IRL Incels

My buddy Melon is an incel.

I play basketball with him once or twice a week and he runs our Fantasy Football league.

Just a gigantic dude with a terrible beard and an out of control jew-fro.

He's a pretty cool guy.
 
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SigSauer said:
What I’m concerned about here is genetics. If you’re unattractive and you’re still managing to pick up all the good girls or if you just have shit genes and you somehow know how to find all the best pussy in town, then that’s a bad thing imo. Because you’re not spreading the best of genetics and you’re halting natural selection. I believe that the most attractive/intelligent/ should be selected to breed. I know of many incels who are intelligent or have a high iq, but are kinda geeks or loners.

Not everybody is meant for that. If you look at nature in particular wolves, you’ll notice that the Omega plays an important role in the pack structure. Note that I didn’t say beta, as incels aren’t betas. They help by allowing frustration to be vented out without actual acts of war breaking out, which would threaten the pack structure. So everybody of every class, be it alpha, omega or beta, plays their own role in the social hierarchy. Omegas have even been known to fight their way up the ranks.

EDIT: and one more thing that I left out. You can’t really help being an omega male. It’s something that you’re born into. In the same way how you’re born alpha. It’s something that is determined in your childhood. That’s what an Omega/Beta/Alpha is. Sure, it may be possible for an Omega to become a Beta provider, but you can’t go from being Omega to being Alpha. I’ve known of many guys who were Omega and tried to become Alpha/Chad by hitting the gym and focusing on their physical fitness, but even with their six packs and their muscular bodies on the inside they were still the same as they were before they got that gym membership; shy, socially awkward, introverted. The only attention they’d get from women was to simply be used (alpha women that is). The best you could go for as an Omega is to become a beta provider. That’s just how the hierarchy works.

I’m not shitting on betas/omegas/incels/introverts/loners/wwhatever, but that’s just how it is.
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I don't think the A/B/O distinction/meme provides much in the way of a coherent guide to social organisation on this issue. Generally most incels tend to fall into two camps: a) autists, or b) the unsocialised. The autists likely do form on the errant side of your dilemma; they are unattractive owing, typically, to a difficulty or inability to experience empathy and form meaningful, fulfilling, and stable relations with others. Although the heritability of autism isn't likely that high (the most viable models I've encountered have it as a function of in-utero testosterone exposure rather than genetics), it does preclude all but the most high-functioning and self-aware ones from really having any chance of getting a partner even in a society that heavily discourages hypergamy. The unsocialised I'm not so sure about; their unattractiveness largely owes itself to social contigencies. Raised in broken homes and having suffered abuse or neglect, their nature is something that may be treat or possibly reversed - although that may be difficult, since it is true that most crucial development for a sound empathic capability and theory of mind requires a nurturing familial environment. Still, it seems more viable to obtain partners for these people than those who have a hard-wired neurology.

And through rehabilitating the unsocialised incels, you could do a lot of work to perhaps improve the next generation. I'm inclined to think we should move to select for low time-preference and more systematically-inclined members of the population, especially considering the changing material conditions and the nature of the economic superstructure. I'm not a believer in human perfectibility or in sculpting societies to our choosing, but the myth that just because women select for gregarious extroverts that we should encourage these traits is one we should question. And if we find the answer to that question lacking, we should arrange our social institutions so as to reflect our broader goals of having the stablest, most prosperous, and noble society in the long-run.
 
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SigSauer said:
What I’m concerned about here is genetics. If you’re unattractive and you’re still managing to pick up all the good girls or if you just have shit genes and you somehow know how to find all the best pussy in town, then that’s a bad thing imo. Because you’re not spreading the best of genetics and you’re halting natural selection. I believe that the most attractive/intelligent/ should be selected to breed. I know of many incels who are intelligent or have a high iq, but are kinda geeks or loners.

Not everybody is meant for that. If you look at nature in particular wolves, you’ll notice that the Omega plays an important role in the pack structure. Note that I didn’t say beta, as incels aren’t betas. They help by allowing frustration to be vented out without actual acts of war breaking out, which would threaten the pack structure. So everybody of every class, be it alpha, omega or beta, plays their own role in the social hierarchy. Omegas have even been known to fight their way up the ranks.

EDIT: and one more thing that I left out. You can’t really help being an omega male. It’s something that you’re born into. In the same way how you’re born alpha. It’s something that is determined in your childhood. That’s what an Omega/Beta/Alpha is. Sure, it may be possible for an Omega to become a Beta provider, but you can’t go from being Omega to being Alpha. I’ve known of many guys who were Omega and tried to become Alpha/Chad by hitting the gym and focusing on their physical fitness, but even with their six packs and their muscular bodies on the inside they were still the same as they were before they got that gym membership; shy, socially awkward, introverted. The only attention they’d get from women was to simply be used (alpha women that is). The best you could go for as an Omega is to become a beta provider. That’s just how the hierarchy works.

I’m not shitting on betas/omegas/incels/introverts/loners/wwhatever, but that’s just how it is.
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Nigger, go back to masturbating over Brave New World.
 
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Incels arent even a real thing. They are just pussies who can’t get laid. Anyone who identifies as an incel is a lolcow
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Making it a central part of one's identity is retarded. Still, if you can rub two brain cells together you probably can think of reasons why there may be reasons why men who'd like a relationship but can't get one due to natural or social contingencies.

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Still even remotely caring about such nonsense may be part of the problem as to why you cannot get laid.
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You'll have to clarify what you meant by nonsense, there, you pruned too much out in the quote.
 
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I don't think the A/B/O distinction/meme provides much in the way of a coherent guide to social organisation on this issue. Generally most incels tend to fall into two camps: a) autists, or b) the unsocialised. The autists likely do form on the errant side of your dilemma; they are unattractive owing, typically, to a difficulty or inability to experience empathy and form meaningful, fulfilling, and stable relations with others. Although the heritability of autism isn't likely that high (the most viable models I've encountered have it as a function of in-utero testosterone exposure rather than genetics), it does preclude all but the most high-functioning and self-aware ones from really having any chance of getting a partner even in a society that heavily discourages hypergamy. The unsocialised I'm not so sure about; their unattractiveness largely owes itself to social contigencies. Raised in broken homes and having suffered abuse or neglect, their nature is something that may be treat or possibly reversed - although that may be difficult, since it is true that most crucial development for a sound empathic capability and theory of mind requires a nurturing familial environment. Still, it seems more viable to obtain partners for these people than those who have a hard-wired neurology.

And through rehabilitating the unsocialised incels, you could do a lot of work to perhaps improve the next generation. I'm inclined to think we should move to select for low time-preference and more systematically-inclined members of the population, especially considering the changing material conditions and the nature of the economic superstructure. I'm not a believer in human perfectibility or in sculpting societies to our choosing, but the myth that just because women select for gregarious extroverts that we should encourage these traits is one we should question. And if we find the answer to that question lacking, we should arrange our social institutions so as to reflect our broader goals of having the stablest, most prosperous, and noble society in the long-run.
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This could be true. But you’ve got to remember that there are two types of “cels”, voluntary and involuntary. Those who are voluntary are those who lack a sex drive (asexuals in other words). Involuntary celibates are those who have a sex drive but can’t fulfill their sexual desires because they’re what they call “loveshy” or unattractive or whatever. The point I was trying to make is that these people could be classified as “Omegas”.
 
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CatParty said:
Nope strictly an individual issue. Nothing to do with anyone else or outside factors.
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That's interesting. Are you making an empirical case or a philosophical argument there? The empirical argument being that natural and social contingencies play no role in shaping a person's personality to make them more or less capable of getting out there, and the philosophical argument being that such contingencies may play a role in their present situation but ultimately responsibility lies with the individual to improve themselves.
 
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Nope strictly an individual issue. Nothing to do with anyone else or outside factors.
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I do kinda wonder if they hit a point of no return though. You spend most of your life torturing yourself and mutilating your personality - where do you go from there? The first step towards progress at that point is to accept that you've been hurting yourself and stalling your life for no reason.

I noticed that most incels are remarkably immature & I bet it's because they keep making that first critical step in maturity (accepting responsibility for your actions) so fucking hard to climb. Somebody who's that stunted in their emotional growth basically has no chance at making it in this world imo.

idk sucks for them im gonna go hound some pussy
 
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In my eventful life, I've actually encountered the rare female incel.

The female incel is a bit different than the male variety and many may not regard them as incel at all because despite their toxic personality they sometimes can get laid and have relationships. These relationships tend to be very brief however, due to the fact that they treat their mate as a combination of personal servant/dildo/punching bag/waste container. However, if you by "incel" mean someone who is consumed by bitterness for not being in a relationship, then they definitely fit the mold. Their inceldom comes from the same source as with their male peers: a combination of shitty personality and studiply high standards

The girl that I'm thinking of was this very beautiful young lady I got to know in the mid-2000's, who looked like a curvier, brunette version of Marilyn Monroe. Her stunning good looks were always countered by her abrasive and abusive personality though, with her constantly being a drama queen, freeloading leech and wannabe boyfriend stealer. She would often hit on guys in the most unsubtle manner you can think of, like tactically "dropping" items of clothing and offering a quick flash.

She came to one of my parties, asked if the booze was free and then proceeded to get so loaded that she puked her guts out all over the bathroom.

She would always go from one set of friends to another, due to her wearing out her welcome by being a pest. She had about 2 short-term relationships that I know of and these were with faril, wimpy guys.

Nowadays, she's bitter, obese, dateless and looks like a lunch lady. She's also losing teeth due to her horrid eating habits (french fries + butterscotch sauce = YUM!). She works some kind of desk job in a care facility, I think. She also confirms the stereotype of a female incel blaming society for her shortcomings and becoming a a man-hating feminist, by the way she's constantly posting anti-Trump, feminist and SJW garbage on facebook.
 
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I do kinda wonder if they hit a point of no return though. You spend most of your life torturing yourself and mutilating your personality - where do you go from there? The first step towards progress at that point is to accept that you've been hurting yourself and stalling your life for no reason.

I noticed that most incels are remarkably immature & I bet it's because they keep making that first critical step in maturity (accepting responsibility for your actions) so fucking hard to climb. Somebody who's that stunted in their emotional growth basically has no chance at making it in this world imo.

idk sucks for them im gonna go hound some pussy
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To add to this, most incels never learn the golden rule of dont try to date people you see everyday unless you can handle it
 
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Big Nasty said:
The female incel is a bit different than the male variety and many may not regard them as incel at all because despite their toxic personality they sometimes can get laid and have relationships.
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All incels have shit personalities.

Sorry to incel morons, but even the ugliest, grossest, nastiest-ass people can get laid. If you can't get laid, it's your own fault. You are not an incel. You are a volcel lying to yourself.

I've known utterly ugly ass fucking people of both sexes who got laid all the time just by lowering their standards. I knew a fat Jew who barely ever bathed who got laid nearly every night. What did he do? He just went out to bars and drank and bought drinks for chicks and hit on every single fucking female he encountered and got shot down 90% of the time because holy fuck he was ugly and smelly.

The other 10% of the time he got laid though. It was seriously that simple.
 
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AnOminous said:
All incels have shit personalities.

Sorry to incel morons, but even the ugliest, grossest, nastiest-ass people can get laid. If you can't get laid, it's your own fault. You are not an incel. You are a volcel lying to yourself.

I've known utterly ugly ass fucking people of both sexes who got laid all the time just by lowering their standards. I knew a fat Jew who barely ever bathed who got laid nearly every night. What did he do? He just went out to bars and drank and bought drinks for chicks and hit on every single fucking female he encountered and got shot down 90% of the time because holy fuck he was ugly and smelly.

The other 10% of the time he got laid though. It was seriously that simple.
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how do you know he didnt just pay some prostitutes?
 
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