UN Former Aum Shinrikyo leader executed - Also, six other perpetrators of 1995 Tokyo subway sarin attack
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Honorable suicide on your own terms is considered a way to atone that let's you die with dignity.
Keeping you alive to live in shame then killing you like a criminal years later is the Japanese legal equivalent of stripping you of all your dignity before robbing you of dying on your own terms.
And considering the shit he and his cultists pulled, good, fuck him.
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Every 1st world country has a "shit" justice system. It's the nature of the beast. From the outside, America has a terrible justice system and I wouldn't feel safe going there. Everyone's going to have a different perspective on what "justice" truly is and how it should proceed.
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I guess, but at least I'm white and can afford a lawyer. That gives me a bit of leeway in common law countries. I've had friends busted by the federales down in Mexico for buying juice from the local pharmacy and we had to pool our cash to bribe the officials to get them out.
Japan is insane, you can't even bribe your way out of jail. You have no rights in Japan once you get busted, so fuck that noise. They can hold you almost indefinitely without charges in the land of the rising sun.
Edit: that being said, I still would much rather get arrested in a first world country.
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LOL, they Timothy McVeigh'd the fat ass. Good riddance, motherfucker.
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I was just listening to a podcast about him today. That's wild.
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The best thing about this is the death by hanging. Because that's considered the most humiliating way to be executed.
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I would figure death by dragon dildo rape would be more humiliating. But then again he's Japanese, so that's probably in his top ten ways to go.
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Japan is a First World country while Mexico is Second/borderline Third World doe. Unless you mean common law countries, it's comparing potatoes to chickens.
Still, it's easier not to break the law.
It wasn't worth the electricity or lethal injection agent to kill this fucker after getting three square meals a day at taxpayer's expense for years.
It was probably initiation procedure into his cult.
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TFW Japan has more balls than America.
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Thank fucking god. This guy was an absolute fucking monster. He was basically the Japanese version of Jim Jones, only his tactics were even more brutal and he had access to a shit-ton of artillery and chemical weapons. His attacks could've killed thousands more and could've easily exceeded the number of casualties of 9/11. It is a fucking miracle that they didn't and I hope he rots in hell with the rest of his cronies.
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Same thing, appeals, appeals, and more appeals. But it's a bit worse here because a lot of those appeals are politically motivated as anti-DP maneuvering, not caring about the guilt or innocence of the accused or the behavior of the prosecutors, but rather using those issues as a facade of justification to delay the process and frustrate the state to the point they will just give up.
To my knowledge, nobody in Japan is really against state executions, I don't recall a peep about there being protests over this, you can probably chalk that up to Japan's good ol cultural conformity-above-all-else.
To my knowledge, nobody in Japan is really against state executions, I don't recall a peep about there being protests over this, you can probably chalk that up to Japan's good ol cultural conformity-above-all-else.
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With all seriousness, though, good riddance. Aum Shinrikyo didn't just stop at chemical weaponry, they also had a (questionably successful) nuclear program. It just goes to show that leaving these sort of things unchecked is a bad idea.
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Japan has a weird fascination with order that may seem odd from our point of view, but it makes sense when you consider it from theirs.
Society in Japan had been a mix of feudalistic, monarchistic, some degree of theocratic, with a nice dose of Neo-Confucianism added as additional welding.
The result has been even during the most lawless periods of Japan even the criminals would band together because even they craved some form of structure.
From the Meiji Restoration onward, they simply applied this concept to a constitutional government, and all that did was apply a consistent legal code uniformally that reinforced the same principles, and the whole point of their society is that even their boat rockers like criminals show some degree of conformity regardless.
In this respect, for fans of the Yakuza series, they are quite accurate in showing even the yakuza in large part will agree to comply with the state to a considerable degree because this cultural value of conformity is just that ingrained in the national psyche.
tl;dr: Japanese society, even it's most rebellious elements, craves structure, and will choose some form of conforming to order if forced to choose between that or no societal structure at all.
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Had no idea these two things were related, that's quite amazing.Asahara will forever be imortalized by this meme from an animu about him:
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According to this article, their executions failed to deliver justice:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/07/japan-aum-cult-executions-fails-to-deliver-justice/
Japan: Executions of seven Aum cult members fails to deliver justice
6 July 2018, 11:19 UTC
The executions in Japan of seven members of the religious cult Aum Shinrikyo (Aum) on Friday, including the group’s “guru”, Chizuo Matsumoto, does not deliver justice, Amnesty International said.
"Justice demands accountability but also respect for everyone’s human rights. The death penalty can never deliver this as it is the ultimate denial of human rights."
--Hiroka Shoji, East Asia Researcher at Amnesty International.
The executions are the first among the 13 people convicted and sentenced to death for their roles in the deadly 1995 sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway and other illegal activities. The subway attack killed 13 people and left thousands more suffering the effects of the nerve gas.
“Today’s executions are unprecedented in recent memory for Japan. The attacks carried out by Aum were despicable and those responsible deserve to be punished. However, the death penalty is never the answer,” said Hiroka Shoji, East Asia Researcher at Amnesty International.
“Justice demands accountability but also respect for everyone’s human rights. The death penalty can never deliver this as it is the ultimate denial of human rights.”
The seven people executed in the early hours of Friday morning were: Chizuo Matsumoto, Tomomasa Nakagawa, Tomomitsu Niimi, Kiyohide Hayakawa, Yoshihiro Inoue, Seiichi Endo and Masami Tsuchiya. The executions were carried out at detention centres across Japan. Some of those hanged may have had requests for a retrial pending.
In March, Japan again rejected recommendations to reform the country’s death penalty system. The recommendations were put forward by other states as part of a formal review of Japan’s human rights record at the United Nations.
“Instead of repeating the claim that executions are unavoidable because the public demands it, the Japanese government needs to step up and show leadership on human rights,” said Hiroka Shoji.
Amnesty International opposes the death penalty in all cases without exception regardless of the nature of the crime, the characteristics of the offender or the method used by the state to carry out the execution and has been campaigning for abolition of the death penalty for over 40 years.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/07/japan-aum-cult-executions-fails-to-deliver-justice/
Japan: Executions of seven Aum cult members fails to deliver justice
6 July 2018, 11:19 UTC
The executions in Japan of seven members of the religious cult Aum Shinrikyo (Aum) on Friday, including the group’s “guru”, Chizuo Matsumoto, does not deliver justice, Amnesty International said.
"Justice demands accountability but also respect for everyone’s human rights. The death penalty can never deliver this as it is the ultimate denial of human rights."
--Hiroka Shoji, East Asia Researcher at Amnesty International.
The executions are the first among the 13 people convicted and sentenced to death for their roles in the deadly 1995 sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway and other illegal activities. The subway attack killed 13 people and left thousands more suffering the effects of the nerve gas.
“Today’s executions are unprecedented in recent memory for Japan. The attacks carried out by Aum were despicable and those responsible deserve to be punished. However, the death penalty is never the answer,” said Hiroka Shoji, East Asia Researcher at Amnesty International.
“Justice demands accountability but also respect for everyone’s human rights. The death penalty can never deliver this as it is the ultimate denial of human rights.”
The seven people executed in the early hours of Friday morning were: Chizuo Matsumoto, Tomomasa Nakagawa, Tomomitsu Niimi, Kiyohide Hayakawa, Yoshihiro Inoue, Seiichi Endo and Masami Tsuchiya. The executions were carried out at detention centres across Japan. Some of those hanged may have had requests for a retrial pending.
In March, Japan again rejected recommendations to reform the country’s death penalty system. The recommendations were put forward by other states as part of a formal review of Japan’s human rights record at the United Nations.
“Instead of repeating the claim that executions are unavoidable because the public demands it, the Japanese government needs to step up and show leadership on human rights,” said Hiroka Shoji.
Amnesty International opposes the death penalty in all cases without exception regardless of the nature of the crime, the characteristics of the offender or the method used by the state to carry out the execution and has been campaigning for abolition of the death penalty for over 40 years.
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Japanese culture just seems perfect for cults. Heck, half the corporations over there are cults.
Japan's legal system is incredibly dysfunctional. The police have tonnes of power and little oversight and can basically interrogate you forever until you confess to whatever you're accused of. Doesn't help that the culture is a collective one that pushes people to submit to authority and conform.
Japan's legal system is incredibly dysfunctional. The police have tonnes of power and little oversight and can basically interrogate you forever until you confess to whatever you're accused of. Doesn't help that the culture is a collective one that pushes people to submit to authority and conform.
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after reading murakami's underground you really get a sense of the misery inflicted on many of those filed under the "injured" statistic. they may have lived, but, the quality of life definitely varies. some of those stories are heartbreaking.
anyways, execution by hanging is a fitting end for him. a little too dignified even.
anyways, execution by hanging is a fitting end for him. a little too dignified even.
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I disagree with this position because those executed denied their victims their rights to life, what right do they have to theirs if they can't respect the rights of others.
A world where no one is killed, legally or not, would be ideal, but this is not an ideal world, and if we must have legalized killed, it should be done to those who wrongfully kill as a consequence of committing wrongful death.
Not really. Death by hanging is considered a death worthy of a criminal, especially if state sanctioned.
While Japanese culture is rather tolerant of suicide if you choose to die by hara-kiri or some other rather metal way to end your own existence, especially if the intent is to atone for personal shame, it's otherwise viewed as pathetic to die by the hand of another, and if the state is the one to end your life, it's basically going to the grave in shame in their cultural context.