Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

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It's a shame this person didn't call people who disagree with them "fake geek boys", because then this post would have used every single cliche that exists for posts like this.
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This person is acting the same as MovieBob. Like MovieBob, he either did not fully watched those said films or completely misses the point of those films.
 
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millais said:
All of those comparisons are spurious at best, but let's keep the discussion to Star Wars.

How is Episode VI even remotely related to the Vietnam War? I was struggling to see it until I put on the "please be patient, i have autism" hat, which revealed this stunning insight: the Ewoks defeat the Imperial forces in the jungle despite a technological disadvantage. Vietnam War in a microcosm, very deep, really activates the almonds.

Truly, it takes a simpleton of the highest order to turn that absurdly tangential comparison into "Episode VI has a strong anti-Vietnam War theme"
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I mean George was tapped to direct Apocalypse Now back in the early 70s when it was gonna be a Docudrama filmed in California, but this shit is exceptional as fuck.
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I think it is also on record that George Lucas said the Battle of Endor was meant to be an allegory to the Vietnam War.
 
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The Nothingness said:
I think it is also on record that George Lucas said the Battle of Endor was meant to be an allegory to the Vietnam War.
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Yes, it is legit that Lucas was a hippie. Original SW was supposed to be evocative of vietnam but nobody saw it or cared at the time. So in RotJ Lucas worked harder to make sure the allegory was more blatant with the ewoks and fought with the writer (i think, maybe director) over whether they should be in the movie. At the time the other guy wanted the ewoks dropped to allow more time to focus on Luke and that drama.
 
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Flexo said:
Yes, it is legit that Lucas was a hippie. Original SW was supposed to be evocative of vietnam but nobody saw it or cared at the time. So in RotJ Lucas worked harder to make sure the allegory was more blatant with the ewoks and fought with the writer (i think, maybe director) over whether they should be in the movie. At the time the other guy wanted the ewoks dropped to allow more time to focus on Luke and that drama.
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The way I understand it, the original plan was not to have the last act take place on Endor but on the Wookiee homeworld, with the enslaved Wookiees rising up to help overthrow the Empire. But since the Wookiees were technically adept, Lucas changed it to have a more obviously primitive culture, highlighting the Viet Cong parallels.

... of course, the Wookiee stand-ins just happened to be immensely more marketable as teddy bears and kid-friendly t-shirts and toys and god knows what else. No matter how much of a hippie Lucas might think himself to be, what he really is is a capitalist whore. (And God bless him for it.)
 
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Mola Ram said:
The way I understand it, the original plan was not to have the last act take place on Endor but on the Wookiee homeworld, with the enslaved Wookiees rising up to help overthrow the Empire. But since the Wookiees were technically adept, Lucas changed it to have a more obviously primitive culture, highlighting the Viet Cong parallels.

... of course, the Wookiee stand-ins just happened to be immensely more marketable as teddy bears and kid-friendly t-shirts and toys and god knows what else. No matter how much of a hippie Lucas might think himself to be, what he really is is a capitalist whore. (And God bless him for it.)
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Some early drafts had the conflict taking place over coruscant with 2 death stars. They were going to commandeer 1 and blow up the planet.

http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/draft-variations-for-return-of-the-jedi/

https://sfdebris.com/videos/special/shadowsjourney.php
 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/8oidzx/is_solos_failure_empowering_the_alt_right/

http://archive.is/Xnxku

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millais said:
All of those comparisons are spurious at best, but let's keep the discussion to Star Wars.

How is Episode VI even remotely related to the Vietnam War? I was struggling to see it until I put on the "please be patient, i have autism" hat, which revealed this stunning insight: the Ewoks defeat the Imperial forces in the jungle despite a technological disadvantage. Vietnam War in a microcosm, very deep, really activates the almonds.

Truly, it takes a simpleton of the highest order to turn that absurdly tangential comparison into "Episode VI has a strong anti-Vietnam War theme"
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I never really understood the Vietnam War comparisons either. The Vietcong had guns, vehicles, and supply lines that kept them going for years. While the US still had a technological advantage, the Vietcong were still within the ballpark.

By contrast, the Ewoks had some dumbass spears, bows & arrows, and rocks against the Emperor's "best legion of troops" that had armor, laser weapons, and heavily armed walkers. The Ewoks should've been utterly annihilated, and the fact that they won in spite of being so hilariously outclassed had forever painted the stormtroopers as complete jokes.

Really, the Vietnam War and the Battle of Endor are night and day.
 
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Vault Boy said:
I never really understood the Vietnam War comparisons either. The Vietcong had guns, vehicles, and supply lines that kept them going for years. While the US still had a technological advantage, the Vietcong were still within the ballpark.

By contrast, the Ewoks had some dumbass spears, bows & arrows, and rocks against the Emperor's "best legion of troops" that had armor, laser weapons, and heavily armed walkers. The Ewoks should've been utterly annihilated, and the fact that they won in spite of being so hilariously outclassed had forever painted the stormtroopers as complete jokes.

Really, the Vietnam War and the Battle of Endor are night and day.
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Now think of it like a half-stoned hippie who barely has any sense of reality and you'll get it.

Hollywood has always been feelz over realz.
 
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Maybe the people involved with the franchise are taking this opportunity, during the harrowing failure of Solo, to reevaluate things. Maybe they'll look inward and ask how they lost touch with the general public, why TLJ and Solo have lost ground so soon after their releases. Like here's Chuck Wendig, Lucasfilm mainstay and author of Star Wars tie-ins.

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Toxic masculinity and "um ACKSHUALLY it is a box office success!" I see the shills sarcastically saying "Yeah, Solo is a failure because it made 'only' 100 million opening weekend, hurr hurr".
 
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Commander X said:
Maybe the people involved with the franchise are taking this opportunity, during the harrowing failure of Solo, to reevaluate things. Maybe they'll look inward and ask how they lost touch with the general public, why TLJ and Solo are losing ground. Like here's Chuck Wendig, Lucasfilm mainstay and author of Star Wars tie-ins.

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I'm only now becoming acquainted with Wendig, but coincidentally I came across a piece he wrote for National Novel Writing Month on a writer's website I sometimes visit and he's consistently a foul mouthed jerk with a chip on his shoulder and a hyperinflated sense of his own abilities. Perfect spokesman for Disney Star Wars, really.
 
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This is a good point:

Kathleen Kennedy has had a terrible relationship with directors. She's the coach of the team, but she keeps hiring quarterbacks, only to later fire them, sometimes in the game's third quarter.

She famously fired Lord and Miller from Soylo when she found out they were doing a lot of improv and making the film more of a comedy than intended; but she fired them 70% -85% of the way through filming.

What took her so long to realize what was going on on the movie she had ultimate authority over?

She put Rogue One's director on the sidelines and brought in a last-minute replacement/fixer.

She hired Colin Trevorrow to direct Episode IX, then fired him over "creative differences."

This doesn't even include her hiring of Josh Trank, and his (of course) subsequent firing. I give her a pass on that one, because everyone walked away from him after Fan4stick 4.

Why is Kathleen Kennedy always at odds with her directors? Why can't she figure out earlier in the process if they're on the same page as far as their vision for the film?

To repurpose that old dark joke about orphans: To lose one director is a tragedy. To lose four directors begins to seem like carelessness.
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Kari Kamiya said:
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My sides are in fucking orbit. :story::story::story::story:
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Did the Galactic Civil War really matter in the grand scheme of things? It was established that what made the Empire lose on Endor was the loss of their Emperor and Lord Vader making them disorganized. The whole conflict was just another proxy war for two religious sects descended from the Je'daii. Palpatine could've personally executed everyone on that planet had it came to that. The sequel trilogy doesn't really change anything as we've pointed out that the remnants still dominate.

Vader was completely serious when he said the Death Star was nothing compared to the Dark Side. A war of men doesn't seem like it'd factor much when we include cosmic forces that'll determine the fate of the universe.
 
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Mola Ram said:
I'm only now becoming acquainted with Wendig, but coincidentally I came across a piece he wrote for National Novel Writing Month on a writer's website I sometimes visit and he's consistently a foul mouthed jerk with a chip on his shoulder and a hyperinflated sense of his own abilities. Perfect spokesman for Disney Star Wars, really.
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Hey, if Paul Feig has taught us anything, it's doubling down and attaching your name to a sinking ship is the way to go.
After all, he's going to direct the movie Play-Doh :story:
 
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