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I wonder how they'd spin either option. Especially considering how Rian Johnson spent a whole movie shitting on the Jedi order and everything it stood for. Either way, it's gonna look clunky.

For the love of God can we not have Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy turned loose on the Old Republic? I'd rather not see Darth Nihilus tripping over his robes and smashing his mask into a frowny face, Carth Onasi flirting with T3-M4, Kreia telling Bastila Shan she don't need no man cuz she's a Stronk Womynn, or Jolee Bindo telling Sion that if he doesn't stop picking at that it ain't never gonna heal.

Maybe that last one would be ok, but fuck the rest of it!
 
For the love of God can we not have Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy turned loose on the Old Republic? I'd rather not see Darth Nihilus tripping over his robes and smashing his mask into a frowny face, Carth Onasi flirting with T3-M4, Kreia telling Bastila Shan she don't need no man cuz she's a Stronk Womynn, or Jolee Bindo telling Sion that if he doesn't stop picking at that it ain't never gonna heal.

Maybe that last one would be ok, but fuck the rest of it!

They'll make a movie about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis, and he'll be a fucking faggot.
 
They'll make a movie about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis, and he'll be a fucking faggot.

In all seriousness, I would actually be okay with this. The creation of a new form of life by a partnership of two men whose relationship is drenched with homoerotic subtext is a fine tradition in genre fiction, from Bride of Frankenstein to Re-Animator. You could make a hell of a story out of Plagueis and Sidious and their creation of Anakin.

But that would make the faggots bad guys, and heavens no, we can't have that.
 
A sure way to destroy a franchise is by insulting the people who care about it. The real test will be Episode 9. While everyone is fantasizing that Kathleen Kennedy is fired, I feel like its going to be Episode 9 that makes or breaks her. I still think Star Wars fans are too fucking stupid to not see it. You can excuse Solo because you know his most interesting stuff (The origonal trilogy and then dies in TFA). So nobody really cared. But Episode 9 is another story, that's a big tentpole and the final movie of this really fucking shitty trilogy. If it crashes, Kennedy is done. Also lol if they keep Rain Johnson around for another trilogy.
Well given the fact that she fired Colin Trevorrow over creative differences and JJ Abrams leading the ship, I believe we got ourselves another shitshow in the works.

And she has been quiet for the last few days about Solo's box office performance.
 
For the love of God can we not have Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy turned loose on the Old Republic? I'd rather not see Darth Nihilus tripping over his robes and smashing his mask into a frowny face, Carth Onasi flirting with T3-M4, Kreia telling Bastila Shan she don't need no man cuz she's a Stronk Womynn, or Jolee Bindo telling Sion that if he doesn't stop picking at that it ain't never gonna heal.

Maybe that last one would be ok, but fuck the rest of it!
I have mixed feelings on nu-canon tackling the Old Republic. We already have references to the Mandalorian Wars and even Revan. It'd also be really cool if they follow up on the "feudal Japan in space" theme that the era is implied to have looked like now. We could have Jedi and Sith in sci-fi samurai armor and wielding laser katana and other more Japanese-y weapons like naginata. Would stick out even more from the prequel and OT eras.

On the other hand....yeah, you pointed out a bunch of the issues. I also rather it be an RPG. Not to mention Revan is likely to be another British woman and probably an obnoxious lesbian.
 
I have mixed feelings on nu-canon tackling the Old Republic. We already have references to the Mandalorian Wars and even Revan. It'd also be really cool if they follow up on the "feudal Japan in space" theme that the era is implied to have looked like now. We could have Jedi and Sith in sci-fi samurai armor and wielding laser katana and other more Japanese-y weapons like naginata. Would stick out even more from the prequel and OT eras.

On the other hand....yeah, you pointed out a bunch of the issues. I also rather it be an RPG. Not to mention Revan is likely to be another British woman and probably an obnoxious lesbian.

That sounds amazing visually, but I don't know anything about The Old Republic -- just the old KOTOR games. Revan's story is great, but the twist isn't going to work in a non-videogame format, and these retards are bound to fuck it up anyway.
 
That sounds amazing visually, but I don't know anything about The Old Republic -- just the old KOTOR games. Revan's story is great, but the twist isn't going to work in a non-videogame format, and these exceptional individuals are bound to fuck it up anyway.
This is the current canon's take on Darth Bane if you want to know what that'd look like. He existed 1000 years before the OT and was the one who created the Rule of Two to correct the waning influence of the Sith in the last days of the Old Republic.

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This is the current canon's take on Darth Bane if you want to know what that'd look like. He existed 1000 years before the OT and was the one who created the Rule of Two to correct the waning influence of the Sith in the last days of the Old Republic.

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I know entirely too much about Darth Bane since I used to collect the d20 Star Wars RPG. Wasn't he the one with the armor made out of creepy living bugs? Now that I'd like to see, although it probably has too much of a Dune vibe.
 
I know entirely too much about Darth Bane since I used to collect the d20 Star Wars RPG. Wasn't he the one with the armor made out of creepy living bugs? Now that I'd like to see, although it probably has too much of a Dune vibe.
Yup. The samurai armor in the Clone Wars is kind of a plot hole in old canon since he never wore it in his novels but it's the only time we've seen him that's still in new canon and it fits with Rebels showing Old Republic sabers looked more like katana. I'm not sure who suggested it since they were going to do the bug suit originally.
 
When there's a popular backlash to a major Hollywood product, the managers at the top (and their hack in-house directors) come to a fork in the road. Will we rethink our approach to the material, or will we double down and attempt to manipulate the cultural environment to view our product more favorably? You'll notice that despite the latter approach ending horribly in nearly every case (*cough* Ghostbusters 2016 *cough*), it's the go-to move for our corporate overlords.

"Message discipline" has been the name of the game in the wake of Solo's disastrous opening. First, Lucasfilm called its pet film commentors, people like Breznican at Entertainment Weekly and the usual neckbeard geekbloggers and planted quotes suggesting that, really, Solo was an excellent movie hamstrung by a TOXIC ONLINE CULTURE OF CYNICISM and THE INEPTITUDE OF LORD AND MILLER who TRIED TO MAKE IT FUNNY.

And now, hack director Rian Johnson, creator of a forthcoming trilogy of his own, has begun snarkily posting passive-aggressive attacks on the TOXIC FANBASE:
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I haven't seen "manbaby" trotted out since this much since the wake of the lady Ghostbusters film.

All of this bodes well. As Paul Feig and the GB2016 disaster showed us, once the audience becomes the enemy many hilarious meltdowns surely follow. When Johnson's shitty new trilogy inevitably disappoints, I expect the gloves to finally come off. Johnson, the schlub, will show his fangs, and he'll go right for the jugular and saying anyone who didn't care for his films are "alt-right manbabies" and possibly "incels".

After all, this is exactly how they reacted when their last bold and subversive deconstructionist triumph The Last Jedi tanked at the box office and now you have people seriously saying that Solo did poorly because men who live in their parents' basements complained about female protagonists.
 
What a prick. I'm so tired of these fucking Hollywood shitheads that don't take responsibility for the shitty product they made. Fans are the lifesblood of these types of series. Yes, that even means the shitty autistic ones. Without them, there's no draw and there's no money. You piss them off and your ass is grass. But when smug Hollywood execs and writers openly taunt their audience with every intent to infuriate, no fucking wonder the finished product will tank. When you listen to your viewers and take in feedback productively, you'll have something more stable next go-around. You don't goddamn antagonize them.

Hollywood is exceptional as fuck.
 
After all, this is exactly how they reacted when their last bold and subversive deconstructionist triumph The Last Jedi tanked at the box office and now you have people seriously saying that Solo did poorly because men who live in their parents' basements complained about female protagonists.
That last part is what's the most nonsensical to me since it completely contradicts the narrative that the higher-ups are trying to push, namely that the fans who hate the sequel trilogy hate women and POCs. Except they released a movie ostensibly about a straight white man, and that one is doing worse than the ones with the empowered wymyn protagonist. If it were the reverse then they'd have a leg to stand on, but frankly the failure of Solo should be telling them this isn't the case.

And now, hack director Rian Johnson, creator of a forthcoming trilogy of his own, has begun snarkily posting passive-aggressive attacks on the TOXIC FANBASE:
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People joke about Star Wars fans being socially maladjusted nerds, and that is true to an extant, but at the same time Star Wars has one of the most "normal" fanbases out there.

Now hear me out, every fanbase has their toxic subsets, from Star Trek to Doctor Who, and Star Wars isn't an exception. However I hesitate to call those fans, especially the older ones who grew up in the 70s and 80s off the original trilogy, manbabies. I know more than a few lifelong Star Wars fanatics who are married and actually have kids of their own, and these people are pretty well off socially. They're about as far away from "manbabies" as can be.

Now I'm talking mostly from personal experience from the Star Wars fans in my life so I don't doubt there are the manbabies and autists, but it seems to me that, given how long Star Wars has existed as a brand and how many children of the 70s who grew up on it are now raising families, it seems particularly idiotic to try and insult them. We saw just a couple pages ago that some fans with kids are tired of Disney deliberately fucking with them.

I guess my overall point is don't insult and belittle the people who actually care about your product.
 
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When there's a popular backlash to a major Hollywood product, the managers at the top (and their hack in-house directors) come to a fork in the road. Will we rethink our approach to the material, or will we double down and attempt to manipulate the cultural environment to view our product more favorably? You'll notice that despite the latter approach ending horribly in nearly every case (*cough* Ghostbusters 2016 *cough*), it's the go-to move for our corporate overlords.

"Message discipline" has been the name of the game in the wake of Solo's disastrous opening. First, Lucasfilm called its pet film commentors, people like Breznican at Entertainment Weekly and the usual neckbeard geekbloggers and planted quotes suggesting that, really, Solo was an excellent movie hamstrung by a TOXIC ONLINE CULTURE OF CYNICISM and THE INEPTITUDE OF LORD AND MILLER who TRIED TO MAKE IT FUNNY.

And now, hack director Rian Johnson, creator of a forthcoming trilogy of his own, has begun snarkily posting passive-aggressive attacks on the TOXIC FANBASE:
y7sfaVI.png


I haven't seen "manbaby" trotted out since this much since the wake of the lady Ghostbusters film.

All of this bodes well. As Paul Feig and the GB2016 disaster showed us, once the audience becomes the enemy many hilarious meltdowns surely follow. When Johnson's shitty new trilogy inevitably disappoints, I expect the gloves to finally come off. Johnson, the schlub, will show his fangs, and he'll go right for the jugular and saying anyone who didn't care for his films are "alt-right manbabies" and possibly "incels".

After all, this is exactly how they reacted when their last bold and subversive deconstructionist triumph The Last Jedi tanked at the box office and now you have people seriously saying that Solo did poorly because men who live in their parents' basements complained about female protagonists.
Is Bob Iger aware of how hostile these people are being towards the fan base? Because if I were him, I would do something about it. I hope Rian Johnson’s next film bombs hard so it can be a karma revenge on him for fucking with the SW fans.
 

You'd think the higher ups of this world would be more concerned about their money making machines.
Sadly, this is the same in every big business, whether it be making cars, distributing food or setting up windmills, all the bigwigs care about is the board, the customer, the press and the occassional activist group that complains about inane problems.
Before long, they're wrapped up in a bureacratic machine of their own making and likely bending over for some faction or other, likely screwing everyone else.
They then proceed to lose all connection they may have had with their company and internal politics determine who gets to manage which division of the company, while the CEO remains stuck between his office and the board room.
 
Yup. The samurai armor in the Clone Wars is kind of a plot hole in old canon since he never wore it in his novels but it's the only time we've seen him that's still in new canon and it fits with Rebels showing Old Republic sabers looked more like katana. I'm not sure who suggested it since they were going to do the bug suit originally.

I like this idea, but the problem with it is the same as the problem with "they hired the Logan director for Boba Fett:" it's the people behind the scenes who are holding the reins and driving the carriage straight off the cliff. It doesn't matter how good the directors are if they get fired (or sidelined and locked out of the editing room, which is pretty much the same thing) unless the produce whatever focus-grouped turd Kathleen Kennedy and her gang of Fresh-Step-scented spinsters have pinched out.
 
For the love of God can we not have Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy turned loose on the Old Republic? I'd rather not see Darth Nihilus tripping over his robes and smashing his mask into a frowny face, Carth Onasi flirting with T3-M4, Kreia telling Bastila Shan she don't need no man cuz she's a Stronk Womynn, or Jolee Bindo telling Sion that if he doesn't stop picking at that it ain't never gonna heal.

Maybe that last one would be ok, but fuck the rest of it!
Ah, look at you, you silly old bean.

You expect them to not just kill off old established characters in indignified ways to replace them with poorly copy-pasted stand-ins that are covered in "progressive" bullshit :story:
And that is assuming they don't even just ignore the old established characters altogether.

Pff, call me "manbaby" all you want for not liking a poorly scripted mess of a movie.
It's not like I paid 4billion dollars for a franchise that's falling apart in less than half a decade.
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Yes, that even means the shitty autistic ones.
I would say especially the autistic ones are the backbone of a franchise.
They are the people that take care of stuff like the Wookiepedia, write theories about certain things, analyze it and so on, so that casual viewers can look it up and dive deeper into the franchise without much work.
Sure, these fans can be toxic as fuck (just look at Manga fans in Japan), but they are the people that keep this thing running in between releases.

So yeah, insulting them is a great way to kill your own franchise. Disney managed to have a Star Wars movie be a box office bomb and they still double down on this bullshit rhetoric of insulting those that should be their focus group.
You can't shame people into liking your movies. You can't shit on fans and expect them to never go "fuck this shit". Disney treats lifelong SW fans like crack addicts, not realizing how violently and quickly love can turn to hate.

I am enjoying every second of this.
I hope Rian Johnson’s next film bombs hard so it can be a karma revenge on him for fucking with the SW fans.
Can only speak for myself, but I am not going to watch a Rian Johnson movie anytime soon- based on how shitty TLJ was and how toxic that entitled asshat is on social media.

I hope the internet powers that be will manage to stick the name "Ruin Johnson" to him, just to fuck with him.
 
What a prick. I'm so tired of these fucking Hollywood shitheads that don't take responsibility for the shitty product they made. Fans are the lifesblood of these types of series. Yes, that even means the shitty autistic ones. Without them, there's no draw and there's no money. You piss them off and your ass is grass. But when smug Hollywood execs and writers openly taunt their audience with every intent to infuriate, no fucking wonder the finished product will tank. When you listen to your viewers and take in feedback productively, you'll have something more stable next go-around. You don't goddamn antagonize them.

Hollywood is exceptional as fuck.
But don't you get it? Hollywood doesn't need those damn dirty Alt Right manbabies as fans anymore! For every Straight White Male fan that leaves Disney will gain 2 Non White Women in their place. The Force is Female!
I really wish that was an exaggeration of what these morons think like. But it isn't.
Rule number 1 of any money making venture is lost on these reetards. Don't piss off the customer. Or at the very least don't piss off the customer on purpose.
 
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