Gay Cakes case decided in favor of baker, 7-2

Should be good for some salt since it's gay pride month or whatever.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...es-against-gay-wedding-exemptions/1052989001/

A 7-2 decision, sotomayor and Ginsberg dissenting. Multiple concurrences, with the majority opinion written by Kennedy.

For extra fun observe how the news media attempts to describe a 7-2 case as a "narrow decision" and attempts to marginalize a case that has been a running joke on both sides of the political spectrum for years. It is narrow in the sense it does not allow for discrimination and murder of gays, but to suggest the ruling was particularly contentious would be dishonest, and common sense prevailed in this case. While technically true I believe most people would consider a 5-4 narrow, not a 7-2. The Supremes very rarely make any decisions that would not be "narrow" by USAtoday's definition.

The baker did not refuse service and offered to sell them many other products, but he would not make a gay marriage cake.

Link to the supreme court website to download the decision (the majority and minority decisions are the first and last few pages and are worth reading).

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-111_j4el.pdf
 
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This comment on Reddit neatly summarizes the case, if anyone's interested.

I see tons of misinformation here. Comparing this to any business refusing to serve gay people. That is NOT what this ruling was about. Please read the opinion of the court. Mainly two points of contention are addressed:

\1. Are the cakes Phillips makes, considered expressive works protected by the 1st Amendment and he has a right to refuse to make an "expressive message" based on his religion?
  • TLDR: In this very specific instance, yes they can be. (Justice Thomas does an excellent job explaining why) This was not just some guy saying "I don't like gays and won't serve them".
\2. Was the Colorado Commission biased and not objective and neutral towards his religion on their forcing of him to make the cake?
  • TLDR: Yes (Read Justice Kennedy's "II B")
Key parts in the ruling:
  • The case presents difficult questions as to the proper reconciliation of at least two principles. The first is the authority of a State and its governmental entities to protect the rights and dignity of gay persons who are, or wish to be, married but who face discrimination when they seek goods or services. The second is the right of all persons to exercise fundamental freedoms under the First Amend-ment, as applied to the States through the Fourteenth Amendment.

  • Still, the delicate question of when the free exercise of his religion must yield to an otherwise valid exercise of state power needed to be determined in an adjudication in which religious hostility on the part of the State itself would not be a factor in thebalance the State sought to reach. That requirement,however, was not met here. When the Colorado Civil Rights Commission considered this case, it did not do so with the religious neutrality that the Constitution requires. Given all these considerations, it is proper to hold that whatever the outcome of some future controversy involving facts similar to these, the Commission’s actions here violated the Free Exercise Clause; and its order must be set aside.

  • And there are no doubt innumerable goods and services that no one could argue implicate the First Amendment. Petitioners conceded, moreover, that if a baker refused to sell any goods or any cakes for gay weddings, that would be a different matter and the State would have a strong case under this Court’s precedents that this would be a denial of goods and services that went beyond any protected rights of a baker who offers goods and services to the general public and is subject to a neutrally applied and generally applicable public accommodations law. Phillips claims, however, that a narrower issue is presented. He argues that he had to use his artistic skills to make an expressive statement, a wedding endorsement in his own voice and of his own creation. As Phillips would see the case, this contention has a significant First Amendment speech component and implicates his deep and sincere religious beliefs. In this context the baker likely found it difficult to find a line where the customers’ rights to goods and services became a demand for him to exercise the right of his own personal expression for their message, a message he could not express in a way consistent with his religious beliefs.

  • ...there is some force to the argument that the baker was not unreasonable in deeming it lawful to decline to take an action that he understood to be an expression of support for their validity when that expression was contrary to his sincerely held religious beliefs, at least insofar as his refusal was limited to refusing to create and express a message in support of gay marriage, even one planned to take place in another State.

  • Forcing Phillips to make custom wedding cakes for same-sex marriages requires him to, at the very least, acknowledge that samesex weddings are “weddings” and suggest that they should be celebrated—the precise message he believes his faith forbids. The First Amendment prohibits Colorado from requiring Phillips to “bear witness to [these] fact,” Hurley, 515 U. S., at 574, or to “affir[m] . . . a belief with which [he] disagrees,” .....The Colorado Court of Appeals was wrong to conclude that Phillips’ conduct was not expressive
  • States cannot put individuals to the choice of “be[ing] compelled to affirm someone else’s belief ” or “be[ing] forced to speak when [they] would prefer to remain silent.”
  • As Justice Gorsuch explains, the Commission treated Phillips’ case differently from a simiilar case involving three other bakers, for reasons that can only be explained by hostility toward Phillips’ religion.
It was mainly about two things here, how the state selectively attacked the Baker's specific religion in their application of the law, and how a wedding cake can extend into protections of the first amendment as it constitutes art. The Baker was not refusing to sell any cake to the couple, just refusing to make a custom one specifically for a gay wedding that went against his religious beliefs.

I suggest you all read the " II B" section of the Opinion of the Court as well. Pretty blatant that the state was not objective and neutral in their application of the law
  • To describe a man’s faith as “one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use” is to disparage his religion in at least two distinct ways: by describing it as despicable, and also by characterizing it as merely rhetorical—something insubstantial and even insincere. The commissioner even went so far as to compare Phillips’ invocation of his sincerely held religious beliefs to defense of slavery and the Holocaust. This sentiment is inappropriate for a Commission charged with the solemn responsibility of fair and neutral enforcement of Colorado’s anti-discrimination law—a law that protects discrimination on the basis of religion as well as sexual orientation.

Definitely read the last part even if you don't read anything else:

I suggest you all read the " II B" section of the Opinion of the Court as well. Pretty blatant that the state was not objective and neutral in their application of the law
  • To describe a man’s faith as “one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use” is to disparage his religion in at least two distinct ways: by describing it as despicable, and also by characterizing it as merely rhetorical—something insubstantial and even insincere. The commissioner even went so far as to compare Phillips’ invocation of his sincerely held religious beliefs to defense of slavery and the Holocaust. This sentiment is inappropriate for a Commission charged with the solemn responsibility of fair and neutral enforcement of Colorado’s anti-discrimination law—a law that protects discrimination on the basis of religion as well as sexual orientation.
 
Shit, I never thought when I woke up this morning that it would be the day that the Supreme Court embraced Sharia law and mandated that gays be killed for the crime of being gay. Oh, they only said that you can't force someone to make a cake with a scene from Cum Sucking Boys Part 6 on it? Well, it's the same thing Rosa Parks apartheid Auschwitz Trail of Tears small pox blankets Conquistadors.

I didn't realize until today that this was basically a set up; I'd only heard things in passing and didn't care to learn about it, so I was under the impression that they'd asked for a normal cake and been turned down. Even then, I wondered why you wouldn't just go somewhere else and tell all your friends, gay or not, to spread the word about this guy. My thought was, ok, you forced him to make a cake against his will. Now you're serving something at your wedding that used salt instead of sugar or is filled with spit and piss.
 
Oh my goooooood, no one cares about how a religious business owner refused you service because you were pushing your gay agenda onto them -

Gays aren't fucking special.

They were denied service not because they were gay, but because they were "goddamn-you're-fucking-exceptional" faggots, who then acted like fucking cunts by trying to justify their action via "muh sexuality".

No normal gay couple would respond to a baker who said, "I'm sorry, but I don't do those sorts of wedding cakes" with suing them, they'd go to another damn bakery.
....Let alone ask them to stamp an ugly ass ":optimistic:I support gays!:optimistic:" on their wedding cake that's supposed to be lovely and memorable; did they want fucking rainbow colored icing, too? What self-respecting gay guy(s) would want to plaster his sexuality on something as special as a wedding cake?

Like holy shit, people aren't required to give you special treatment because you're gay, black, trans, white, male, female, etc so don't expect to get what you want with what you are.

That's just fucking shallow and narcissistic.
 
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Like I said, they would've got away with it had they not been so blatant about it. But that's socjus for you - there are no grey areas, only black and white, and they dumped the boiling-hot black paint on this guy and said it was his fault for not wanting white, and then were shocked that someone dared call that out as patently unfair.

Had they just said "personal religious beliefs do not rise to the level required to turn away service" the court may have found for them, but no, the "woke" had to just prove how woke they were and told him "YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN WHITE MALE! YOU LOSE ANY AND ALL RIGHT TO REDRESS DUE TO PRIVILEGE, AND ONLY IDIOTS BELIEVE IN SKY GODS!"

Had they thought that, but kept it quiet, they might have prevailed. But that wasn't too likely either. If nothing else, the Supremes could've cited the First Amendment as it applies to custom decorating cakes as an escape hatch to spare the commissioners the harsh rebuke they thoroughly earned, but the commission had to shoot it's mouth off, so the court felt obliged to stuff their feet right down their throats in return.
 
If you take the principle that Colorado tried to create and take it to its logical conclusion, a Jewish baker could be forced to make a cake with a Nazi swastika on it.

The political statement stuff interests me more than the religious stuff in some ways.

"I support gay marriage" is a political statement regardless of whether the couple ordering the cake is gay or straight. Is it OK for a printer who is pro-choice to refuse to print pro-life posters? What if that printer was weev and he was refusing to print BLM posters? Now what if it's Google or Twitter or youtube and they decide to disallow anything which can be construed as "political" speech on their platforms?
 
I find this whole thing funny as all hell but I'm glad of the result. Mostly because it sets a common sense precedent that all sorts of salty idiots will attempt to openly abuse, causing yet more division.
 
I might get jumped on for this, but: from what I gather, the term "narrow" was meant as far as the application of the case's precedent, not its vote.

The case's vote itself was about as narrow as Hillary's electoral vote deficit--Jeb's too.
 
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The pure fact that none of these bakers in the past took these lawsuit-seekers' money and made a shitty, undercooked cake for them really shows how dedicated they are to their faith and craft.
 
The political statement stuff interests me more than the religious stuff in some ways.

"I support gay marriage" is a political statement regardless of whether the couple ordering the cake is gay or straight. Is it OK for a printer who is pro-choice to refuse to print pro-life posters? What if that printer was weev and he was refusing to print BLM posters? Now what if it's Google or Twitter or youtube and they decide to disallow anything which can be construed as "political" speech on their platforms?
Political affiliation isn't a protected class. Except in California, but California is retarded.
 
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