The Deception of Makeup - Trannies excluded, they need all the help they can get

[eldri]

It's a topic I discussed quite briefly in real life due to the negative reaction I received. But it remains a topic of internal debate because of said reaction.

The reliance on makeup by either sex is eerie to me, especially given this political climate with body acceptance. With how it's marketed and valued today (at least in the US), makeup, I find, is deceptive. Occassionally, I will view the trending page on Youtube just to gawk at the thumbnails of popular videos people are entertained by and, nearly everytime, one of the trending videos is a woman/man plastering herself/himself with makeup. The change between the before and after shots is drastic and disturbing I find. More examples are the before and after makeup shots of pornstars that were released a few years ago.

In addition, I'm reminded of Kendrick Lamar's single Humble. There is a line in which he describes his tiredness of the use of photoshop and makeup to cover blemishes, stretchmarks, and etc. While I thought this statement was tame but valid, some women did not think so and lambasted him.

Personally, when I briefly lived in a frat house (just rented and not part of the frat), I witnessed the droves of effort women placed into using makeup to attract. I say this with uncertainty though and would like further elaboration on the reasoning for heavy makeup use and the hostility towards criticism of its use.

My gut tells me its deliberate deception in order to attract whatever mate, but I am open to change.
Side note: A more male equivalent is facial hair used to hide the lack of chin, the roundness of the head's shape, or appear more masculine.

Edit: I guess I'm not woke.

 

[triangleboy]

I have 0 issue with makeup/photoshopping as a whole to make things stand out better (or just because you enjoy it), but I do think it's sad that people feel that they have to rely on it to look "good".

I actually think a lot of people look better without the massive amounts of caked-on makeup. Too much can actually just look bizarre, almost uncanny valley-ish. Of course, again, if they enjoy doing it, then all the more power to them I say!

 

[Inklings]

People have used some form of makeup since pretty much forever. People just typically want to look their best when it counts. Even guys use makeup for things like during filming.

 

[eldri]

I have 0 issue with makeup/photoshopping as a whole to make things stand out better (or just because you enjoy it), but I do think it's sad that people feel that they have to rely on it to look "good".

I actually think a lot of people look better without the massive amounts of caked-on makeup. Too much can actually just look bizarre, almost uncanny valley-ish. Of course, again, if they enjoy doing it, then all the more power to them I say!

Could a connection be made to pornography in terms of setting disillusioned standards? People constantly criticize the majority of porn for its unrealistic depiction of sex.

 

[triangleboy]

Could a connection be made to pornography in terms of setting disillusioned standards? People constantly criticize the majority of porn for its unrealistic depiction of sex.

Possibly. I'm sure there are a lot of dudes that have never seen a woman in their lives that flip the fuck out when they learn womens' faces actually have texture to them when they aren't shooped to high heaven.

 

[Inklings]

Could a connection be made to pornography in terms of setting disillusioned standards? People constantly criticize the majority of porn for its unrealistic depiction of sex.

Nothing you see in media is like real life since real life is fairly mundane and boring and not what people want to see.

 

[Daughter of Cernunnos]

Only deceptive if you're a face blind autist.

 

[eldri]

Listen, if you get your ass messed up with photoshop, then don't consider yourself a genius. fuck, anyone can do that shit, me included. infact, if you have a picture of a cow shopped to have large glutes. contact me.

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[The Fifth Waltz]

That lyric is from Humble by Kendrick Lamar.

 

[eldri]

Nothing you see in media is like real life since real life is fairly mundane and boring and not what people want to see.

Real life is pretty hilarious and entertaining. Why do you think I am on the farms?

 

[Inklings]

I mean a typical person's day to day life not the internet.

 

[eldri]

That lyric is from Humble by Kendrick Lamar.

I'll take pride in that error as it proves I am not a white guy who feels woke after listening to Kendrick Lamar.

 

[AnOminous]

Just to come up with a gender neutral example, if you ever show up on national TV, where there are bright lights and every flaw on your face is going to be broadcast to millions, if you don't let their makeup person fix you up, you're going to look like absolute shit compared to everyone else.

If anything, not getting the makeup done is going to be deceptive, because you're going to look like a complete piece of shit compared to everyone else who has.

Everyone does "makeup" in one way or another.

 

[Fagatron 69]

Could a connection be made to pornography in terms of setting disillusioned standards? People constantly criticize the majority of porn for its unrealistic depiction of sex.

No, Socrates, people have worn makeup even when it was radioactive and literally killed them. It's no different then wearing nice clothes or working out or bathing. People make a lot of efforts to appear more attractive not just to the opposite sex but just in general.

 

[AnOminous]

You used to be able to divorce your wife if she used make-up. Theologically and sacramentally, I do not find it right or just, but it is something that was done at some point in time.

And. . .umm. . .you can currently divorce your wife just because you don't like her that much any more. Your point?

 

[eldri]

Just to come up with a gender neutral example, if you ever show up on national TV, where there are bright lights and every flaw on your face is going to be broadcast to millions, if you don't let their makeup person fix you up, you're going to look like absolute shit compared to everyone else.

If anything, not getting the makeup done is going to be deceptive, because you're going to look like a complete piece of shit compared to everyone else who has.

Everyone does "makeup" in one way or another.

While I agree makeup is necessary in your example, what about a more typical use?
From the ratings, this is a contentious issue with users and the replies suggest the topic is rather a simple and requires no discussion. However, if people are nonchalant with makeup, why are there such massive outcries for events like The Haggening?

 

[Red Hood]

Makeup is fine. If it's good enough it can even take the man imbibing alcohol out of the equation of getting laid.

 

[eldri]

No, Socrates, people have worn makeup even when it was radioactive and literally killed them. It's no different then wearing nice clothes or working out or bathing. People make a lot of efforts to appear more attractive not just to the opposite sex but just in general.

"People wore makeup even when it was deadly". What is the argument there?
Bathing is more a necessity in modern living despite efforts by cows. The physique created by working out is longlasting. And clothes are more an accessory to one's body rather than explicit, artificial changes to the human body.

 

[Fagatron 69]

"People wore makeup even when it was deadly". What is the argument there?

You suggested that hot porn vids were responsible for women wearing makeup and I pointed out that the argument was ridiculous because women have worn it since forever.

Bathing is more a necessity in modern living despite efforts by cows.

Why? We bathe so that we look and smell better, there's really no other reason.

The physique created by working out is longlasting.

Wrong. The physique lasts as long as you maintain it just like makeup. When you stop working out the attractive body fades because it isn't natural, seems like lying to me.

And clothes are more an accessory to one's body rather than explicit, artificial changes to the human body.

I actually agree with you here, clothes are an accessory just like makeup. I'm glad you understand the point I was trying to make.

 

[eldri]

You suggested that hot porn vids were responsible for women wearing makeup and I pointed out that the argument was ridiculous because women have worn it since forever.

When I asked if there was connection to porn, I meant in similarities of creating unrealistic standards. I didn't mean if one was responsible for the other.

Wrong. The physique lasts as long as you maintain it just like makeup. When you stop working out the attractive body fades because it isn't natural, seems like lying to me.

The physique point is interesting but, once that physique is earned, it can be maintained. With makeup, it is constant reapplication. In addition, with makeup, it is removed presumably at the end of the day. That doesn't happen with muscles. It takes days and days of stagnation to lose noticeable muscle mass. Relatively speaking, muscle mass is much more longlasting than makeup