Interests 6/22 - Chris at Too Many Games convention - Day 2 - Chris has a meltdown, kicked out of con for boundary issues, kissing attendees

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I meant to put it in my last post so if I’m double posting, forgive me. But yeah, he should have been in therapy as soon as he was diagnosed.

 

[gREEEEEEEEEr]

Yes, which was determined, but if you had read the thread before posting you'd know why we had strong suspicions otherwise.

I did read the thread, and yeah. Chris insisted on meeting with some ween, so when Chris got kicked out, you jumped to the conclusion that this ween must've told some kind of lie about Chris to get him in trouble.

Your strong suspicions were not exactly based on rock solid evidence.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Not really..
You just went bonkers, threatening people.
Normal people would have waited for just a slight bit of proof, before literally threatening people and their families (who would have had nothing to do with this).

>Normal people
>Kiwifarms

It is speculation either way. Tooter does the same shit as Chris. He doesn't purposely lie all the time, sometimes he believes he is being truthful, we, the audience, speculate on what is real and what is not.

Yeah. To take this incident: Chris said the only time someone warned him was via FB, which he didn't read until after the "incident." That would be a pretty worthless warning. But there's nothing to gleam there, either he's telling the truth, he's lying, or he's telling what he maybe thinks is the truth but is actually false. Options 2 and 3 are basically impossible to tell apart without climbing inside his brain (no thanks) but either way I would be hard pressed to trust that what he says is true. It's like reading a story with an unreliable narrator; at some point it doesn't matter if he's lying or having trouble with the truth if I can only figure out which it was in retrospect after figuring it out using other evidence.

It's fine for analyzing his thought 'process' but pretty much worthless if I want to know whether what he just said is true.

 

[Marvin]

Not really..

You just went bonkers, threatening people.
Normal people would have waited for just a slight bit of proof, before literally threatening people and their families (who would have had nothing to do with this).

No, you don't need hard proof to begin an investigation. Just enough suspicion to think there's something worth investigating.

Luring Chris somewhere and talking about Clyde Cash to him is plenty suspicion. Consider that recently someone extorted thousands of dollars out of Chris, among other crimes. It's reasonable to be on guard.

And as we've seen since then, null didn't drop the hammer without proof.

Which he has wrought upon himself time

No he hasn't you mong.

We had the man drive several states over to a random house in the ghetto in Cleveland. You have no clue what level of control and manipulation someone can have over Chris if they pull the right strings.

time again despite numerous people trying to "wrangle" Chris and guide him

No one has effectively wrangled Chris. No one has guided him.

But in the end, Chris was Chris and this is what a lot of people forget. Even if Chris had a life coach, that coach would be telling Chris the same thing over and over and over again 24/7 and Chris would STILL be Chris and do what Chris does best. (Namely lolcowing online.)

Heh what.

Chris left the internet for years after Bob died. Why? Because the primary group trolling him disbanded. They were literally the only thing keeping him online.

And why did Chris come back? Because people met him IRL, pretending to date him, to manipulate him into doing dumb shit online. And he stays online now because he's being paid to. That's it. The money.

Stop reading the cwcki so literally autistically, goddamn.

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

It’s not at all uncommon to see people on day 3 of a convention wearing the same clothes as they were on day one. Add to that the idea that a lot of your spergier folks don’t understand the concept of “deodorant”, then pack ‘em all into a cramped exhibition hall with less than adequate ventilation.

Yes, bit of :powerlevel:, but any even mildly experienced con-goer soon learns to spot the 'social-misfit-who-just-doesn't-realise-how-much-he/she-reeks'. I'd also add the risks that new con-goers run, regardless of how clean and fresh they may start the day. Give them a full day, evening and night of events, parties, booze, junk food, more booze and more junk food, they hit an adrenaline high more powerful than meth amphetamine. They tend to spend 24 hours on their feet, eyes like saucers, grinning like horse-collars. They still feel the same way as the new day dawns. It takes older and wiser and more caring hands to draw them discreetly to one side, make them eat some proper fucking food, and get a shower, bath, at least a good wash, then put on at least a clean t-shirt and underwear.

 

[Null]

I did read the thread, and yeah. Chris insisted on meeting with some ween, so when Chris got kicked out, you jumped to the conclusion that this I HAVE AUTISM PLEASE LAUGH AT ME must've told some kind of lie about Chris to get him in trouble.

Your strong suspicions were not exactly based on rock solid evidence.

Considering he went to other cons fine I had no reason to assume Chris's behavior would change, and my warning had the desired effect of flushing this person out into contact with me so I could figure it out. I have no regrets.

 

[Done]

I see an incredible amount of autism in this thread.

Chris fucking up in here does not invalidate the work @Null did and does, so let's take some of the main talking points, one by one:

• "Chris should face consequences for his dastardly acts!": Yeah, what consequences hasn't he faced? He is banned from an astounding amount of malls, shops, nerd gatherings and now cons. He isn't some fugitive hiding from justice for either the Snyder, GameStop or the recent mall thing, he's been in a courthouse for all of them and got fines for all of them (and is waiting on his sentence for the recent arrest). In fact, he's been facing "consequences" for some very benign and innocent acts, like promoting his comics @ UVA (which is how he got noticed in the 1st place @ SA), ranging from ridiculous trolling plots to jerks slashing his tires to downright criminal acts, he's been through the fucking ringer for over 10 years now..
  
• "Stahp Nool, it's too late! Borb already fucked up and Chris cannot be helped!": Sure, you may have a point here, but that doesn't mean that we should idly stand by while people are scamming a literal tard out of his tardbucks, sure, helping Chris isn't compulsory, but messing with those shitheads and helping Chris out is a good act that should be recognized as such, even when it doesn't work out (such as this case). Plus, Michael Hirtes and A-Log are proof that some of the finest lolcows are Chris A-Logs.
  
• "What makes Chris different from other cows that get harassed? So Unfair!": This is probably the only question that has merit IMO, and the answer has already been stated, Chris is part of a small set of cows that are genuinely hapless and can't defend themselves, this isn't DSP or even Phil, who are capable of blocking people, privating accounts or even shutting off their phone, Chris currently relies on his 'fanbase' to sell merch, and this presents a perpetual opportunity for people to fuck with him and sell him oil rights in CWCville and shit..

Agree, at least Chris grew up with both parents, who coddled him. ADF grew up with crippled mother and a daddy sex fetish while being influenced by his older more autistic brother, who was put away for biting and violence. Not to mention being chronically poor while CWC grew up the son of a very well to do decorated engineer. I don't like ADF, but if this were a telethon, Chris would be fucked to say the least.

A lot of people wanted to see a repeat of Magfest, but they got this instead. Magfest worked because Chris was not in charge, which is more evidence he needs a handler.

ADF is a fundamentally different case, Phil clearly could hold a job (he did @ Wawa until he quit of his own volition), also, ADF grew up with parents who already knew how to handle much more severe autism than his own. You can clearly see that in the fact that ADF's lolcowdom began during college, when he was away from his parents.

Also, Phil does enough to generate regular content on his own because his main desire in life is Acceptance and Attention. Chris's motivations are fundamentally different: Chris wants Sustainability, Chris wouldn't give two fucks if the world was being bombed outside his window, so long as he still has LEGO and McDonald's money, this isn't a base state that's conducive to content generation, hence the presence of idiots constantly fucking with him for reactions.

Finally, I don't see how MagFest is relevant here, Chris went there without a handler (other than sitting next to @Marvin for an hour or so). The difference here is:

1. Fucking dumbass Idea Guy filled Chris's head with dumb sexual shit (Polyamory with imaginary characters and bisexuality that probably doesn't exist, like Chris literally used 'gay' as an insult in his stupid Robotnik comic).
2. Chris trying a peck on @Copitz with no objection from the latter and no negative consequences.

Just now growing a conscience regarding Chris after what this board started off as is so insipid I don't even know where to start.

>Less than a month old
>Talks about the board's establishment

 

[GS 281]

And he stays online now because he's being paid to. That's it. The money.

Then how did he get extorted if he is only online for the money?

 

[Deadpool]

So now we shouldn't watch lolcows if they don't want to be watched?

My point wasn't that they're similar, it's that every lolcow has had a less than ideal life. ADF had a fucked up childhood. Far less fucked up than Chris's. Yeah, ADF is a terrible person, but Chris is no saint, either. He is a lazy, coddled manchild who refuses to get off his lazy, coddled ass and confront his own situation to improve his life. How is Chris sympathetic?



If you think $300 for that atrocity is a decent price, I got some stuff I will sell you

I never said we shouldn't watch cows that don't want to be watched. Hell I laugh when Chris fucks up with the rest of you. That doesn't change the fact that I feel bad that the poor guy can't even go a day without screeching retards like Hirtes shrieking at him multiple times a day. Or that their are people who mindfuck him and scam large ammounts of money off of him.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

ADF is a fundamentally different case, Phil clearly could hold a job (he did @ Wawa until he quit of his own volition), also, ADF grew up with parents who already knew how to handle much more severe autism than his own. You can clearly see that in the fact that ADF's lolcowdom began during college, when he was away from his parents.

I completely agree, but I was arguing they should get the same treatment just because the forums were created just to watch. I was comparing them in terms of how people claim Chris is more deserving for certain treatment when they're both a-holes with extensive sob stories.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

• "What makes Chris different from other cows that get harassed? So Unfair!": This is probably the only question that has merit IMO, and the answer has already been stated, Chris is part of a small set of cows that are genuinely hapless and can't defend themselves, this isn't DSP or even Phil, who are capable of blocking people, privating accounts or even shutting off their phone, Chris currently relies on his 'fanbase' to sell merch, and this presents a perpetual opportunity for people to fuck with him and sell him oil rights in CWCville and shit..

ADF is a fundamentally different case, Phil clearly could hold a job (he did @ Wawa until he quit of his own volition), also, ADF grew up with parents who already knew how to handle much more severe autism than his own. You can clearly see that in the fact that ADF's lolcowdom began during college, when he was away from his parents.

Also, Phil does enough to generate regular content on his own because his main desire in life is Acceptance and Attention. Chris's motivations are fundamentally different: Chris wants Sustainability, Chris wouldn't give two fucks if the world was being bombed outside his window, so long as he still has LEGO and McDonald's money, this isn't a base state that's conducive to content generation, hence the presence of idiots constantly fucking with him for reactions.

I agree on your first two points, but you are arguing a point that no one is making. No one is saying ADF and Chris are exactly the same. The point isn't that Chris and ADF are 100% similar, it's that both (and every other lolcow) has had a less than ideal life. Why should we make an exception for Chris? Chris uses his fanbase for toy money when he is physically capable of getting an actual job. There are groups out there that would find work for Chris. There's far more incapable people than Chris that have worked stocking shelves, being a custodian, etc... However, every attempt at finding a job that Chris could actually do has resulted in Chris refusing to do it. He's lazy and refuses to put himself in uncomfortable situations to better himself.

But every single point that people are making that Chris is different could be said for 99% of the lolcows talked about on this site.

I agree that taking advantage of him financially is way too far. That is fucked and deserves to be prosecuted.

 

[zap2theextreme]

Chris needs some kind of social worker checking in on him like every month. Considering he has a support network here and in real life there's never been a better time to get it done.

 

[Canned Bread]

Chris needs some kind of social worker checking in on him like every month. Considering he has a support network here and in real life there's never been a better time to get it done.

He doesn't really have any support network in real life.

 

[Done]

I agree on your first two points, but the point isn't that Chris and ADF are 100% similar, it's that both (and every other lolcow) has had a less than ideal life. Why should we make an exception for Chris? Chris uses his fanbase for toy money when he is physically capable of getting an actual job. There are groups out there that would find work for Chris. There's far more incapable people than Chris that have worked stocking shelves, being a custodian, etc... However, every attempt at finding a job that Chris could actually do has resulted in Chris refusing to do it. He's lazy and refuses to put himself in uncomfortable situations to better himself.

Yeah, but those disabled workers have something that Chris doesn't: A sense of what normal is, Chris's sense of normalcy is completely fucked, he has no perception of how to act in any social situation, nevermind work. Not to mention there's a larger community that's singularly focused on fucking with him, no store-owner is gonna put up with that, no matter how sympathetic. Not to mention that the notion of "get a job" has been thoroughly poisoned in his mind by trolls.

ADF had it far better than Chris ever did, he had a mother who knew how to handle him, eventually had a decent job, however he pissed away that opportunity because of his desire for attention and because he's an asshole.

But every single point that people are making that Chris is different could be said for 99% of the lolcows talked about on this site.

Not every cow is gullible enough to believe that Miyamoto is interested in their shitty Sonic OC, not every cow has legions of s working 24/7 to get him to fuck up and not many cows have the pressing financial need to physically inspect every email they get.

I can think of cows that fill each niche perfectly (Strikerwolf, DSP, and probably, maybe Narcissa Wright? last one is tough), but Chris is part of a very, very select circle of cows that belong in all 3 categories at once, that makes him worthy of special treatment, not to mention this board's unique history with Chris, compared to other cows.

I agree that taking advantage of him financially is way too far. That is fucked and deserves to be prosecuted.

The thing is, it's a slippery slope, s's successes embolden other s to try harder and escalate further.

That's how we got the Bluespike stuff, and I guess that's how we got whatever Nigerian Sonichu Chris fell for.

 

[Rolo_Tomassi]

At least Chris enjoys the classics.....

 

[Marvin]

Then how did he get extorted if he is only online for the money?

That's why Chris is online. It's not an ironclad motivation, but it's the difference between him opening a web browser or not.

Why should we make an exception for Chris?

Chris' notoriety means that a troll attempt will land, if only by the sheer volume of messages coming in.

That's what distinguishes Chris from other lolcows. And in fact, someone tried to scam DSP and we doxed them based on their vagina pics.

There's precedent.

He doesn't really have any support network in real life.

This is true. Chris' IRL support network is retarded and useless.

 

[GS 281]

That's why Chris is online. It's not an ironclad motivation, but it's the difference between him opening a web browser or not.

So while he was online for money obtained by being an endearing childish retard that many of us have become oddly fond of, someone exploited his childish and retarded ways? When you put it that way, sorta feel less sorry for him. It does sorta feel like by him taking part in videos and conferences that while he may make a buck or two, the target on his back grows and I dunno, like something like this is bound to happen again. He isn't known for his listening, comprehension, cognition or social skills.

 

[Marvin]

So while he was online for money obtained by being an endearing childish exceptional individual that many of us have become oddly fond of, someone exploited his childish and exceptional ways? When you put it that way, sorta feel less sorry for him. It does sorta feel like by him taking part in videos and conferences that while he may make a buck or two, the target on his back grows and I dunno, like something like this is bound to happen again. He isn't known for his listening, comprehension, cognition or social skills.

That's like saying because grandma was being greedy wiring money to a nigerian prince, she deserves to lose her life savings.

Edit: Well, and Chris wasn't being greedy here. He was selflessly sacrificing money to save cwcville or some shit. Autistic and insane and fucked up, but selfless.

 

[Fin Saipher]

I actually feel pretty bad for Chris on this one not gonna lie.

I mean, sure you can feel kind of bad for him. But after decades of being told that,that kind of behavior is not ok, he honestly deserves it.

 

[Asperchewy]

Consider that recently someone extorted thousands of dollars out of Chris, among other crimes.

Can someone point me in the direction of this discussion? I remember hearing about this in a thread, but never read up on the conclusion to the story.