Interests 6/22 - Chris at Too Many Games convention - Day 2 - Chris has a meltdown, kicked out of con for boundary issues, kissing attendees

[bigshot]

I'm don't mean to criticize someone for trying to help. That's a good thing. But there's a problem here. If you sit down and think about it and make a list of the things Chris *really* needs in the way of help, none of us are willing to do any of that. Chris needs in person full time attention. He needs someone who can put structure in his life and give him productive things to do. He needs to be pulled away from the internet and give him some real world social interaction. All of that takes a level of commitment none of us has the willingness or ability to provide.

So instead maybe we do the things to help that we want to do.... the question is, is that really helping him? Trolls like Hirtes don't go away by being attacked. They go away by being shut out or ignored. Chris should be off the internet, or at least have his interactions monitored closely by someone responsible for taking care of him. It isn't a good thing for Chris to go to conventions when he ends up in a fetal position on the ground because he's incapable of being a part of a normal social event without bothering people. He needs a wrangler, not a free ticket.

The problem here is similar to the dilemma faced by people who keep chimpanzees as a pet. It's great when they are babies and you can give them all your attention. But then they grow up and become aggressive and they aren't cute any more. But by raising them as a human baby, they can never be a regular chimp. Zoos won't take a humanized chimp. Nobody wants their neighbors to have their faces eaten. It doesn't end well for the chimp.

Chris was raised wrong. There's no changing that. The people who raised him are incapable of taking care of him any more. No one else in the family is willing to take over. None of us will commit to that. Half helping Chris only gets him in more trouble. Chris is unable to live a normal life. Bob and Barb should have realized that decades ago and put together plans for his future. They should have focused their energy on giving Chris some life skills so he could be semi self sufficient. They didn't do that. They pretended that he was fine and just kept a lid on him. There's no one willing to do that for him any more.

I think Chris is heading for the rocks. And sending him on outings to conventions won't help. Fighting his trolls won't help either. Chris may not get real help until Barb is gone and the whole thing has turned into one gigantic car crash. Then maybe the state will step in and give Chris what he really needs. I sure hope so, but it doesn't look terribly promising at this point.

 

[jace821]

it's time to put null in a nut house

 

[Cthulu]

it's time to put null in a nut house

Didn't vordy try that? Oh no he tried to have him arrested as a terrorist.

 

[Cthulu]

You're welcome!

It's always funny until someone gets a thread. Then they tard rage and blame null and the OP. We have threads on dozens of Chris alogs. Most think Chris should die or suffer. You're seriously wanting to wish harm on an autistic man-child who is probably incapable of learning. That makes me extemely curious about you and what you have to hide.

 

[RG 448]

Chris, on behalf of the entire Kiwi Farms, our thoughts, prayers, and unconditional support go out to you.

 

[trueandhonestfan]

So Megan and Snyder never existed? Remember when he tried to manipulate the Parappa the rapper contest and claimed that the winner did some shit that wasn't allowed just because he wanted to get laid by Megan? And of course macing the GameStop employee was just an accident.

Chris is not the dindu nuffin you claim he is.

I never claimed Chris is a dindu nuffin. I specifically complained several times about what Chris did at the convention, and I do think Chris is responsible for what he does wrong. Nowhere did I say the macing was an accident. I said I don't think he planned it, as in I doubt he went in with the intention of going in specifically to mace them. Chris isn't some pyscho who goes around harassing and assaulting people regularly, and that was my entire point.

Chris e-begging is

Look up Chris's wheeling and dealing. Then there's also his whole "We are starving and need money NOW NOW NOW" when he goes and spends that money on toys.

Yeah Chris' e-begging is shitty, but there are other cows ebegging, and lots of people who use PayPal donations and Patreon as a free source of income. Besides Chris is a terrible liar and nobody is convinced by his begging. We know he's just going to spend it on toys.

Now the wheeling and dealing this, isn't that a CWCism for switching the tags at thrift stores and/or reselling stuff at a profit? I do consider both of these to be shitty. I'm not saying Chris doesn't do shitty stuff. I'm just saying that Chris isn't as malicious as a lot of other cows. He's usually pretty harmless.

 

[Haramburger]

Besides Chris is a terrible liar and nobody is convinced by his begging. We know he's just going to spend it on toys.

There's something nice about knowing that he's going to buy something semi-permanent & appreciate it, and the strong chance that it'll end up fetishized and put up on a shelf for future pictures and streams. It's better than tipping a streamer $5 just to get a computerized shoutout or 10-sec youtube clip of choice aired on stream like a glorified meme jukebox.

 

[TL 611]

Poll now open

 

[Frogasm]

i'm pretty sure that if a healthcare professional ever did end out taking care of chris, they would be unable to report back here because of laws around protecting clients and patients. so it's best that no kiwi becomes chris' carer.

he does need one though. he has always needed one, really. when barb dies the best thing that can probably happen to him would be for him to be able to move into a group home where he can be supervised and get assistance with basic things that he is simply unable to do.

sometimes some disabled people are jerks. but they're still disabled, they're still people, and they still need some level of basic support because of it.

 

[Nacho Man Randy Salsa]

"We're just protecting Chris from the A-logs and the sick fucks that take advantage of an innocent tard guys!"

Whatever charity work is being done behind the scenes is ultimately being done for the forum's benefit whether it's higher quality content or just purging the forum of general shit. There is no such thing as true altruism.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Yeah Chris' e-begging is shitty, but there are other cows ebegging, and lots of people who use PayPal donations and Patreon as a free source of income. Besides Chris is a terrible liar and nobody is convinced by his begging. We know he's just going to spend it on toys.

Now the wheeling and dealing this, isn't that a CWCism for switching the tags at thrift stores and/or reselling stuff at a profit? I do consider both of these to be shitty. I'm not saying Chris doesn't do shitty stuff. I'm just saying that Chris isn't as malicious as a lot of other cows. He's usually pretty harmless.

Saying you need money for basic necessities and then going and spending that money on legos, video games and toys is definitely lying and unethical. Even if people know he's full of shit, it's still a shitty thing to do and is still lying. There's no beating around that point.

Chris used to buy games at one place and then return them at another, to get a slight profit. He also would buy stuff with promo codes, use the codes, then return the item (or something to that effect, it's been a while). Basically stealing and again, unethical and lying no matter how you look at it.

Also, for the record, I really don't give a shit if @Null helps Chris or not. I don't care if he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart or he has ulterior motives (not that I believe he has them). It's Null's life and it's Chris's life, I am just here to watch and sperg about it. But Chris was raised by carny white trash and is still carny white trash, only Chris has the excuse of autism and below-average intelligence. He's not innocent

 

[Marvin]

I know Marvin says Chris doesn't actively lie much but since his 'truth' is so apart from reality it feels like a distinction without a difference when trying to figure out if something he said is accurate.

"it isn't that chris lies, he just has trouble with the truth. two completely different concepts, guys."

There's a very specific reason I say that. It's because you can still recover a bit of the event from the garbled picture Chris gives you. Whereas if it's an actual lie, then there's nothing to recover.

If Chris saw or heard something with his own two earballs, and relays some part of it to you with a stupid, highly inaccurate story, then there's still something real you can fish out of that story.

It's not a matter of anyone wanting something/someone to fail; it's a matter of the reality that it inevitably will.

All you have to do is look at all the other times in the past where people have tried to get through to him - to make him see/understand where he was in the wrong and how to make things right - and what came of it? Absolutely nothing. CWC hasn't changed at all - for the better, anyway.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor and part of me sincerely hopes that you'll be successful where others haven't; but the reality is that you'll only be disappointed.

"matter of the reality that it inevitably will" No dude. That's the thing, a huge chunk of Chris' fuckups in the past decade had troll involvement.

I know all the details of these, and I know that if I start fishing through a particular incident, I'll find some sped pretending to be Clyde Cash orchestrating the whole thing.

And the few examples when it was genuine Chris? I'm right there besides you, laughing at it myself.

Some context people here are missing, is that null isn't helping Chris, per se. All he's doing is deleting troll emails and messages.

This should be cheered by the people who think Chris is an inevitable fuckup, because surely he can do it constantly on his own, right? Surely we won't go years without an incident, this board won't wither and die in the meanwhile, right?

The women he's groped?

Sperglords need to quit saying this shit. This makes it sound like palm-on-tit grabbing. As far as I can remember, I don't think Chris has ever actually grabbed someones tits or ass like that.

Chris is a hugger. That's it. We all know dudes like that who are huggers. Maybe he's got some nefarious purpose in his hugging, like trying to get a chest feel of a girl's nips or something, but we should be precise here: Chris is not groping anyone.

So what the hell makes Chris different from all the other tards we stalk? We sure as hell don't go this far out of our way for fucking Dobson. We're not trying to protect Phil from I HAVE AUTISM PLEASE LAUGH AT ME. And why's that? Because Chris was the "First Love"? That's stupid. The goal of this forum has been just to observe Chris like he's an endangered species, but with all this emphasis on protection and I HAVE AUTISM PLEASE LAUGH AT ME hunting, it makes me shake my head. We wouldn't be in this mess if we had just left him alone in the first place and not escalate things the way we did.

But that's just my stupid little opinion.

People should understand the economics of fucking with Chris.

Chris actually filters out most of the troll emails he gets. Chris' accuracy is like 99%. But the volume is so high, that if Chris gets 1000 troll emails in a year, that's 10 trolls criminals that manage to talk him into sending them thousands of dollars.

Chris is harassed at an industrial scale. And this didn't even stop when he went silent for like 3 years after Bob's death. It abated slightly, but there were still dipshits reading the cwcki, desperate to be the next Clyde Cash, so they kept at it.

Chris is not at fault because he does a damn good job at filtering out the retards. His mental problems bridge the gap where it's entirely unreasonable to shit on Chris for falling for this shit. None of you have been harassed on this scale. None of you have had schemes engineered specifically to match your behavior and interests. For example, one time, trolls catfished Chris over a dating site. Did someone specifically say "hey, check out this girl?" Nope. They just tweaked the quiz answers so that it was inevitable that Chris would match with her.

Chris cannot escape this. A normal person could not escape this. Even if, due to their higher intelligence than Chris, they managed to filter out 10x more trolls, that's still 1 troll that would get through and cajole them into mailing out their life savings.

Nigerian Prince scams work on normal people too, y'know. Not just autists like Chris.

Marvin himself has admitted

The shit that people have claimed I've said could fill a book...

 

[Haramburger]

i'm pretty sure that if a healthcare professional ever did end out taking care of chris, they would be unable to report back here because of laws around protecting clients and patients. so it's best that no kiwi becomes chris' carer.

he does need one though. he has always needed one, really. when barb dies the best thing that can probably happen to him would be for him to be able to move into a group home where he can be supervised and get assistance with basic things that he is simply unable to do.

sometimes some disabled people are jerks. but they're still disabled, they're still people, and they still need some level of basic support because of it.

It's not like VAHC or HearthHospice would actively patrol the CWC subforum to sniff out a HIPAA law violation, or willfully sniff out the employing agency, connect all the dots, etc. unless Chris was getting truly exploited by their caregiver. Honestly @Null would be the first one do it if he felt Chris was being abused, not the internet or public at large. And even if they did, at least he would have had a Christorical period of stewardship and guidance for a few months, that's one less freak-out in public or one more altercation avoided that keeps a potential legal charge off his record because someone was looking out for him for once.

Most kiwis also don't shit where they eat; not all, but most. Honestly an expert from here would be the best candidate even if they stopped posting as a result, and that's a best-case scenario. Maybe they start an alt account or send staff photos or updates that maintain anonymity, but still provide content. Things could happen on a scale, a spectrum. But if it got Chris a long-term helper, that's what he really needs. Hopefully someone local is inspired.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

Is this really such serious business? I agree that the CWC board is irredeemable but nothing about what anyone is doing now is different than ten years ago. Old trolls are as guilty as new ones when the whole cycle is examined.

If the old-timers have had a change of heart, I can respect that. Admitting you were wrong is a hard thing to do. But to a normal person this website is morally unjustifiable to begin with. The line between Chris and other cows is definitely there but it's thinner than many acknowledge. At the same time Chris obviously doesn't deserve the brunt of the antics he deals with.

I don't know. In the event I can't be certain I would side with @Marvin but I don't buy into @Null's belief that this is as different from the other cows on this site as he argues. I might still say "Nuke it" to be done with it, though.

Ten fucking years. I was fourteen or so when Chris was discovered. Maybe younger.

We wouldn't lose much if this board were gone, anyway. But don't mind my moralfagging.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

i'm pretty sure that if a healthcare professional ever did end out taking care of chris, they would be unable to report back here because of laws around protecting clients and patients. so it's best that no kiwi becomes chris' carer.

he does need one though. he has always needed one, really. when barb dies the best thing that can probably happen to him would be for him to be able to move into a group home where he can be supervised and get assistance with basic things that he is simply unable to do.

sometimes some disabled people are jerks. but they're still disabled, they're still people, and they still need some level of basic support because of it.

That is a good point. HIPAA would actually make it so that you couldn't even say that you were Chris's caretaker

 

[skiddlez]

I dunno what the fuck is going on in this thread, you faggots are fucking gay homos if you seriously believe Christine did anything wrong. Only the biggest of faggots ever think kisses from girls are gay. Suck up your gay homo whining and quit being a little bitch.

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Christine did nothing wrong
Fuck you

If Christine doesn't keep up the forceful fun time I hope she goes to jail and dies, because that's what she deserves. I hope Barb dies too. I hope Christine kills Barb and then goes to jail and gets raped repeatedly by prison cock, but then she escapes jail cause she didn't do anything wrong, because Christine killing Barb would be fucking awesome.

Rate me informative or you're a nigger.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

We wouldn't lose much if this board were gone, anyway. But don't mind my moralfagging.

If any lolcow deserves their own board, it's Chris. He's the original and gold standard lolcow. If this board gets nuked, someone else will start one anyway. It really won't change anything

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

If any lolcow deserves their own board, it's Chris. He's the original and gold standard lolcow. If this board gets nuked, someone else will start one anyway. It really won't change anything

I don't really think whether it would change anything in the world is the debate. Just @Null and some kiwis' conscience.

 

[Marvin]

If any lolcow deserves their own board, it's Chris. He's the original and gold standard lolcow. If this board gets nuked, someone else will start one anyway. It really won't change anything

It's not that the board will get nuked, but that it'll be left to rot, without moderation.

 

[The Un-Clit]

I completely disagree. If Null truly cared about his well being, he wouldn't be going around with the banhammer getting rid of anyone who doesn't suck Chris's toes in delight. Again, just look at Geno, or twitter.

This has nothing to do with improving his situation, it's trying to put bubble wrap on the entire world so Chris never has to interact with it, even if it means everyone else on earth be damned. Instead of helping Chris understand reality, he's trying to censor reality to fit Chris's warped perception of it.

Why do you keep referring to Geno? The consensus here is that he is doing a very good and unbiased series on the history of Christory, not a soul from the Farms and especially not Null had anything to do with his shutdown on YouTube.

It was most likely someone on YouTube who got their jimmies rustled at something about the vids (probably the Bluespike parts) and called in the strike.