circus shitshow are SAG but it would be interesting if they are.

Edit: I read the article and saw that Malcolm is a SAG actor. I'm shocked.

Yeah I was surprised too when it was brought up in the article, that's why I was curious if it actually plays a part in his treatment

 

[RodgerDodger]

Yeah I was surprised too when it was brought up in the article, that's why I was curious if it actually plays a part in his treatment

Probably not. I seem to recall that a SAG rules are or can be forgiving with regards to small local productions. So long as you are paying the actors at scale they won’t necessarily go all closed shop union rules on your production crew. Remember you need certain types of screen credits to even apply for SAG membership. NC films may have helped Malcom get that. Even unions need a farm team.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Probably not. I seem to recall that a SAG rules are or can be forgiving with regards to small local productions. So long as you are paying the actors at scale they won’t necessarily go all closed shop union rules on your production crew. Remember you need certain types of screen credits to even apply for SAG membership. NC films may have helped Malcom get that. Even unions need a farm team.

I doubt Malcolm got his SAG card through CA. He probably got it from his radio and commercial work. I remember in Bruce Campbell's book If Chins Could Kill that he mentioned that he finally got his SAG card when he did a Michigan used car commercial.

They could and probably are paying scale but being part of SAG still gives Malcolm the right to residuals and benefits. Which is something I wouldn't expect Doug and Co. to do but yet here we are.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I doubt Malcolm got his SAG card through CA. He probably got it from his radio and commercial work. I remember in Bruce Campbell's book If Chins Could Kill that he mentioned that he finally got his SAG card when he did a Michigan used car commercial.

They could and probably are paying scale but being part of SAG still gives Malcolm the right to residuals and benefits. Which is something I wouldn't expect Doug and Co. to do but yet here we are.

I don’t mean he got it through CA. But to get a SAG card you need a certain amount of “professional” acting credits. Weirdly NC probably counts towards that.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I don’t mean he got it through CA. But to get a SAG card you need a certain amount of “professional” acting credits. Weirdly NC probably counts towards that.

Those "professional" acting credits have to be union-approved. Doing anything independent doesn't count towards getting a SAG card. If you do a SAG-approved production and fulfill the requirements (I.E. having a line, a background extra may not get it but it depends) then you get your SAG card.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Those "professional" acting credits have to be union-approved. Doing anything independent doesn't count towards getting a SAG card. If you do a SAG-approved production and fulfill the requirements (I.E. having a line, a background extra may not get it but it depends) then you get your SAG card.

Informative. But I still would not be surprised to find that at least the Walkers little NC studio might in some way be a SAG approved. Remember they threw insane amounts of money with the intent to seemingly make it a real studio.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Informative. But I still would not be surprised to find that at least the Walkers little NC studio might in some way be a SAG approved. Remember they threw insane amounts of money with the intent to seemingly make it a real studio.

The Walkers also thought their studio could compete with Hollywood.

 

[RodgerDodger]

The Walkers also thought their studio could compete with Hollywood.

I’m not saying they aren’t idiots. Just that given their ability to spend money stupidly I wouldn’t rule out giving some to the guilds.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I’m not saying they aren’t idiots. Just that given their ability to spend money stupidly I wouldn’t rule out giving some to the guilds.

It's possible but I have my doubts. Being part of SAG and the other unions can be very costly. It's not just being entitled to benefits, residuals, and etc that adds to the cost. The SAG union can come in and say "Hey! Where's the union-approved camera guy? Where's the union-approved gaffer? Shut this down!" They can give you a lot of fucking trouble if you don't have a union-approved cast and crew.

My source: books by Lloyd Kaufman (of Troma pictures) and tales from other Indie filmmakers.

The big question would be if the Walkers have that kind of money or is Malcolm skirting under the radar? If he's under the radar while working on these productions by the Walkers then he runs the risk of running afoul of SAG rules and risks getting kicked out.

What I think is happening is that Malcolm is SAG but his work with the Walker's isn't approved but he's working under the table. Because it makes no sense for the Walkers and Michaud to pay out the ass for SAG and go through that headache. But who knows? They are exceptional and could be just that stupid.

 

[ChevroletBlackboard]

Malcolm's a veteran of the radio ad scene in Chicago and has been for a while, so that was likely what got him his SAG membership. If not that, then Demo Reel may just scrape by as something SAG can classify as a production.

 

[Brahmin Baron]

How badly have the recent events affected the number of Nostalgia Critic views? Are they fucked now because their audience is leaving in disgust or are people sticking around because they don't know/care about what's been revealed?

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

How badly have the recent events affected the number of Nostalgia Critic views? Are they fucked now because their audience is leaving in disgust or are people sticking around because they don't know/care about what's been revealed?

don't think it had much of an effect. The latest NC vid is already half a mill in views...and viewing previous vids, they'e more or less on par with past vids views before the controversy

 

[BrunoMattei]

don't think it had much of an effect. The latest NC vid is already half a mill in views...and viewing previous vids, they'e more or less on par with past vids views before the controversy

I'm pretty much convinced that the Walkers could release any Nostalgia Critic video and give it a clickbait title and it would get at least half a million views. The big sticking point is how long people actually watch the video. If people collectively watch less than 10 minutes I don't think they get as much ad revenue.

 

[korya]

I'm pretty much convinced that the Walkers could release any Nostalgia Critic video and give it a clickbait title and it would get at least half a million views. The big sticking point is how long people actually watch the video. If people collectively watch less than 10 minutes I don't think they get as much ad revenue.

I still watch his videos (mostly to see if he will ever react or make a statement on this whole shit show) and I generally stop right when the credits hit because I have 0 interest in his charity shill "look i'm a good person!" segment. I think a lot of fans do the same thing. Cuts out a good 2-3 minutes every review, depending on the video.

 

[RP 520]

As mentioned a few other times, Salon has pedo apologists (and most likely straight up pedophiles) in their ranks and at one time had a couple of pro-pedo/pedo-sympathetic articles until the Roy Moore ran for Senate, so they deleted them when people pointed out the hypocrisy of them running both pro-pedo articles and slamming a potential pedophile at the same time.

The Salon article is out, including quotes from Doug Walker and a number of the contributors in the Google Doc

https://www.salon.com/2018/04/22/the-triumph-and-tragedy-of-channel-awesome/

Here are Doug's quotes in the article:





Malcolm and Tamara were also quoted saying that their experience wasn't the one listed in the Google Doc - which is not surprising considering their working relationship with Channel Awesome and Doug is significantly different than that of the ex-contributors.

Also no explicit mention of Jew Wario

As mentioned a few other times, Salon has pedo apologists (and most likely straight up pedophiles) in their ranks and at one time had a couple of pro-pedo/pedo-sympathetic articles until the Roy Moore ran for Senate, so they deleted them when people pointed out the hypocrisy of them running both pro-pedo articles and slamming a potential pedophile at the same time.

The Walkers and Mike probably purposefully picked Salon, not only because of its past, which would guarantee softball questions in the interview, but also because of Salon's extremely low standards and crave for the clickbait views, which means they'd get a platform to speak on no questions asked.

 

[RJ MacReady]

It's not like a mixed puff piece from Salon is going to help them. They're still fucked. If they need a platform to explain their side in unlimited detail, they have their site.

Honestly I'd say having Lindsay Ellis sperg about how they supported gamergate tips that article into negative publicity, given Salon's social justice bent.