Gay Cakes case decided in favor of baker, 7-2

Should be good for some salt since it's gay pride month or whatever.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...es-against-gay-wedding-exemptions/1052989001/

A 7-2 decision, sotomayor and Ginsberg dissenting. Multiple concurrences, with the majority opinion written by Kennedy.

For extra fun observe how the news media attempts to describe a 7-2 case as a "narrow decision" and attempts to marginalize a case that has been a running joke on both sides of the political spectrum for years. It is narrow in the sense it does not allow for discrimination and murder of gays, but to suggest the ruling was particularly contentious would be dishonest, and common sense prevailed in this case. While technically true I believe most people would consider a 5-4 narrow, not a 7-2. The Supremes very rarely make any decisions that would not be "narrow" by USAtoday's definition.

The baker did not refuse service and offered to sell them many other products, but he would not make a gay marriage cake.

Link to the supreme court website to download the decision (the majority and minority decisions are the first and last few pages and are worth reading).

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-111_j4el.pdf

 

[FightenGnome]

WE'RE BREAKING THE CONDITIONING!!!!!

 

[ThunderPlunder]

People are missing the point. This isn't about cakes or gays, this is about slavery. Forcing a private business owner to do something at gunpoint is fucking slavery, whether he's getting paid or not.

This is one of the few instances in which I am in favor of AnCap ideals. "Oh, the business won't do what you want them to? How about taking your faggot ass down to their competition who I'm sure would be happy to do it for you."

But no, instead these turd burgling booty bandits wish to have their sense of self validated by forcing a private business to do their bidding simply because the business hurt their fifis

 

[TenMilesWide]

The free market really is the best way to solve this issue. If you dislike the baker who denied you your faggot cake enough to sue, why do you want him specifically to make your faggot cake?

Boggles the mind.

 

[ObeseScreamingBlackMan]

I'm still allowed to think that this guy is a tool and that's a bad way to go about business, right?

Yes.

And the traditional way of dealing with a tool running a shitty business is by telling all your fam/friends/social media contacts (and maybe even any old media people who want to hear your story) about it so that word eventually spreads around and Mr. Exceptional goes out of business.

Not shitty lawsuits trying to stamp out Mr. Exceptional’s basic civil rights.

 

[Shokew]

Just here to say that baker did nothing wrong. In fact, he did more stuff right by offering alternatives or addresses to other places willing to make their gay love cake. This should not even have become a big deal, knowing these details, best of all.

 

[Menhera-Chan]

How many hundreds of thousands of gays were literally just murdered by this decision?

Not enough

 

[Iamthatis]

Well played Alt-right you one this one. Just remember, in your celebrations you show your true nature. Never count your money at the table.

 

[Cherie Bomb]

It's interesting to note that a similar case in Northern Ireland ruled in favor of the gay customer who sued upon refusal of service and against the Christian baker who would not make a cake to celebrate an International Day Against Homophobia.

The Belfast baker, whose bakery was funded by The Christian Institute, was fined £500 for refusing to make a cake with the message "Support Gay Marriage". When the baker appealed the ruling claiming his free speech had been violated and perverted into forced speech, the appeals court upheld the decision, further determining that a business must provide goods at the request of a client regardless of the business' philosophical or religious beliefs.

Currently, the case of Lee v. Ashers Baking Company is headed to the Supreme Court late this year or early next year. It's worth following because unlike in the United States, gay marriage is still illegal in Northern Ireland (though civil unions are legal since 2005). The Northern Irish Health Minister has declared the children of same-sex couples are more likely to be victims of abuse and neglect in an attempt to discourage adoption by homosexuals (who can legally adopt whether in a legally recognized partnership or not since 2013).

In Northern Ireland, there is no separation of religion and politics. Many politicians have close relationships with either the Catholic or Protestant Church. Despite this, religious beliefs aren't allowed to dictate the law. For example, sodomy has been decriminalized since 1980 and completely legal since 1982 despite a declaration of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ireland that stated sodomy is a sin.

Meanwhile, sodomy and oral sex are still illegal in many states throughout America. Despite a Supreme Court ruling in 2003, the state laws are still on the books (13 against anal, 18 against oral) because homosexual sex was likened to bestiality and lumped in with laws against bestiality, which remains illegal. Sodomy was still considered a felony in every state in 1963, just as it was being decriminalized in England and Wales.

It's safe to say that America is more intolerant towards homosexuals than Northern Ireland, which is known for it's high rate of bullying against gays, depression among gays, and suicide attempts by gays in comparison with the rest of the U.K. (which overturned discriminatory laws much earlier). American Christian Fundamentalism is just as dangerous as Radical Islam, and its the fundies who are in control of the current political climate in America under the guise of "religious freedom". Both movements seek to undermine democracy.

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

It's interesting to note that a similar case in Northern Ireland ruled in favor of the gay customer who sued upon refusal of service and against the Christian baker who would not make a cake to celebrate an International Day Against Homophobia.

The Belfast baker, whose bakery was funded by The Christian Institute, was fined £500 for refusing to make a cake with the message "Support Gay Marriage". When the baker appealed the ruling claiming his free speech had been violated and perverted into forced speech, the appeals court upheld the decision, further determining that a business must provide goods at the request of a client regardless of the business' philosophical or religious beliefs.

Currently, the case of Lee v. Ashers Baking Company is headed to the Supreme Court late this year or early next year. It's worth following because unlike in the United States, gay marriage is still illegal in Northern Ireland (though civil unions are legal since 2005). The Northern Irish Health Minister has declared the children of same-sex couples are more likely to be victims of abuse and neglect in an attempt to discourage adoption by homosexuals (who can legally adopt whether in a legally recognized partnership or not since 2013).

In Northern Ireland, there is no separation of religion and politics. Many politicians have close relationships with either the Catholic or Protestant Church. Despite this, religious beliefs aren't allowed to dictate the law. For example, sodomy has been decriminalized since 1980 and completely legal since 1982 despite a declaration of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ireland that stated sodomy is a sin.

Meanwhile, sodomy and oral sex are still illegal in many states throughout America. Despite a Supreme Court ruling in 2003, the state laws are still on the books (13 against anal, 18 against oral) because homosexual sex was likened to bestiality and lumped in with laws against bestiality, which remains illegal. Sodomy was still considered a felony in every state in 1963, just as it was being decriminalized in England and Wales.

It's safe to say that America is more intolerant towards homosexuals than Northern Ireland, which is known for it's high rate of bullying against gays, depression among gays, and suicide attempts by gays in comparison with the rest of the U.K. (which overturned discriminatory laws much earlier). American Christian Fundamentalism is just as dangerous as Radical Islam, and its the fundies who are in control of the current political climate in America under the guise of "religious freedom". Both movements seek to undermine democracy.

lol calm down

 

[PyrrhicRustle]

Well played Alt-right you one this one. Just remember, in your celebrations you show your true nature. Never count your money at the table.

Those darn alt-right nazis on the supreme court.

 

[trueandhonestfan]

People are missing the point. This isn't about cakes or gays, this is about slavery. Forcing a private business owner to do something at gunpoint is fucking slavery, whether he's getting paid or not.

You can say it would be infringing on his rights, but it's nowhere near slavery. The issue here is that the person is religious and believes that marriage should be between a man and woman so they wouldn't make a gay marriage cake. While I don't necessarily agree with that, I respect that he didn't kick them and call them fags or harass them. He just wasn't going to make them a wedding cake supporting gay marriage. Punishing him for practicing his right to freedom of religion would be some Canada level bullshit.

 

[Shugo]

Meanwhile, sodomy and oral sex are still illegal in many states throughout America. Despite a Supreme Court ruling in 2003, the state laws are still on the books

Learn a little bit more about American law and you'd know if anyone were ever prosecuted for sodomy the case and law would be thrown out in an instant due to the Supreme Court precedent.

American Christian Fundamentalism is just as dangerous as Radical Islam, and its the fundies

I forget, which religiously-influenced law demands the death penalty for gays? And which actually carries out legal punishments for gays, usually the death penalty?

 

[He Who Points And Laughs]

It's interesting to note that a similar case in Northern Ireland ruled in favor of the gay customer who sued upon refusal of service and against the Christian baker who would not make a cake to celebrate an International Day Against Homophobia.

The Belfast baker, whose bakery was funded by The Christian Institute, was fined £500 for refusing to make a cake with the message "Support Gay Marriage". When the baker appealed the ruling claiming his free speech had been violated and perverted into forced speech, the appeals court upheld the decision, further determining that a business must provide goods at the request of a client regardless of the business' philosophical or religious beliefs.

Currently, the case of Lee v. Ashers Baking Company is headed to the Supreme Court late this year or early next year. It's worth following because unlike in the United States, gay marriage is still illegal in Northern Ireland (though civil unions are legal since 2005). The Northern Irish Health Minister has declared the children of same-sex couples are more likely to be victims of abuse and neglect in an attempt to discourage adoption by homosexuals (who can legally adopt whether in a legally recognized partnership or not since 2013).

In Northern Ireland, there is no separation of religion and politics. Many politicians have close relationships with either the Catholic or Protestant Church. Despite this, religious beliefs aren't allowed to dictate the law. For example, sodomy has been decriminalized since 1980 and completely legal since 1982 despite a declaration of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ireland that stated sodomy is a sin.

Meanwhile, sodomy and oral sex are still illegal in many states throughout America. Despite a Supreme Court ruling in 2003, the state laws are still on the books (13 against anal, 18 against oral) because homosexual sex was likened to bestiality and lumped in with laws against bestiality, which remains illegal. Sodomy was still considered a felony in every state in 1963, just as it was being decriminalized in England and Wales.

It's safe to say that America is more intolerant towards homosexuals than Northern Ireland, which is known for it's high rate of bullying against gays, depression among gays, and suicide attempts by gays in comparison with the rest of the U.K. (which overturned discriminatory laws much earlier). American Christian Fundamentalism is just as dangerous as Radical Islam, and its the fundies who are in control of the current political climate in America under the guise of "religious freedom". Both movements seek to undermine democracy.

No, it's that the USA has a constitution, and the first amendment guarantees free speech, freedom of association, a free press, and the freedom to exercise one's religion. The UK, which Northern Ireland is part of, have arrested and convicted Count Dankula for mocking Nazis in a YouTube video, and locked up Tommy Robinson for live streaming on a public street.

 

[76LD910]

It's interesting to note .....

No it isn't.

 

[Marvin]

Meanwhile, sodomy and oral sex are still illegal in many states throughout America. Despite a Supreme Court ruling in 2003, the state laws are still on the books (13 against anal, 18 against oral) because homosexual sex was likened to bestiality and lumped in with laws against bestiality, which remains illegal.

The supreme court ruling means the opposite of "still on the books". The legal system in the US is nuanced enough so that parts of laws can be struck down while other parts remain in force.

It would be illegal for an officer to arrest someone for consensual, non-commercial, human-human sodomy in the United States.

American Christian Fundamentalism is just as dangerous as Radical Islam

By the numbers? Not remotely.

 

[Cherie Bomb]

lol calm down

Yeah, I know I did a lot of :autism: research to come up with my hypothesis. I wouldn't care if this was truly a victory for freedom of speech as opposed to freedom of religion. However, one commissioner is quoted in Kennedy's ruling as saying that, "freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history, whether it be slavery, whether it be the Holocaust.” I think it's really important to look at what has happened historically throughout the world so that the United States doesn't repeat the same mistakes.

Learn a little bit more about American law and you'd know if anyone were ever prosecuted for sodomy the case and law would be thrown out in an instant due to the Supreme Court precedent.

I forget, which religiously-influenced law demands the death penalty for gays? And which actually carries out legal punishments for gays, usually the death penalty?

That is true. As an American educated to perform my civil duty, I'm aware that state laws are unenforceable once they're thrown out by the Supreme Court. But why not throw the remaining laws out, as Virginia chose to do in 2013? The law is still being used to harass gay men in Lousiana today. Things are getting worse, and IMO people aren't doing enough to speak out against it and prevent things from getting violent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...e-still-enforcing-its-anti-sodomy-law/312798/

No, it's that the USA has a constitution, and the first amendment guarantees free speech, freedom of association, a free press, and the freedom to exercise one's religion. The UK, which Northern Ireland is part of, have arrested and convicted Count Dankula for mocking Nazis in a YouTube video, and locked up Tommy Robinson for live streaming on a public street.

It's true that hate speech is protected in America. And while I disagree with what happened to Count Dankula and Tommy Robinson, I understand why the U.K. doesn't include hate speech in their freedom of speech. Consider that Britain was nearly destroyed by Nazi bombs during WWII. We never had to deal with the possibility of being bombed to shit by Nazis overnight in the States.

 

[Marvin]

That is true. As an American educated to perform my civil duty, I'm aware that state laws are unenforceable once they're thrown out by the Supreme Court. But why not throw the remaining laws out, as Virginia chose to do in 2013? The law is still being used to harass gay men in Lousiana today. Things are getting worse, and IMO people aren't doing enough to speak out against it and prevent things from getting violent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...e-still-enforcing-its-anti-sodomy-law/312798/

There are other parts of anti-sodomy laws that the state still has a legitimate interest in enforcing.

What's happening to these men is illegal and a civil rights violation and the state should be sued for it.

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

Yeah, I know I did a lot of :autism: research to come up with my hypothesis. I wouldn't care if this was truly a victory for freedom of speech as opposed to freedom of religion. However, one commissioner is quoted in Kennedy's ruling as saying that, "freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history, whether it be slavery, whether it be the Holocaust.” I think it's really important to look at what has happened historically throughout the world so that the United States doesn't repeat the same mistakes.



That is true. As an American educated to perform my civil duty, I'm aware that state laws are unenforceable once they're thrown out by the Supreme Court. But why not throw the remaining laws out, as Virginia chose to do in 2013? The law is still being used to harass gay men in Lousiana today. Things are getting worse, and IMO people aren't doing enough to speak out against it and prevent things from getting violent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...e-still-enforcing-its-anti-sodomy-law/312798/



It's true that hate speech is protected in America. And while I disagree with what happened to Count Dankula and Tommy Robinson, I understand why the U.K. doesn't include hate speech in their freedom of speech. Consider that Britain was nearly destroyed by Nazi bombs during WWII. We never had to deal with the possibility of being bombed to shit by Nazis overnight in the States.

You see, you typed out a lot, but all I read was, "I'm a buttblasted faggot." This case was about a man having the right to refuse to decorate a cake in a way that was contrary to his personal beliefs. Calm your tits.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Yeah, I know I did a lot of :autism: research to come up with my hypothesis. I wouldn't care if this was truly a victory for freedom of speech as opposed to freedom of religion. However, one commissioner is quoted in Kennedy's ruling as saying that, "freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history, whether it be slavery, whether it be the Holocaust.” I think it's really important to look at what has happened historically throughout the world so that the United States doesn't repeat the same mistakes.



That is true. As an American educated to perform my civil duty, I'm aware that state laws are unenforceable once they're thrown out by the Supreme Court. But why not throw the remaining laws out, as Virginia chose to do in 2013? The law is still being used to harass gay men in Lousiana today. Things are getting worse, and IMO people aren't doing enough to speak out against it and prevent things from getting violent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...e-still-enforcing-its-anti-sodomy-law/312798/



It's true that hate speech is protected in America. And while I disagree with what happened to Count Dankula and Tommy Robinson, I understand why the U.K. doesn't include hate speech in their freedom of speech. Consider that Britain was nearly destroyed by Nazi bombs during WWII. We never had to deal with the possibility of being bombed to shit by Nazis overnight in the States.

You askin' for a threadin'?

 

[Some JERK]

We never had to deal with the possibility of being bombed to shit by Nazis overnight in the States.

This is true. We were far more concerned about being bombed by the Japanese. Again.