Law Justice Anthony Kennedy to retire from Supreme Court

Washington (CNN)Justice Anthony Kennedy, a conservative who provided key votes for same sex-marriage, abortion access and affirmative action, will retire from the Supreme Court.

Kennedy's decision to step down could transform the Supreme Court for generations. President Donald Trump will have his second opportunity to nominate a justice and will likely replace Kennedy with a young, conservative jurist. That would create a bloc of five staunch conservative justices who could move the court further to the right and cement a conservative majority for the foreseeable future.
The nomination battle will likely ignite a firestorm on Capitol Hill as it comes just a year after Republicans changed the rules of the senate in order to push through the nomination of Justice Neil Gorsuch, Trump's first nominee.
This story is breaking and will be updated.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/politics/anthony-kennedy-retires/index.html
 
good compilation from 4chan

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Strolling around Twitter, I see the Clintonista dead enders still whining about how all the Bernie bros and third party voters didn't get behind Hillary and all that. How those people own the results of Trump's electoral triumph.

Eons after Hillary's resounding defeat, the feminists really still don't comprehend what happened--or more importantly, why.

Perhaps if (or more likely when (to my eye) Roe v. Wade is overturned the feminists will understand that their sexist screeching that "we must have a woman president!" was a bad miscalculation.

Not likely--I wouldn't bet on it even--but "perhaps."
 
Trump is managing to do what FDR could never do. Pack the court with his nominees! :story:

Even better, it’s all thanks to Chuck Schumer! No really! Any sane fool would have realized that the Gorsuch appointment was going to happen. It was not a fight worth waging. It was replacing like with like. And it was at a time when McConbell had the power and political will to nuke the filibuster if challenged on it. If Schumer had given token grumbling resistance to Gorsuch, instead of fighting to his last breath, the SCOTUS filibuster would still be in place. McConnell would not now have the strength needed to eliminate it, and the Dems could have tied up the Kennedy replacement for months. Any sane political observer saw Schumer’s folly over a year ago. He dumped all his ammo on a pointless fight that he could not win. So he did not have it for the fight he needed to win. At this pointTrump and McConnell can steamroll in whoever they want before the First Monday in October. All Chuckles and the Dims can do is shriek and howl and cry “save us Jeff Flake! You are our only hope!” Everyone calls trump a moron, but compared to Schumer and Pelosi he’s Einstein.
 
Even better, it’s all thanks to Chuck Schumer! No really! Any sane fool would have realized that the Gorsuch appointment was going to happen. It was not a fight worth waging. It was replacing like with like. And it was at a time when McConbell had the power and political will to nuke the filibuster if challenged on it. If Schumer had given token grumbling resistance to Gorsuch, instead of fighting to his last breath, the SCOTUS filibuster would still be in place. McConnell would not now have the strength needed to eliminate it, and the Dems could have tied up the Kennedy replacement for months. Any sane political observer saw Schumer’s folly over a year ago. He dumped all his ammo on a pointless fight that he could not win. So he did not have it for the fight he needed to win. At this pointTrump and McConnell can steamroll in whoever they want before the First Monday in October. All Chuckles and the Dims can do is shriek and howl and cry “save us Jeff Flake! You are our only hope!” Everyone calls trump a moron, but compared to Schumer and Pelosi he’s Einstein.
That moron seems to be getting his way and undercutting his opponents every step of the way in the process. I cant wait to see how the Intellectual Democrats steal defeat from the jaws of victory this year.
 
That moron seems to be getting his way and undercutting his opponents every step of the way in the process. I cant wait to see how the Intellectual Democrats steal defeat from the jaws of victory this year.

They just Primaried out their #2 House Leadership member and Pelosi heir apparent in favor of a dippy twenty something Hugo Chavez style honest to god Marxist. Complete with classic Communist Style Campaign posters! And the fools on MSNBC are celebrating like this is a good thing for them.
 
Because my state's (Pennsylvania) economic health depends on other states being healthy too.

If other states are doing poorly, there will be less work, less use of electricity, and thus, less demand for electrical power generation, which means, less demand for bituminous coal, our biggest export. (And before you lump me in with backwards hicktopia Kentucky, know this, our number TWO export is medicines and vaccines.......)

If other states' heavy industry is not doing well, there won't be a market for new railroad locomotives, the GE engine works in Erie is a major employer and can't survive just selling to in-state rail lines.

If other states aren't doing well, people won't have the money to invest in private aviation, Cessna and Piper were founded here, we still do a sizable business in light aircraft engines and component parts for them.

Other major exports from here are lead-acid batteries, forklifts and powered machinery, work-truck carbodies, and agricultural equipment, all things that require a healthy industrial base on a national level to have a market to sell to.

THAT'S why I care about how someone 3 time zones away is doing, if they aren't doing well, they can't buy the stuff my neighbors make, and then my neighbors dont' have money to spend at MY business...... it's symbiotic, because there's stuff that "other guy" has that I need in return because I can't get it locally, like pineapple for example? I love pineapple, but good luck growing those in an Appalachian cornfield.

Claiming empathy should stop at state borders for political reasons is a short-sighted and stupid thing to believe when we all need to work together to get max benefit from a capitalist-democratic system. And why the parochial "Only blue coasts matter" democrats are so darn toxic and repulsive, they'd rather starve than have food grown by the "wrong" people or see "bigots" get a paycheck.


Last I checked an American flag, your star is as big as mine.... that's not a put down, that should be inspiring. You say why should I care? Why should I not? They're Americans, same as me, and want the same basic things I do, economic and social stability, a shot at personal happiness when not on the job, and fair and equitable treatment by impartial courts.

Quotes like yours are becoming fewer and farther between, which sucks because it's a great opinion to have that I think most everyone would agree with on those basic principles. Ask any American if they think our healthcare system sucks and most would agree. I bet we'd even come to a great compromise on the solutions for lots of problems if we all kept in mind that reasonable people on both sides generally want the same thing and only disagree on implementation.

This article by AEI cites how Charles Murray's Coming Apart directly addresses the issue I think we're all seeing more and more. Americans used to describe themselves as "Americans" first and foremost across all classes and locations. However, beginning in the 80's, a person's primary way of identifying themselves started to become more and more localized or tribal in nature. The most prominent divide is visibly political, but he came up with this neat little quiz that highlighted how vastly different our experiences are as more and more generations experience consistent growth and wealth that never exposes them to how the other side lives. They live in a bubble and see everyone who doesn't agree with them as entirely alien in nature because they've never experienced anything else except that class's generational culture and wealth that shielded them from needing to interact with anyone who didn't go to the best schools or live in the best gated communities. It just so happens that those bubbles are centered around Boston, LA, San Fran, and New York. All of which are cultural capitals that create media, but don't take anything in, creating that bubble that shields them from realizing just how off the mark they are.

I've even heard co-workers talk about how they got CC permits and bought guns because they were afraid of roving bands of rural Trump supporters going after all the gays. Shit, you're more likely to get stabbed in the gut or shot by one of their precious PoCs in the trendy downtown areas they love to live and work in than feel lightly accosted by a good ole' boy who just gives you the raised eyebrow because he's wondering how to process all the lumbersexuals you see in a big city. And this wasn't even in a huge city, these people could drive 20 minutes in almost any direction and suddenly be in small-town America so it wasn't like they had any excuse, they deliberately shield themselves from understanding.
 
Here are the reasons: Obama was elected twice so clearly republicans had lost their hold on the government and the boomers were dying so the leftist utopia would happen any minute. Twitter, basically amplifying idiot leftist voices who should never have been given that opportunity. The entire platform is trannies and leftists braying and shrieking constantly. To an outsider/normal person, makes it appear as if they are majority and not a fringe minority. Trump getting the nomination and the entire republican nomination process was supposed to further push republicans into irrelevance because of their crazy views and Trump’s horrible personality.

Leftists have been predicting the death of the Republican Party for 10 years now and here we are, they control all branches of the government. Maybe don’t listen to these idiots?

Obama's election was the textbook example to put forth to get people to realize that most don't actually understand how the levers of power and elections work in this country. People and even sadder "experts in the media" put far far too much stock in US Presidential elections as some sort of trendsetter or bellwether of national political will. They aren't. Presidential Elections are mainly popularity contests mixed with a bit of short term up or down voicing of opinion regarding the prior President. They turn on a dime and actually do not ever indicate long term political trends. The Long term trends are seen at the State Level. The Governorships and the control of the Statehouses. With a bit of slower spillover seen in the House and Senate. But the Senate is generally the last indicator of political change.

Consider everything that has happened this article has aged extremely poorly.
"Obama Challenges GOP to 'Win an Election' If They Want New Policies"
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-challenges-gop-win-election-policies/story?id=20593955


When (depending on who you ask) did everything go so right/wrong?

Feels like yesterday these assholes were smug cunts about their "complete lockdown"


This guy is not having a good day fellas
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See what I wrote above. Obama was stupidly taunting the GOP, and astonishingly he never realized exactly what Reince Priebus and the RNC did to him. They followed his instructions to the letter. While Obama was luxuriating on Pennsylvania Ave, the GOP poured all of its resources into the States and localities. For those not in the US, for most of the US History the split of US states between Dem and GOP or whatever the then current historical counterparts were has remained pretty evenly balanced. Generally with neither side ever hitting or exceeding control of 30 states. Which is important, because 2/3's of the States have enormous power if acting in concert. Few realize it, but the US Constitution is an agreement between the States. The States as a collective whole are the owners of the document and that which it sets forth. 2/3's of the States can act to alter the Document without needing the Federal Government to do it. (ok 2/3's to start the process 3/4's to finish it.) It tends to be forgotten because it has never been done, and it has never been possible. Put right now the GOP has primary control of 34 states I believe. Outside of the coasts and the densest urban cities the Dem's couldn't get a Dog Catcher elected. The Left being focused on centralized power (it's a thing with them. It's a core tenet of Socialism. And it is typically the greatest failing of countries that try Socialism. ) they always miss the local levers of power and how critical they are to long term power. They used to know this as Unions and the working class blue collar populace was a core constituency. But as the Dem's abandoned the "deplorables" they abandoned that most critical of political understandings. As they say all politics is local. The saying doesn't quite mean what everyone thinks it means.

Trump has some kind of reality-manipulating powers. Not in a science fiction sense, but more sheer force of will combined with luck, but a lot of the luck coming from an ability to see systems in the world and make them work in your favor. This particular instance is probably just luck, but there are some people in the world for whom things just seem to go right for, and they seem to get what they want all the time. Usually it comes from really deep knowledge of a specific area and good intuition, though intuition itself is based on correctly acting on things you might not really understand, and some people are clearly better at it. Trump is one of these people but on an unusually grand scale. He also has no problem going after what he wants even when everyone else says it's stupid or you can't do that. That certainly helps.
I don't know if he is really a genius transdimensional polo master but I don't think he is an idiot, and I think he understands trends and things in society that other people don't. It struck me when I found out he'd registered the MAGA slogan several years before running for office. He'd been talking about running for office for years and never really did it. He's in the right place at the right time, but he also knew it was the right place and time. He has the right combination of qualities to make these implausible things keep happening.

Trump is a largely self made Billionaire and skilled business executive. (yes yes he got money from Daddy, its how he used it that is important here). One of the truest things you learn from watching the self made wealthy. The true entrepreneurs, be it Trump or Gates or Steve Jobs or Bezos etc is they develop and are extremely good at certain types of management skills that politicians never learn. They learn to reduce problems and goals to their most absolute simplest terms and their simplest core. They straighten the curves if you will. One skill that they all have is an amazingly effective way of solving problems. You make them somebody elses, then incentive the other person to solve them. Being extremely generous both with the carrots and the sticks. Note Trumps approach to North Korea to see this sort of thing in action. These approaches completely confound the Political Leadership and the chattering classes in the media. None of whom have ever worked an honest day in their lives, and none of whom have ever met a problem that they didn't seek to seduce, keep around and milk for benefits rather than simply solving it. The barriers to most problems is a lack of incentive for people to solve them. They just subsidize them instead. Whereas Trump by nature is a problem solver. That's what he gets his rocks off on. The challenge. The negotiation. The results.

Because my state's (Pennsylvania) economic health depends on other states being healthy too.

If other states are doing poorly, there will be less work, less use of electricity, and thus, less demand for electrical power generation, which means, less demand for bituminous coal, our biggest export. (And before you lump me in with backwards hicktopia Kentucky, know this, our number TWO export is medicines and vaccines.......)

If other states' heavy industry is not doing well, there won't be a market for new railroad locomotives, the GE engine works in Erie is a major employer and can't survive just selling to in-state rail lines.

If other states aren't doing well, people won't have the money to invest in private aviation, Cessna and Piper were founded here, we still do a sizable business in light aircraft engines and component parts for them.

Other major exports from here are lead-acid batteries, forklifts and powered machinery, work-truck carbodies, and agricultural equipment, all things that require a healthy industrial base on a national level to have a market to sell to.

THAT'S why I care about how someone 3 time zones away is doing, if they aren't doing well, they can't buy the stuff my neighbors make, and then my neighbors dont' have money to spend at MY business...... it's symbiotic, because there's stuff that "other guy" has that I need in return because I can't get it locally, like pineapple for example? I love pineapple, but good luck growing those in an Appalachian cornfield.

Claiming empathy should stop at state borders for political reasons is a short-sighted and stupid thing to believe when we all need to work together to get max benefit from a capitalist-democratic system. And why the parochial "Only blue coasts matter" democrats are so darn toxic and repulsive, they'd rather starve than have food grown by the "wrong" people or see "bigots" get a paycheck.


Last I checked an American flag, your star is as big as mine.... that's not a put down, that should be inspiring. You say why should I care? Why should I not? They're Americans, same as me, and want the same basic things I do, economic and social stability, a shot at personal happiness when not on the job, and fair and equitable treatment by impartial courts.

Extremely well said. Thank you for that. Sadly it is something rarely understood anymore.
 

He's 81 years old. Maybe he just wants to spend time with his family and enjoy what years he has left? Maybe he hasn't been feeling well or his doctor said "Anthony, it might be time to consider retiring."

Do these nitwits realise that they are blaming an octogenarian for retiring? He's been on the Supreme Court since 1988. He went into law practice after graduating from Harvard Law in 1961. He also took over his father's practice after his death. That's a really long career kiddies. He's not LITERALLY murdering you by retiring.

I can't say I'm excited about who Trump will put in there. But I also don't see any apocalyptic disaster on the horizon because of it. I'd hate to see certain things overturned. But at the same time these idiots are acting like they're all going to die now.
 
He's 81 years old. Maybe he just wants to spend time with his family and enjoy what years he has left? Maybe he hasn't been feeling well or his doctor said "Anthony, it might be time to consider retiring."

Do these nitwits realise that they are blaming an octogenarian for retiring? He's been on the Supreme Court since 1988. He went into law practice after graduating from Harvard Law in 1961. He also took over his father's practice after his death. That's a really long career kiddies. He's not LITERALLY murdering you by retiring.

I can't say I'm excited about who Trump will put in there. But I also don't see any apocalyptic disaster on the horizon because of it. I'd hate to see certain things overturned. But at the same time these idiots are acting like they're all going to die now.

Kennedy has been talking about retiring for years. He long ago made it clear that he did not feel that SCOTUS was or should be a "job for life", that one should die on the bench. He has long been a proponent for leaving gracefully. It just took him awhile to find his moment. I think he had planned to retire last year, but gave it one more year to get a feel for Trump. Gorsuch's appointment made him more comfortable retiring now.
 
Trump has some kind of reality-manipulating powers. Not in a science fiction sense, but more sheer force of will combined with luck, but a lot of the luck coming from an ability to see systems in the world and make them work in your favor. This particular instance is probably just luck, but there are some people in the world for whom things just seem to go right for, and they seem to get what they want all the time. Usually it comes from really deep knowledge of a specific area and good intuition, though intuition itself is based on correctly acting on things you might not really understand, and some people are clearly better at it. Trump is one of these people but on an unusually grand scale. He also has no problem going after what he wants even when everyone else says it's stupid or you can't do that. That certainly helps.
I don't know if he is really a genius transdimensional polo master but I don't think he is an idiot, and I think he understands trends and things in society that other people don't. It struck me when I found out he'd registered the MAGA slogan several years before running for office. He'd been talking about running for office for years and never really did it. He's in the right place at the right time, but he also knew it was the right place and time. He has the right combination of qualities to make these implausible things keep happening.
That was Steve Jobs in spades.
Because my state's (Pennsylvania) economic health depends on other states being healthy too.

If other states are doing poorly, there will be less work, less use of electricity, and thus, less demand for electrical power generation, which means, less demand for bituminous coal, our biggest export. (And before you lump me in with backwards hicktopia Kentucky, know this, our number TWO export is medicines and vaccines.......)

If other states' heavy industry is not doing well, there won't be a market for new railroad locomotives, the GE engine works in Erie is a major employer and can't survive just selling to in-state rail lines.

If other states aren't doing well, people won't have the money to invest in private aviation, Cessna and Piper were founded here, we still do a sizable business in light aircraft engines and component parts for them.

Other major exports from here are lead-acid batteries, forklifts and powered machinery, work-truck carbodies, and agricultural equipment, all things that require a healthy industrial base on a national level to have a market to sell to.

THAT'S why I care about how someone 3 time zones away is doing, if they aren't doing well, they can't buy the stuff my neighbors make, and then my neighbors dont' have money to spend at MY business...... it's symbiotic, because there's stuff that "other guy" has that I need in return because I can't get it locally, like pineapple for example? I love pineapple, but good luck growing those in an Appalachian cornfield.

Claiming empathy should stop at state borders for political reasons is a short-sighted and stupid thing to believe when we all need to work together to get max benefit from a capitalist-democratic system. And why the parochial "Only blue coasts matter" democrats are so darn toxic and repulsive, they'd rather starve than have food grown by the "wrong" people or see "bigots" get a paycheck.


Last I checked an American flag, your star is as big as mine.... that's not a put down, that should be inspiring. You say why should I care? Why should I not? They're Americans, same as me, and want the same basic things I do, economic and social stability, a shot at personal happiness when not on the job, and fair and equitable treatment by impartial courts.
I feel that people closest to a problem are the ones best qualified to make decisions on it.

And I feel it's perfectly fine for neighboring states to take different approaches on the same problem, and let the most effective one win out.

I think part of the reason is that I'm from Maryland. Compared to a lot of states, Maryland gives counties a lot of home rule. Counties are pretty independent from each other and can pass all sorts of goofy laws without bothering each other.

Which is helpful because the state is very diverse (and not just in the sjw way). Western Maryland is Appalachia. The DC area counties are what political types imagine when they think of Maryland, hyper-blue, sjw. (Although they're nice in their own way.) The eastern shore is chicken farms, fishermen and beaches. (Very nice beaches, Ocean City, MD is far superior to Rehoboth.) And there's lots of wooded areas and farmland in the center.

I grew up in a rural part of central Maryland but I've lived all over the state. It left a big impression on me that what works in Frederick does not work in Baltimore. And Bethesda will require a completely different solution from either of them.

And that's just across one state. I couldn't imagine dictating what people in another part of the US do.

The separation in politics helps stave off resentment. I'll go up to rural PA, and I'll see a big sign that says "this is raven's country", and my PA friends tell me that it's because central PA people hate the shit out of Philly and Pittsburgh because they drag their politics all over the place.

There's a time and a place for large scale decisions, of course. I'm not arguing there isn't. And when they are necessary (like important constitutional issues, or national defense, or maybe vague, national economic goals), the federal government should have the ability to drop the fucking hammer.

But I lean more towards more local politics.

Heh, also, ironically I find that people are the same all over the state though. Urban rednecks in the Baltimore area can transplant themselves to redneck areas all over the state and blend in without much difficulty, and vice versa.
However, beginning in the 80's, a person's primary way of identifying themselves started to become more and more localized or tribal in nature. The most prominent divide is visibly political, but he came up with this neat little quiz that highlighted how vastly different our experiences are as more and more generations experience consistent growth and wealth that never exposes them to how the other side lives.
Heh, the question about mass market beer amused me. Also the question about long distance bus ride.

I make extensive use of greyhound and amtrak (went cross country once, in coach, 4 days each way). Bolt bus is neat, but not widely available.
I've even heard co-workers talk about how they got CC permits and bought guns because they were afraid of roving bands of rural Trump supporters going after all the gays. Shit, you're more likely to get stabbed in the gut or shot by one of their precious PoCs in the trendy downtown areas they love to live and work in than feel lightly accosted by a good ole' boy who just gives you the raised eyebrow because he's wondering how to process all the lumbersexuals you see in a big city. And this wasn't even in a huge city, these people could drive 20 minutes in almost any direction and suddenly be in small-town America so it wasn't like they had any excuse, they deliberately shield themselves from understanding.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/
 
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I don't... What? Since when is 2018 an election year? I realize that they're trying to rally up and attack McConnell for that time he blocked the appointment of a new Supreme Court Justice, but McConnell was arguing that voters should determine who nominates the next the Supreme Court Justice, which is the president. He was trying to hold off the appointment until we knew who the next President was going to be.

It made sense in that situation. It doesn't really make sense, here.
 
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I don't... What? Since when is 2018 an election year? I realize that they're trying to rally up and attack McConnell for that time he blocked the appointment of a new Supreme Court Justice, but McConnell was arguing that voters should determine who nominates the next the Supreme Court Justice, which is the president. He was trying to hold off the appointment until we knew who the next President was going to be.

It made sense in that situation. It doesn't really make sense, here.
Back in the day, in the time before time, say, 5 years ago or less, SCOTUS judges were generally unanimously voted in if they were qualified (aside from the Bork shittery). Politics didn't come into it really.

But in the modern, post 2016 world, you have to behave like a petulant child.
 
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I don't... What? Since when is 2018 an election year? I realize that they're trying to rally up and attack McConnell for that time he blocked the appointment of a new Supreme Court Justice, but McConnell was arguing that voters should determine who nominates the next the Supreme Court Justice, which is the president. He was trying to hold off the appointment until we knew who the next President was going to be.

It made sense in that situation. It doesn't really make sense, here.
I can see where they’re coming from, as what he did in 2016 was kinda a dick move (to keep a SCOTUS seat open for over a year just so the Prez doesn’t get to fill it). Too bad in 2018 the Republicans are likely to gain seats in the Senate so it won’t matter anyway. Which if they were to block it, it would be even funnier when after November they vote whoever they were going to vote in anyway
 
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You know, these upset liberals are doing the wrong thing in their path to victory. You don't call them Nazi's, or punch them down as if they are the dying minority. And you sure as hell don't call for the end of the world whenever things don't go their way. You have to make them complacent, make them not care to the point they don't act, make them feel secure. They should have played the same card that killed them in 2016, and be the real silent majority. If they are claiming that stay-at-home voters are their enemy, they should be encourage their politically opposing voters to become stay-at-home voters. Instead of blaming the moderates of people who don't give a shit, you push for more people from the republican party to be moderates.

Their attitude against moderates and non-voters are incredibly toxic, when in reality you should be utilizing them to the best of abilities; If they are a lost cause for your cause, make them a lost cause for the other side. At least ignore the non-voters, because anyone who gets hurt by you will act against you.
 
Their attitude against moderates and non-voters are incredibly toxic, when in reality you should be utilizing them to the best of abilities; If they are a lost cause for your cause, make them a lost cause for the other side. At least ignore the non-voters, because anyone who gets hurt by you will act against you.

Other people have said this before, but the problem here is the classic tragedy of the commons: the left as a whole would be better off if they just chilled the fuck out, but each individual within the left is set to lose status if they unilaterally try to de-escalate. Purity spirals turn cannibalistic is nothing stops them, and, well...
 
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